Uncle Ben
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Most likely 'yes', induced by bloom foods. Fess up, what plant food have they been getting, how much, and at what frequency? What is the element values of your foods? I don't see any evidence of Mn deficiency.
UB
Why do the leaves keep turning yellow and then dry up?
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Uncle Ben
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You need to get off that "since it's for vegging" stuff. You give a plant what it needs to promote and maintain green healthy leaves. If that means giving them a 30-10-10 during the entire flowering period, then that's what you need to do. You've allowed yourself to be brainwashed into this veg versus bloom foods thing. That's a marketing ploy. You want a correct answer? Then get some Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro, 9-3-6, and foliar spray at NO more than 1/2 tsp/gallon with a surfactant. You MUST use a surfactant for this spray to be effective. You can buy one at a feed store or perhaps Casa dePOT. If you don't have one, use 1 tsp./gallon of Ivory liquid dish soap in the mix. At the same time drench the pot well with the 9-3-6 (or any high N food like a 30-10-10, 13-0-0) at a rate of 1/2 tsp/gallon, as long as there is not a lot of residuals salts still in the potting soil. Might wanna flush the pot first with plain water and then fertilize.
You don't have a Mn deficiency, that is a mis-diagnosis. The photo shown by "slew" (not yours) just looks like a shitty grown plant to me that's been burnt up with too much salts. Pretty common with newbies. They always seem to push their plants into a state of decline.
Warning, you use that 1-4-5 and your plants' leaves surely will be toast. Plants flower based on LEAVES, not Botanicare's or this forum's hype about using a "bloom" food. In reality, it's not a 'bloom' food as it will induce premature leaf drop.
https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/158144-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-bloom.html
Good luck,
UB
kinddiesel
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ill get into this conversation , chee and chung style, with out getting to technical , ill explain plants, ( health plant good, no health plant bad ) hope this helps,
lilroach
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During the very last week of my Lemon Kush and Blue Hash, I brain-farted and starting using some high-phosphorous nutrients which also was void of N.
While the "boost" in P really didn't do anything, the lacking of N has since become apparent. While both the BH and LK has become good weed, there's no smell. At the time I noticed the strong odors from both had diminished during the same time I was not giving the plants any N.
I didn't put two-and-two together until curing where both strains seemingly cured correctly.....but no sweet smell.
I also found that the current plants in 12/12 didn't start really stinking until I gave them Jack's Classic. My conclusion is that while plants need more Phosphorus during flower, it also needs N if I want nice smelling weed.
While the "boost" in P really didn't do anything, the lacking of N has since become apparent. While both the BH and LK has become good weed, there's no smell. At the time I noticed the strong odors from both had diminished during the same time I was not giving the plants any N.
I didn't put two-and-two together until curing where both strains seemingly cured correctly.....but no sweet smell.
I also found that the current plants in 12/12 didn't start really stinking until I gave them Jack's Classic. My conclusion is that while plants need more Phosphorus during flower, it also needs N if I want nice smelling weed.
Uncle Ben
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The ONLY food you listed that may fix the N deficiency is highlighted in bold. You're just exacerbating the problem with the others by adding what they don't need now, more K and P. Look up the concept of Nutrient Antagonism. N should be quite a bit higher, in fact, if they were mine, I'd be hitting them with a little UAN - 33-0-0. Can buy it at a feed store.
UB
SxIstew
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He had 2 threads i had seen an Mn deficiency on the other and posted the same info here. (you'll notice the picture i posted along with what i said. that's one of his plants as well.Most likely 'yes', induced by bloom foods. Fess up, what plant food have they been getting, how much, and at what frequency? What is the element values of your foods? I don't see any evidence of Mn deficiency.
UB
HOWEVER i corrected myself for this plant and requested he use some grow nutes to pull her back in line.
SxIstew
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Stop shooting peoples advise down because you don't use certain products yourself.
And If THAT is the only thing that works(according to you) then explain something to me..
How have i never used it, had nitrogen problems in the past, and corrected them with OTHER products?
UNSUBBING FROM THIS THREAD.....
forte you have my info. hit me up when you need me.
EDIT: UB- i mistook your words as a direct jab at myself. No harm done. My apologies for my response.
JonnyAppleSeed420
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If you know plants then you know what they need for whatever stage they are in, it has nothing to do with what bottle when. Learn what's in the bottle and what it does. Foliar feed in flower when there are actually flowers? What is his R/H of the room? Without knowing a little more about his environment, this is bad advice. Foliar feeding should only be used in extreme cases, introducing moisture on the surface of the plant comes with risk and depending on your R/H different issues can and will arise. From what I have read on this site Please...Please...research the info from here because there is some real bad advice and techniques flying around.
Uncle Ben
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Slew, this is NOT about products. It's about correctly diagnosing the problem and using the right RATIOS of salts. Don't get pissed. I provided what I think is the correct solution based on years of experience when it comes to plant nutrition, soil chemistry, etc.
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Uncle Ben
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Probably normal, like 40-60%.
If I thought it was bad advice, I never would have said it. Most folks give bad advice just to be giving advice.
You're not giving one grain of thought about the actual ppm's of salts applied using my recommendation of 1/2 tsp/gallon nor what I recommended regarding a soil drench.
UB
SxIstew
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I told him i can't advise on his nutes because i only use GO. i would never give bad advise just to give it. i simply responded with what i could see(on the other thread) and then realized there are more than one problem going on.
UB you're good in my book. I just thought you were shooting down everything i had said.
No issues between us. I may ask for your help in the future. so BEWARE lol...
