RBGene
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Main Stream Media
Why is Voting by mail such a issue now ?
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hanimmal
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Right, but what does that mean?
3 billion Crayola crayons are sold a year, thats a lot, pretty mainstream anyways. And it is a media, would you count that?
Are you talking about websites like 'OANN' and 'The Hill' that pretend to be news media, but are actually propaganda media.
Are you talking about 'news media' that is actually fact checked and have to accurately report well sourced stories that hold up in a court of law, because they can and will get sued if and when they don't get it right?
There is a lot of lies that have been pushed hard for a decade now, chances are when people use catch phrases we learn from people who are selling the lies they need people to have in their minds to get elected are stuck not understanding the differences and nuance in something that seems easy to understand like 'the media' or 'main stream media'. It is a inkblot test that people are left to their bubbles to define.
Bear420
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70 days to save the Earth ...
... because that is when the US withdraws from the Paris climate accord, on 4 November. Five years ago nearly 200 countries committed to a collective global response to tackle the climate crisis. But when Donald Trump took office he announced that the US would leave the Paris agreement. On the one issue that demands a worldwide response to help safeguard the Earth for future generations, the US has chosen to walk away. The president is playing politics with the climate crisis – the most defining issue of our time.
The stakes could scarcely be higher and with your help we can put this issue at the center of our 2020 election coverage. The election will be a referendum on the future of democracy, racial justice, the supreme court and so much more. But hovering over all of these is whether the US will play its role in helping take collective responsibility for the future of the planet.
The period since the Paris agreement was signed has seen the five hottest years on record. If carbon emissions continue substantial climate change is unavoidable. The most impacted communities will also be the most vulnerable. Instead of helping lead this discussion the White House prefers to roll back environmental protections to placate the fossil fuel industry.
High-quality journalism that is grounded in science will be critical for raising awareness of these dangers and driving change. Because we believe every one of us deserves equal access to fact-based news and analysis, we’ve decided to keep Guardian journalism free for all readers, regardless of where they live or what they can afford to pay. This is made possible thanks to the support we receive from readers across America in all 50 states.
... because that is when the US withdraws from the Paris climate accord, on 4 November. Five years ago nearly 200 countries committed to a collective global response to tackle the climate crisis. But when Donald Trump took office he announced that the US would leave the Paris agreement. On the one issue that demands a worldwide response to help safeguard the Earth for future generations, the US has chosen to walk away. The president is playing politics with the climate crisis – the most defining issue of our time.
The stakes could scarcely be higher and with your help we can put this issue at the center of our 2020 election coverage. The election will be a referendum on the future of democracy, racial justice, the supreme court and so much more. But hovering over all of these is whether the US will play its role in helping take collective responsibility for the future of the planet.
The period since the Paris agreement was signed has seen the five hottest years on record. If carbon emissions continue substantial climate change is unavoidable. The most impacted communities will also be the most vulnerable. Instead of helping lead this discussion the White House prefers to roll back environmental protections to placate the fossil fuel industry.
High-quality journalism that is grounded in science will be critical for raising awareness of these dangers and driving change. Because we believe every one of us deserves equal access to fact-based news and analysis, we’ve decided to keep Guardian journalism free for all readers, regardless of where they live or what they can afford to pay. This is made possible thanks to the support we receive from readers across America in all 50 states.
Fogdog
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Six states will decide this election. North Carolina, Florida, Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Minnesota. Trump won in all of them in 2016. Biden leads Trump in four of those six states by about 5% margin. If Trump wins all six of those again, he's president regardless of the national vote. There is very little we can do other than contacting our representatives in Congress and demand that they ensure every registered voter can safely and easily cast their votes in a verifiable manner.
hanimmal
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/04/usps-dejoy-wasserman-schultz/
Lawmakers in both the House and Senate have visited USPS facilities in recent weeks, saying they are asserting oversight responsibility of the agency after constituents, postal workers and internal postal performance data reported growing delays. It’s raised worries about the Postal Service’s ability to handle an expected avalanche of mail-in ballots during the November election, and President Trump said he would attempt to hamper the agency’s ability to deliver ballots by withholding emergency funding.
