why don't people have fur?

tip top toker

Well-Known Member
No, just simply not one you agree with yourself ;) or can your dis-prove my random concept of our mental ability meaning we didn't have such a need for fur. No, other than with theoretical responses, no, you can't, so who is one person to state whether a reason for us not having fur is good or otherwise? ;)
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
This is exactly why it is a philisophical issue. You classify a question. How is this up for debate now if its disproven. Longitudinal and Latitdinal Measuring Devices were not invented untill the 19th century. Yet the "Mercator Map" has the precise longitude and latitudinal coordinates dated 1513. Along with other maps and literature, raising serious questions about what we accept as the truth.

"Effectively Disproven", im sorry but in reference to the astral, this is utter non sense. One can only question the conscious factors in evoulution, not disprove them. The Law of Attraction? Newtonian Physics? All forms of accepted "high science" point to minute determining factors in all matters of progression.

Its like your saying when the first of our species experienced fear, their reaction was not to run.
I don't think the "law of attraction" has owt to do with science. Nor does anything having to do with "astral". You are suggesting that the sheer power of human consciousness somehow feeds back into the physical workings of nature. I have never found a single believable instance of that, even though the entire massive body of magical tradition relies on exactly that happening. Jmo. cn

<edit> I don't get the last sentence ... how does rejecting spiritism force the conclusion of a radically unnatural fear response long ago?
 

j4droopy

Active Member
Also Lamarck is one of the most misunderstood minds in human history. His idea was that we retain positive genetic inheritance to advance the species. Or "soft inheritance". This does not mean if ur dad picked his nose and was a dick his whole life you will be, but if your mom for example brushes her teeth perfectly and it makes her teeth stronger, over time stronger teeth may come into play.

Who is to really say out thoughts, understanding, consciousness, spirituality, and every is not being written into some genetic coding write now?

Also what im referring to is not Lamarckism.
 

Shannon Alexander

Well-Known Member
I have a friend that when I visited years ago when we were both 16, he was asleep in the lounge room on one couch snoring loudly with a hand down his pants... and on the other couch was his dad... snoring loudly with a hand down his pants...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Also Lamarck is one of the most misunderstood minds in human history. His idea was that we retain positive genetic inheritance to advance the species. Or "soft inheritance". This does not mean if ur dad picked his nose and was a dick his whole life you will be, but if your mom for example brushes her teeth perfectly and it makes her teeth stronger, over time stronger teeth may come into play.

Who is to really say out thoughts, understanding, consciousness, spirituality, and every is not being written into some genetic coding write now?

Also what im referring to is not Lamarckism.
No.
Darwin stated that we retain positive genetic inheritance at the population level to advance the species because it gives us a selective edge.
Lamarck said something quite different: that an individuals use/disuse of a certain feature or process feeds back into the machinery of inheritance. But the crux of Darwinism is that the selection occurs blindly, unconsciously, with utter disregard to the needs or thoughts of the individual. Modern darwinists would say "at the molecular level", and molecules are not aware. Lamarck believed that intention could affect the process of inheritance and evolution. This was where he went wrong. cn
 

j4droopy

Active Member
I don't think the "law of attraction" has owt to do with science. Nor does anything having to do with "astral". You are suggesting that the sheer power of human consciousness somehow feeds back into the physical workings of nature. I have never found a single believable instance of that, even though the entire massive body of magical tradition relies on exactly that happening. Jmo. cn

<edit> I don't get the last sentence ... how does rejecting spiritism force the conclusion of a radically unnatural fear response long ago?

The "Law of Attraction" is applicaple to magnatism.

Im saying the sheer power of human consciouness affects human otherwise. to believe otherwise is audacious. Your telling me human presence has not played a role in nature. WALK OUTSIDE AND LOOK AT THE PAVEMENT. You speak of Magical Tradition, yet when was the last time you experienced any thorough ritualistic practice? Im not saying i sit and meditate for hours on end, yet in the words of Bob Marley "before you knock it, try it first." "Magick", "Ritual", and anything to do with them, has been practiced since before written history. As i said before the "Crusades" our responsible for what your taught in school. Just like a dictator says his country should be a certain way, so history was written.