I'm not usually asking for advise anymore(since i've dealt with most of it already and know how to properly diagnose MY problems)
Never fight with a veteran grower. No matter how many people bash him for reasons unknown to me.
Take care
Stew
i would never give bad advise just to give it. i simply responded with what i could see(on the other thread) and then realized there are more than one problem going on.UB you're good in my book. I just thought you were shooting down everything i had said.
No issues between us. I may ask for your help in the future. so BEWARE lol...
I'm not usually asking for advise anymore(since i've dealt with most of it already and know how to properly diagnose MY problems)
Never fight with a veteran grower. No matter how many people bash him for reasons unknown to me.
Take care
Stew
JonnyAppleSeed420
New Member
Hey stew you will also notice the issue starting on the smaller plant on the right. I think the whole problem is their hungry! Now whether its a lockout or just lacking will have to be determined on-site. Some of my gardeners stop or drastically reduce the nitrogen through out flower and believe that this is natural, well it is only because the plant stops using huge amounts, doesn't mean they don't use any! That's my belief, I use a 3 part over the counter product and only drop nitrogen from flower at the 5th or 6th week, depending on the stage of growth, and if they are looking real good I don't drop anything. JAS
Uncle Ben
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Part of the reason why I bash cannabis specific foods is they are usually of the wrong macro/micro values, AND you need to add product X,Y,Z AND they're always expensive. It's just not right.I told him i can't advise on his nutes because i only use GO.
UB you're good in my book. I just thought you were shooting down everything i had said.
No issues between us. I may ask for your help in the future. so BEWARE lol...
I'm not usually asking for advise anymore(since i've dealt with most of it already and know how to properly diagnose MY problems)
Never fight with a veteran grower. No matter how many people bash him for reasons unknown to me.
Take care
Stew
Now....if he would tell us what he's been using, values NOT label names, I could confirm what I believe is going on or end up doing an "aw shit".
SxIstew
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Forte- sorry for clogging up the thread first of all.
UB - you tried the GO line yet? Being a newbie myself(3 years in, and going strong) I personally enjoy not having to pH my water.
Synthetics and i DON'T MIX. but at least i can say that. Some people can't admit when they don't know how to use a product. they end up blaming the product itself.
And obviously sometimes it IS the product. but mostly just the way it was used.
I never understood the whole 1/4-1/2 strength shit. What's the point of making a product CANNABIS SPECIFIC if you can't just use the recommended dose? lol
Anyways. back to the GO line. Starter kit is one of the cheapest out there at $35-$38, and it is enough for about 12-14 plants depending on container size. OBVIOUSLY not going to work for that many if you do shit like me and flower in 7-10 gallon pots.
Got some samples of "Peruvian Gold Organics" coming in the mail soon. Gonna give it a shot on half the Blue Dream clones i am NOT pollinating. Maybe get a new nute line i like.
What's your personal preference?
UB - you tried the GO line yet? Being a newbie myself(3 years in, and going strong) I personally enjoy not having to pH my water.
Synthetics and i DON'T MIX.
but at least i can say that. Some people can't admit when they don't know how to use a product. they end up blaming the product itself.And obviously sometimes it IS the product. but mostly just the way it was used.
I never understood the whole 1/4-1/2 strength shit. What's the point of making a product CANNABIS SPECIFIC if you can't just use the recommended dose? lol
Anyways. back to the GO line. Starter kit is one of the cheapest out there at $35-$38, and it is enough for about 12-14 plants depending on container size. OBVIOUSLY not going to work for that many if you do shit like me and flower in 7-10 gallon pots.
Got some samples of "Peruvian Gold Organics" coming in the mail soon. Gonna give it a shot on half the Blue Dream clones i am NOT pollinating. Maybe get a new nute line i like.
What's your personal preference?
Forte
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Thx for your help guys. I've been feeding them botanicare pure blend pro bloom 1-4-5, I put 15mL in a gallon and I also give them Cal-Mag 2-0-0 5mL. i feed them twice a week. I also give them molasses 1 tbsp and I use tap water that i let sit outside for more than 2 days.Most likely 'yes', induced by bloom foods. Fess up, what plant food have they been getting, how much, and at what frequency? What is the element values of your foods? I don't see any evidence of Mn deficiency.
UB
Forte
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Im confused. Can you let me know what nute products I should use from the beginning to end? Right now should I mix the Dyna gro 7-9-5 with the botanicare 1-4-5 or just use the dyna gro foliage pro till the end????
Forte
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What do i need to make the tea? and how do i get the micro life in the soil healthy?
ambedexteras
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hey man. im having a very similiar looking issue with one of my outdoor plants.
i posted a plant problem thread and the consensus was nute lock in the soil.
give her like 5-10 gallons of water and give her a good FLUSH.
and then do it again in like 3-4 days. and that should help for sure.
thats assuming u have proper holes and shit to let it run off.
cuz u definitely need to have alot of run off.
clean out all the excess nutes in ur soil that wont be used
i posted a plant problem thread and the consensus was nute lock in the soil.
give her like 5-10 gallons of water and give her a good FLUSH.
and then do it again in like 3-4 days. and that should help for sure.
thats assuming u have proper holes and shit to let it run off.
cuz u definitely need to have alot of run off.
clean out all the excess nutes in ur soil that wont be used
tags420
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Compost teas...there are brands you can buy...then just mix and aerate with molasses for a night. They are basically guanos and other composted organic materials. By aerating/brewing with molasses the micros eat and break down all the nutrients so that is is available to your plants. Similar process to when you ammend soil...but it happens quicker when brewed in tea.