“I’m outraged. I’m angry,” Wasserman Schultz said in a phone interview. “I am frustrated for the seniors that aren’t getting their medicine, worried for the voters whose rights are going to be impinged and very concerned, because I’ve been contacted by so many businesses who have had their mail slow and whose businesses are already struggling in this economic downturn. And so for the Postal Service to intentionally be trying to hide behind their locked gates and their excuses, it all lies at the feet of [new Postmaster General] Louis DeJoy because this has all occurred since his appointment.”
Wasserman Schultz’s staff notified Postal Service officials early Thursday afternoon of her intent to observe a typical morning mail-processing shift, she said, and followed the same notification procedure as when she visited the Royal Palm facility earlier in the year.
“It wasn’t a request,” Wasserman Schultz said. “It was a notification.”
But the Postal Service did not acknowledge that communication until hours later, Wasserman Schultz said, when a member of her staff reached a USPS official by phone. That official said that Wasserman Schultz did not provide sufficient advance notice of her intent to visit and that she would be denied entry.
“I’ve been there before,” Wasserman Schultz said. “I wasn’t told that I had to give any lengthy notice or that there was any rules. So what I did was I decided that I was going to go anyway.”
In an emailed statement, Postal Service spokeswoman Kimberly Frum said the agency was notified late Thursday afternoon of Wasserman Schultz’s request for a tour at 4 a.m.
Louis DeJoy was always his own boss. Whom does he serve now?
“We spoke with her staff to explain that we were unable to set up the tour on such short notice, but would be happy to accommodate her at another time,” Frum wrote. “We look forward to working with the congresswoman and her staff to arrange a visit in the near future.”
In a statement, a Postal Inspection Service spokesman said the officers responding to Wasserman Schultz’s visit were based at the Miami processing facility and provide security at both locations.
“Ensuring only authorized parties enter nonpublic areas of USPS facilities is part of a Postal Police officer’s normal duties,” Postal Inspector Eric Manuel wrote.
“The disrespect of a Congress member who sits on the Oversight and Reform Committee that is protecting the post office and they’re denying her coming in,” said Nick Mosezar, the president of the National Postal Mail Handlers Union Local 318 who helped plan Wasserman Schultz’s visit. “Unbelievable.”
But in the months since Wasserman Schultz’s last visit to USPS facilities, lawmakers have been highly critical of Postal Service leaders over delivery delays linked to the postmaster general’s aggressive cost-cutting agenda. DeJoy, a former supply chain logistics executive and ally of Trump, imposed stricter dispatch deadlines for mail transportation trucks and barred extra trips to ensure on-time delivery.
House panel will subpoena Postal Service, Louis DeJoy for records on mail delays
Postal workers from coast to coast and national union leaders also say workers were told overtime hours would be eliminated and that the directive was issued by the postmaster general. Memos circulated to mid-level managers and obtained by The Washington Post stated that DeJoy planned to eliminate overtime hours. DeJoy denied in sworn testimony ever issuing such an order.
“Carriers were ordered off the streets at 5 o’clock whether you finished your route or you didn’t finish your route,” said Al Friedman, president of the Florida State Association of Letter Carriers. “That was everywhere. That was all over Florida.”
Problems at the Royal Palm facility had been mounting in recent weeks, Mosezar said. On Thursday afternoon shortly before Wasserman Schultz informed the Postal Service of her planned visit, mail sat in pallets on the shop floor that was supposed to be delivered on July 22 — 43 days late — according to photos of the mail taken by postal workers and provided to Mosezar.
The week after DeJoy took office, the Postal Service removed a Flat Sequencing System, a gargantuan machine that sorts “flats,” or larger paper mail items such as magazines and ballots, by Zip codes and into delivery sequence for letter carriers.
It is one of the 671 high-speed sorting machines the Postal Service planned to remove over the summer, according to documents obtained by The Post. DeJoy on Aug. 18, said he would suspend the removal of any further machines, but by Aug. 1, 658 of them were already scheduled to be scrapped.
“When you start turning off and letting those machines no longer run, they’re just there,” Mosezar said. “They’re roped off, and now the area that would be normally used for the processing on that machine is now used as a storage area for delayed mail or a storage area for empty equipment.”
