why isnt it f**kn sprouting! :(

deza

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sooo.. I planted the germinated seeds in phd water. 5.8 as soon as it showed a tap root when it cracked I put them a tad under the soil root down (soil was soaked in phd water 5.8 also. Been three or four days and no sprout! I spay the soil to keep it moist but not dry always but.i.dunno wtf im doing wrong :sad:

Its kept in my grow room which is warm under a 400mh aswell n still nuthn:sad:

Ill post pics .. am i watering too much am i supposed to let it dry out at this stage? what the hell am i missing....

room temp is 26 deg celcius.
 

massah

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well...they say the tap root should be up not down, but I've never had an issue putting the root down. How far down in the soil did you put it? It only needs to be about .5-1cm below the surface. PH 5.8 is for hydro, PH 6.5-6.8 is for soil. Are you using a seedling soil with no nutrients in it or are you using something that's chock full of nutrients? I'd give it another week then dig it up to see whats going on...it might just still be burrowing that taproot down into the soil and just hasn't had enough grab to push the top up out of the soil yet. Did the root have a 180degree crook in it or was it just a little root sticking straight out of the shell? I usually wait until the tap root is about an inch long before popping it down in the soil and at that point its usually got a bend going on in it.
 

deza

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well...they say the tap root should be up not down, but I've never had an issue putting the root down. How far down in the soil did you put it? It only needs to be about .5-1cm below the surface. PH 5.8 is for hydro, PH 6.5-6.8 is for soil. Are you using a seedling soil with no nutrients in it or are you using something that's chock full of nutrients? I'd give it another week then dig it up to see whats going on...it might just still be burrowing that taproot down into the soil and just hasn't had enough grab to push the top up out of the soil yet. Did the root have a 180degree crook in it or was it just a little root sticking straight out of the shell? I usually wait until the tap root is about an inch long before popping it down in the soil and at that point its usually got a bend going on in it.

The tap root was just sticking out of the shell about 0.5cm; it was buried about 0.3 to 0.4CM below the surface.
no nutrients just phd water. the ph shouldnt be the cause i think its not too far off.

it will be transplanted into coco coir after sprouting.

so what am i to expect? whats happening to these seeds as i write this?..
 

massah

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I'd stop watering that and just let it sit since its in a humidity dome...stop spritzing it. They should pop soon...also make sure your MH light is up nice and high at the start, as babies don't like to have the full direct light on them.
 

deza

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I'd stop watering that and just let it sit since its in a humidity dome...stop spritzing it. They should pop soon...also make sure your MH light is up nice and high at the start, as babies don't like to have the full direct light on them.
the light is as high is it can get.. is the light the problem? some youtube videos say that it has to remain in a dark warm place still.. im confused.
i only water them because they dry quicker in the grow room.
 

zibra

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See the germination step by step below and u will have a better understanding....over watering is usually the #1 issue....u don't need to adjust the ph or give nutes for first 2 weeks. Good luck
 

deza

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See the germination step by step below and u will have a better understanding....over watering is usually the #1 issue....u don't need to adjust the ph or give nutes for first 2 weeks. Good luck
i cant see anything.
 

deza

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I'd stop watering that and just let it sit since its in a humidity dome...stop spritzing it. They should pop soon...also make sure your MH light is up nice and high at the start, as babies don't like to have the full direct light on them.


How often am I supposed to water at this stage?
 
Hi, deza!

I just read the thread and its replies. If it's any relief, I would be going mad too, every thing that does not go according to what I believe to be standard makes me wonder if the whole thing got screwed up, so I totally understand.

I did not know they could go on for a week, so it's great to hear what smokey had to say about it:
I've had them take a week or more... Patience is the ticket... Give it a few more days...
This should be of relief.

I will explain what I did, which is the only thing I can do for you (and it does not mean that yours will not sprout at all if you didn't do the same thing as me. Remember, I'm the noobest of the noobs).

1. I placed 8 seeds in between two papel towers inside two dishes. 36 hours later, 6 of them were showing the radicle (approximately the same size as the seed itself). In another 6 hours, another seed showed radicle. One of them did not make it (they say 7 out of 8 it's great, but it made me a bit sad, actually, since I see them as a family).
2. Then, I inserted them at the same distance you did below surface (with the radicle pointing down, which I saw in Jorge Cervantes DVD, Ultimate Grow I, although I don't know if this is really necessary —I don't think nature is so delicate puting seeds—). After placing every seed, I watered them with water and root stimulator and bottled water until saturation (water comes out from the bottom). I put the
3. 36 hours after planting, 2 out of 7 had sprouted. The rest showed up consecutively within 24-36 hours, I would say. So, basically, it took 72 hours for them to sprout.

The closet where I placed the pots since I planted them was located in a room with high relative humidity (65%) and a temperature ranging from 19.5 to 21.4 ºC. I placed the pots under 2 poor studying lights (aprox. 40 W each) all the time until they sprouted. Since then, I gave them 18 hour light and 6 of darkness.