Why do you think, that when you experience fear your reaction is to run? Because of your past experience, or was it there before you experienced?
 

j4droopy

Active Member
No.
Darwin stated that we retain positive genetic inheritance at the population level to advance the species because it gives us a selective edge.
Lamarck said something quite different: that an individuals use/disuse of a certain feature or process feeds back into the machinery of inheritance. But the crux of Darwinism is that the selection occurs blindly, unconsciously, with utter disregard to the needs or thoughts of the individual. Modern darwinists would say "at the molecular level", and molecules are not aware. Lamarck believed that intention could affect the process of inheritance and evolution. This was where he went wrong. cn
AWW and there in lies the rump. Culture ensures that all personal practices are similar. Therefore as a general collective large numbers of people are doing the same thing. Theres your personilaztion. Intentions manipulate society. The same is true for your body temp. When you run, your entire body moves. All the atoms your composed of vibrate together to create the illusion of solidity. When the atoms move together faster it creates friction, which in turns warms your body. Inter-connectivity. I suppose String Theory has been thoroughly disproven as well.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The "Law of Attraction" is applicaple to magnatism.

Im saying the sheer power of human consciouness affects human otherwise. to believe otherwise is audacious. Your telling me human presence has not played a role in nature. WALK OUTSIDE AND LOOK AT THE PAVEMENT. You speak of Magical Tradition, yet when was the last time you experienced any thorough ritualistic practice? Im not saying i sit and meditate for hours on end, yet in the words of Bob Marley "before you knock it, try it first." "Magick", "Ritual", and anything to do with them, has been practiced since before written history. As i said before the "Crusades" our responsible for what your taught in school. Just like a dictator says his country should be a certain way, so history was written.

Why do you think, that when you experience fear your reaction is to run? Because of your past experience, or was it there before you experienced?
When i search "law of attraction" I get a faceful of metaphysics.
When I add the word "magnet" to the search I still get a faceful of not-science.
I would appreciate a link to a physical theorem commonly called "the law of attraction". How we use words ... matters imo.
The pavement outside is a monument not to the fact that humans have wishes, but HANDS imo. ;) cn

As for the fear-based reaction to run, I am sure it was there without need for my individual experience. The biology of instinct is an interesting field imo. cn
 

j4droopy

Active Member
Regardless, the subtle beauty of nature will continue to dance forth toward our meager understanding. Molecular awareness is dancing with god my friend. An understanding above my own may be the driving force, i absolutely cannot say for sure.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Regardless, the subtle beauty of nature will continue to dance forth toward our meager understanding. Molecular awareness is dancing with god my friend. An understanding above my own may be the driving force, i absolutely cannot say for sure.
That I can accept and embrace as stated, because it is admittedly, declaredly, exuberantly subjective. I have great respect and love for beauty as it is ... peace to you. cn
 

j4droopy

Active Member
When i search "law of attraction" I get a faceful of metaphysics.
When I add the word "magnet" to the search I still get a faceful of not-science.
I would appreciate a link to a physical theorem commonly called "the law of attraction". How we use words ... matters imo.
The pavement outside is a monument not to the fact that humans have wishes, but HANDS imo. ;) cn

As for the fear-based reaction to run, I am sure it was there without need for my individual experience. The biology of instinct is an interesting field imo. cn
There are many types of magnets, all composed of selective material such as alluminum, nickel. cobalt. iron, boron, rare-earth element neodymium, and the rare-earth element samarium. What do magnets? Well depends on the magnet, but generally the same components of magnets. Objects consisting of the same material, pulling towards one another. The Law of Attraction.

Just because you found "meta-physics" and describe it as a faceful of non-science, does not mean what was present is untrue. Herbal Medicine/alchemy practiced by Tibetan Monks has been around since before recorded history. Modern day science is recognizing more and more the practices of hollistic medicine. Does smoking weed invoke spiritualism, or fight cancer? Im pretty sure its different for everyone.