Wasserman Schultz and DeJoy jousted over the mothballing of those machines in one of more heated exchanges during an emergency hearing by the House Oversight Committee on Aug. 24. Displaying photographs of decommissioned machines and chiding DeJoy for interrupting her questioning, Wasserman Schultz accused the postmaster general of “not being honest with this committee” and “hiding” plans for machine disposal “while removing them at a breakneck pace.”
Here’s why the Postal Service wanted to remove hundreds of mail-sorting machines
Wasserman Schultz asked DeJoy whether he knew of any managers who had asked to reconnect mail-sorting machines.
“How would I know that?” DeJoy responded.
“You’re in charge,” Wasserman Schultz shot back.
“Do you believe that it is the local handlers’ job to decide whether they need a sorting machine?” Wasserman Schultz asked. “And will you give them the freedom to plug the machines back in and bring machines that haven’t been taken apart back online in order to make sure we can get the mail out on time, which you acknowledge has gotten worse since your arrival?”
“That was a long list of accusations,” DeJoy said, but Wasserman Schultz cut in.
“No, I just want a simple answer to the question,” she said.
DeJoy interrupted. “Well it’s my time now,” he said. “Is it my time?”
“No, no,” Wasserman Schultz said. “It’s always my time. And I’d like an answer to the question.”
“We have a management team that is responsible for making decisions as to what machines are used and not used,” DeJoy said.
Bear420
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That's more than likely going on in more than one place. Holy Cow what a crock of shit.
Thanks for Sharing !!
CunningCanuk
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My wife does the same thing. She hates to leave a blank section on the ballot and will not vote on any issue uninformed.
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CunningCanuk
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Just curious. Are there still issues with mail delivery?
Fogdog
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Who can tell?
They used a junk excuse to prevent a Florida Rep from visiting a key processing site that was the scene of a national scandal in 2018. Of course Trump's cronies will jigger the election by effing with the mail. But for right now, its the same old dodge, distract and delay tactics that the orange fuker has been pulling for 3 plus years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/04/usps-dejoy-wasserman-schultz/
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) had arrived at the Royal Palm Processing and Distribution Center in Opa-Locka, Fla., for a 4 a.m. tour to find the parking lot entry roped off with caution tape and a U.S. Postal Inspection Service cruiser blocking the gate. Local Postal Service officials informed her and union leaders waiting to accompany her into the building that national USPS leadership had directed them to bar the group from the building.
doublejj
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impeach him again.....
doublejj
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vote republicans out....and lock them up
DIY-HP-LED
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Does anybody think Donald gained or lost votes in the past 24 hours? I think calling military people losers and suckers will have an impact, the WH is in headlong panic mode over it, they seem to think it will hurt bigly. 
He might lose a million votes over that fiasco and more than a few will be serving military, vets and of course their families. The Atlantic article and the follow up independent verification was devastating and will wipe away any polling gains he recently made. It's all over the TV news and that's where most will see it, it's causing quite a stir,especially with outraged vets and families speaking out, as are some retired stars
He might lose a million votes over that fiasco and more than a few will be serving military, vets and of course their families. The Atlantic article and the follow up independent verification was devastating and will wipe away any polling gains he recently made. It's all over the TV news and that's where most will see it, it's causing quite a stir,especially with outraged vets and families speaking out, as are some retired stars
Fogdog
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I don't think so. He was openly contemptuous of military families in 2016, didn't seem to matter. People have mostly already made up their minds and we'll find out what that is in sixty days.Does anybody think Donald gained or lost votes in the past 24 hours? I think calling military people losers and suckers will have an impact, the WH is in headlong panic mode over it, they seem to think it will hurt bigly.
Some external factor can flip the election away from Biden or maybe Trump's plans to cheat will do it for him. Right now, things seem to be all in Biden's favor and this is a tiny event compared to Trump's bungling the epidemic and his failed economy. Even the civil unrest right now doesn't seem to be affecting things one way or the other.
DIY-HP-LED
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I got my fingers crossed! The polling does look favorable and things look pretty much locked in, but the military disrespect will hurt him where it counts. Trump can't afford to lose any support, but most importantly he's losing in the states, the battle grounds now appear to be Florida, Georgia and Texas. My hope is he loses Florida on election night, apparently they count mail in ballots fast there, if that happens the networks will declare Biden the winner, game over. Of course Trump will whine, bitch and complain, but the congress certifies the result.