What I would do is to follow smokey advise and wait (after all, if people have to wait up to 1 week sometimes, why should anything be wrong with your seeds?). And if they don't show up then look for them in the soil and see what's going on, like massah said.
Also, I saw the pics and at least on the picture you took, soil seems to be flooded (surface is shining). I'm guesing you took the picture after watering. Otherwise, they do not need to be flooded to sprout (I don't even know if that's good). As I said, after planting I just sataurated the pots, let them get rid of excess water through the pots' draining and wait.

By the way, when I watered them for the first time after planting the seeds, I poured the water from the bottle with little care and one of the seeds sprouted near the edge of the pot (I am a brute). And that was the first seed that sprouted, so imagine me thinking for 12-24 hours that maybe I had drowned the other seeds deep in the soil... My point is: we worry too much, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but at least we should laugh at ourselves for doing it:)
 

deza

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Hi, deza!

I just read the thread and its replies. If it's any relief, I would be going mad too, every thing that does not go according to what I believe to be standard makes me wonder if the whole thing got screwed up, so I totally understand.

I did not know they could go on for a week, so it's great to hear what smokey had to say about it:

This should be of relief.

I will explain what I did, which is the only thing I can do for you (and it does not mean that yours will not sprout at all if you didn't do the same thing as me. Remember, I'm the noobest of the noobs).

1. I placed 8 seeds in between two papel towers inside two dishes. 36 hours later, 6 of them were showing the radicle (approximately the same size as the seed itself). In another 6 hours, another seed showed radicle. One of them did not make it (they say 7 out of 8 it's great, but it made me a bit sad, actually, since I see them as a family).
2. Then, I inserted them at the same distance you did below surface (with the radicle pointing down, which I saw in Jorge Cervantes DVD, Ultimate Grow I, although I don't know if this is really necessary —I don't think nature is so delicate puting seeds—). After placing every seed, I watered them with water and root stimulator and bottled water until saturation (water comes out from the bottom). I put the
3. 36 hours after planting, 2 out of 7 had sprouted. The rest showed up consecutively within 24-36 hours, I would say. So, basically, it took 72 hours for them to sprout.

The closet where I placed the pots since I planted them was located in a room with high relative humidity (65%) and a temperature ranging from 19.5 to 21.4 ºC. I placed the pots under 2 poor studying lights (aprox. 40 W each) all the time until they sprouted. Since then, I gave them 18 hour light and 6 of darkness.

What I would do is to follow smokey advise and wait (after all, if people have to wait up to 1 week sometimes, why should anything be wrong with your seeds?). And if they don't show up then look for them in the soil and see what's going on, like massah said.
Also, I saw the pics and at least on the picture you took, soil seems to be flooded (surface is shining). I'm guesing you took the picture after watering. Otherwise, they do not need to be flooded to sprout (I don't even know if that's good). As I said, after planting I just sataurated the pots, let them get rid of excess water through the pots' draining and wait.

By the way, when I watered them for the first time after planting the seeds, I poured the water from the bottle with little care and one of the seeds sprouted near the edge of the pot (I am a brute). And that was the first seed that sprouted, so imagine me thinking for 12-24 hours that maybe I had drowned the other seeds deep in the soil... My point is: we worry too much, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but at least we should laugh at ourselves for doing it:)
Thankyou so much for ur detailed response.. Ill try ur method !


I took the white widow out and it was the same as before.except the root.was.slightly brown.. Mushy root. I threw it away n started another white widow
 

massah

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Thankyou so much for ur detailed response.. Ill try ur method !


I took the white widow out and it was the same as before.except the root.was.slightly brown.. Mushy root. I threw it away n started another white widow
^^ yup you overwatered it...root suffocated and rotted. You shouldn't have to rewet your medium after you put the seed down in and water it once unless it actually dries out. Being in the humidity dome doesn't let the moisture evaporate and you should just be able to leave it alone.
 
^^ yup you overwatered it...root suffocated and rotted. You shouldn't have to rewet your medium after you put the seed down in and water it once unless it actually dries out. Being in the humidity dome doesn't let the moisture evaporate and you should just be able to leave it alone.
Yes, deza, I think he is right, you might have suffocated them. Just water them when you put them into pots and then let them sprout and do not water them again until the pot is light (you should have nice seedlings by then, in my case it was around day 6 after planting, but this depends on how rapid water evaporates in your situation). Never rewater if soil still contains moist. The way I see it now, you want to encourage roots to go looking for water, not suffocating them or making them lazy.
 

ink the world

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over watering is usually the #1 issue....u don't need to adjust the ph or give nutes for first 2 weeks. Good luck
Exactly where the problem probably lies. Stop watering, leave them in a humidity dome and hope for the best. If your cups have any real weight they might be soaked and rotting in the wet soil.

Next time, germ them and put them in slightly wet soil. I just use a mister to water the soil on seedlings, really helps prevent over watering them.
 

deza

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Guys the white widow has raised!! Still has the seed stuck on.it though..

When I restarted I only put all of the root into soil and the seed above ground. Looks like it worked!
Need to do the same on the others


I was an.idiot watering them non stop.
 
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