How we use words does matter. You view of "non-science" or meta-physics is narrow. Discredited, if you will.

The pavement outside, prevents the grass from growing, i need not go into the circle of life to see how this will affect evolution. Its is a monument to the wishes of humans. We have not always had such excellent means of transportation. I dont want to walk the Desert.
The fact of the matter is HUMANS EXIST on earth. Humans think and have a reasonable and motivational cause for action. We do influence everything whether we posses the capacity to see such is another story. Without the wheel, there woul be no cars. Without cars? Perhaps no impending environmental doom. aka effected atmosphere. With a big enough hole in the atmosphere radioactive solar particles will hit us directly. Cancer? Disease? Who knows, but the fact of the matter is we are our own worst enemy. We have affected ourselves and our evolution. So much so that we are at a turning point in human history.
 

budlover13

King Tut
We dont, we are warm blooded, we.self regulate temperature. Cold blooded animals rely on outside temperatures for heating and cooling.

As to why we dont have fur, well evolutionarily speaking it was linked with higher intelligence, having less hair, which simply progressed to having little body hair. However why did it happen to begin with, well african primates had to lose hair in order to not overheat while walking and running upright for long distances, and thus the link between intelligence and less hair began
Awww crap! i'm hairy as hell.
 

Sunbiz1

Well-Known Member
as the most advanced species on this planet, why do we need to rely on an outside source to help regulate our body temperatures?


just wondering. :?
We can/have always been able to add clothes...now try shaving your ass in summer with no electricity.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
There are many types of magnets, all composed of selective material such as alluminum, nickel. cobalt. iron, boron, rare-earth element neodymium, and the rare-earth element samarium. What do magnets? Well depends on the magnet, but generally the same components of magnets. Objects consisting of the same material, pulling towards one another. The Law of Attraction.

Just because you found "meta-physics" and describe it as a faceful of non-science, does not mean what was present is untrue. Herbal Medicine/alchemy practiced by Tibetan Monks has been around since before recorded history. Modern day science is recognizing more and more the practices of hollistic medicine. Does smoking weed invoke spiritualism, or fight cancer? Im pretty sure its different for everyone.

How we use words does matter. You view of "non-science" or meta-physics is narrow. Discredited, if you will.

The pavement outside, prevents the grass from growing, i need not go into the circle of life to see how this will affect evolution. Its is a monument to the wishes of humans. We have not always had such excellent means of transportation. I dont want to walk the Desert.
The fact of the matter is HUMANS EXIST on earth. Humans think and have a reasonable and motivational cause for action. We do influence everything whether we posses the capacity to see such is another story. Without the wheel, there woul be no cars. Without cars? Perhaps no impending environmental doom. aka effected atmosphere. With a big enough hole in the atmosphere radioactive solar particles will hit us directly. Cancer? Disease? Who knows, but the fact of the matter is we are our own worst enemy. We have affected ourselves and our evolution. So much so that we are at a turning point in human history.
j4, imo you are moving the goalposts.
I spoke about the law of attraction because you presented it as science.
However you did not provide a link as i asked but instead presented something personal and subjective.

In re Tibetan alchemy .. i am not familiar with that so cannot comment. But ALL alchemy is magic, and magic cannot be science.

Holistic medicine has emphatically not been proven by science! It becomes very difficult to either prove or disprove alternative medicine's efficacy because a) clinical data are very noisy and lend themselves brilliantly to "cherrypicking" by interested parties, both champions and naysayers. b) The placebo effect is quite real, and not many studies adequately compensate for it.

As for the pavement outside, you originally brought it up to illistrate a point about human consciousness directly affecting the environment. It is imo not a monument to human wishes but human deeds. Once something has been made deed by the physical action of our hands and the tools in them, the original premise (that our thoughts directly feed back into the physical) is no longer to point. All jmo.

In any case my original point has become buried in a wealth of uncorrelated philosophical musings, and it was this: Lamarckian models of evolution have never fared well under the scrutiny of careful researchers. They don't fit facts well. cn
 
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