As I said before, the blue sates will have their congress people ready to go, if there are election issues, they will be in red states and their congressional delegations won't be seated in the new congress on Jan 3rd, other people are on the ticket too.
DIY-HP-LED
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Eight Senate Races That Could Flip the Senate: How Democrats Could Win the Senate - TLDR News
Fogdog
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The main driver for this election are the epidemic and the economy. He completely fumbled on the epidemic which tanked Trump's economy and polls show people blame Trump for that. Despite what happened recently to our economy, more people say they trust Trump with the economy than Biden. When people cast their votes, many will vote based upon the weight the put onto these two issues. Which one will be the deciding factor? Also, the deciding votes will be cast in six battleground states (Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania). They all went to Trump in 2016 and they all have state governments controlled by Republicans. This election is a lot closer than one might think if they look at national sentiment.
The electoral college makes this election closer than it would be if we had a popular vote. When people in those few battleground states decide how they will vote, they will probably choose based upon their feelings and especially their fears. Given that the majority in those six states voted for Trump in 2016, Biden's win in 2020 requires some of Trump voters to admit they were wrong four years earlier. On top of Trump's bungling the handling of the epidemic and his perceived advantage on the economy, the 2016 Trump voter's pride will also be a factor in this race. The military gaffe of Trump's isn't going to change any of that.
DIY-HP-LED
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They can nibble around the edges of his support, every issue and scandal costs him something and keeps him off balance, reacting, keep him at 40% and Joe wins. This latest scandal has him scrambling, that's one way I measure impact, how hard they scream! Covid devastating the red states, the lack of response, testing and leadership are the biggest factor. As for fools admitting they were wrong, the ballot is secret for a reason and most folks flawed or not, just want a survive and get back to normal. Let's work for and hope for the best, it might be a fight for freedom but so far the good guys appear to be ahead. I'd look for October surprises, both from Trump and Barr, and from other sources like perhaps the NY state AG.
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that was 2016, and Obama one of the most popular presidents of all time..and all we could do was vote.
guess what? i'm hearing the same thing now..while someone does EXACTLY as he pleases, unfettered..STILL*.
*dedicated to @blu3bird Dog
DIY-HP-LED
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Voting Twice, Rigged Elections and Donald Trump the Cheater
Donald Trump whines and complains like no other president in our nation's history. His latest incessant, not to mention laughable, complaint is that the only way he will lose the election is if it is rigged. This certainly qualifies as irony, given that Donald Trump, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and others worked with Russia to rig the 2016 elections. Trump's remedy to his (false) claim that he can only lose if the election is rigged is . . . to cheat in the upcoming election by telling his supporters they should vote twice! This seems to be beyond the pale even for Donald Trump. Yet, given the deafening silence, the Republicans in Congress and in the Trump administration apparently are all in on Trump's approach. At the end of this video, I share my daydream regarding where I would love to be at 9:30 a.m. on January 21, 2021.
Donald Trump whines and complains like no other president in our nation's history. His latest incessant, not to mention laughable, complaint is that the only way he will lose the election is if it is rigged. This certainly qualifies as irony, given that Donald Trump, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and others worked with Russia to rig the 2016 elections. Trump's remedy to his (false) claim that he can only lose if the election is rigged is . . . to cheat in the upcoming election by telling his supporters they should vote twice! This seems to be beyond the pale even for Donald Trump. Yet, given the deafening silence, the Republicans in Congress and in the Trump administration apparently are all in on Trump's approach. At the end of this video, I share my daydream regarding where I would love to be at 9:30 a.m. on January 21, 2021.
DIY-HP-LED
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One of many forecasts, all of them bad for Trump, this one goes into some "granularity" in that it goes right down to county level.
Analyzing the OurProgress 2020 Election Model!
●Hello everyone! Welcome back to a brand new video
●In this video I am analyzing the Ourprogress 2020 election model
●All 2020 election models are unique, and this is no different. It had many different aspects like county maps, third party vote, etc.
Analyzing the OurProgress 2020 Election Model!
●Hello everyone! Welcome back to a brand new video
●In this video I am analyzing the Ourprogress 2020 election model
●All 2020 election models are unique, and this is no different. It had many different aspects like county maps, third party vote, etc.