Why Legalization should be Stopped! (wait, hear me out!)

Wow....how fucking short-sighted can you be, man? Everyone cultivating and selling MMJ today will benefit from this. You will be issuing more degrees if anything once everyone legal or not can grow a 25 square foot grow legally. And in places where MMJ is already the main cash crop nothing will change. There will just be a bigger, legit market for their crop...

It's totally fucked up and sort of depressing. Again, it's like you guys are telling everyone who has ever had his life ruined by a cannabis...."sorry, man. but we've carved out our little nitch here with the MMJ and you can all go fuck yourselves now." If this thing doesn't pass because of people like you it will be a good day for the prohibitionists and a bad day for all of us. It's too bad that you are too myopic to see that.

Medical Cannabis Patients FAQ

Q: Does the Initiative change medical cannabis laws in California?

A: No, it won’t change or affect current medical cannabis laws or protections offered to qualified patients. Patients will still be able to possess what is needed for medical use, and will retain all rights under Prop 215 and SB 420. In fact, the Initiative will clarify state law, to protect medical cannabis collectives and businesses operating responsibly under their local guidelines. Currently, the legality of medical cannabis sales is in dispute. Many cities and counties are struggling with the interpretation of SB 420, particularly around the allowance for cash transactions. As a result, these localities are unable to control and tax medical cannabis for distribution to qualified patients. The Initiative specifically grants cities and counties the ability to regulate sales for medical cannabis and commercial cultivation for safe, regulated medicine. The Initiative will also allow for research, safety testing, and potency monitoring.
Q: How will the Initiative affect patients who grow at home?

A: Patient gardens will remain legal, and protections will remain unchanged for patients who choose to grow their own medicine.

Q: How will the Initiative affect collective and cooperative cultivation?

A: The Initiative will allow for greater protection for collectives and cooperatives in storefront locations. City and county governments will now have the clearly established ability to regulate collective and/or commercial growing.

Q: If the Initiative passes, will non-medical patients have more rights than
patients?

A: No, adults 21 and over will be able to possess up to one ounce of cannabis outside of the home. Adults may only grow in a 5’x5’ area, and will have an affirmative defense to possess what they grow for personal use in that area. Patients and/or collectives will still be able to possess the amount needed for their medical use.

Q: If the Initiative passes, will it still be beneficial to be a medical cannabis patient?

A: Yes, medical patients will receive the greatest protections. Qualified patients will be allowed to possess and grow more than adults (to cover their medical needs). We also hope to see exemptions or discounts on services, and taxes to subsidize the cost to patients needing medical cannabis.
Q: Will the Initiative make it more difficult to become a medical patient?

A: No, being a medical cannabis patient will still remain private between you and your doctor.

Q: Could the Initiative affect medical cannabis growers?

A: Yes, by providing legal permits to gardens, the Initiative will also make possible the first legal commercial growing, once cannabis cultivation is regulated and permitted by either local governments or the state.

Q: Will the Initiative attract big business and cut out the little guys, and the cottage industry they have worked so hard to create?

A: The Initiative will actually give local groups an equal opportunity to obtain licenses and/or permits for the sale and cultivation of medical cannabis, adult cannabis, and hemp. Local groups can work with local governments to help determine regulations and licensing for cultivation and sales. The Initiative is also significant in that it allows for personal cultivation by adults.

If your growing the best weed in the world WTF are you worried about. Do you pay Taxes on your income deadbeat.
one half of the nation is working to pay for the other half. Do you recieve goverment assistance?Its illeagal to subsidize
that. What medical patient don't want thier meds to be cheaper.

Your view is F everybody else as long as you can smoke and rip buyers a new asshole price. You are a drug dealer. I
don'tknow the exact laws but you are only allowed to grow enough for yourself right. Not sale it. If you do sell it you are to pay income tax on it.
What kindof dumbass needsto go to college to learn to grow pot. Sounds like a money making scheme to me.
The only why for you to discredit me is to attack my grammer. Dude I have six fingers hard for me to type my complete thoughts.

Polecat said:

Start making meth. Shit thats were the profit margin is.
You obviously don't mind breaking the law for your "career".

Greedy piece of s**t ,only thinking of thier self drug dealers.
Thats why I grow.

Get a JOB deadbeat.

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Fuck meth. Those are the kinds of drugs that should be targeted. Not Cannabis!!! The meth and crack.. and PCP.. shit like that should be what the government should be worried about getting off the streets. Marijuana is a NATURAL PLANT!!!!! It's been here on earth.. ever since it was created. It's natural.. and its a natural growing plant for a reason.... for us to enjoy. If it weren't, it wouldn't be here.. and wouldn't even exist in the first place.

But, that's my opinion. If they want to legalize cannabis.. let them. I think its great!!! Would bring more money into the revenue of whatever state it gets legalized in; it would provide more jobs; certain industries could even use some of the bi-products of marijuana. Such as Hemp.. which can be used as rope... etc.. The positive's of legalizing marijuana, FAAARRRR outweighs the negative's of legalizing it.

But as far as meth; crack and PCP.. drugs like those.. the hard ones.. should be the ones that the government spends there money on.. in order to target those drugs.. and the people dealing them.. and getting both the drugs.. and the dealers that are dealing them off the streets. Those are the drugs that are killing people left and right... including younger people, such as high school kids AND! Junior High kids.. and the ones that don't die from using those kinds of drugs.. they're life's are ruined. Not to even mention how it affects their families as well.. Also, you always hear about how, with those harder drugs that I'm talking about.. you always hear about how when the DEA busts a dealer.. or a drug house (stash house)... you always hear about how they also will have for example: machine guns; AK47's; grenade's.. etc. The violence comes from the ppl dealing those hard drugs..

Violence doesn't come from people like me.. who might have two plants growing at one time. Violence doesn't come from people that just smoke marijuana.. violence comes with.. and from.. those harder drugs such as: crack; meth; PCP; etc... so again, those are the ones that the government needs to focus on getting rid of. The drugs themselves.. you get rid of the drugs.. you get rid of the people dealing them as well.


But again, this is just my opinion. But I do think that, the government should worry more about what I just talked about.. rather than worrying about someone sitting inside their house.. minding their own business.. maybe smoking a bowl or joint to chill out and relax. That person is just trying to chill and relax... not committing a crime.. or starting violence.

K that's all I'm going to say for now.. and again.. its just my opinion.

Thanks for anyone and everyone that took the time to read and understand this post.

Peace everyone!

Ifyou want to college too learn to grow pot. Go to a real college and take botany.

ganjaluvr said:

Fuck meth. Those are the kinds of drugs that should be targeted. Not Cannabis!!! The meth and crack.. and PCP.. shit like that should be what the government should be worried about getting off the streets. Marijuana is a NATURAL PLANT!!!!! It's been here on earth.. ever since it was created. It's natural.. and its a natural growing plant for a reason.... for us to enjoy. If it weren't, it wouldn't be here.. and wouldn't even exist in the first place.

But, that's my opinion. If they want to legalize cannabis.. let them. I think its great!!! Would bring more money into the revenue of whatever state it gets legalized in; it would provide more jobs; certain industries could even use some of the bi-products of marijuana. Such as Hemp.. which can be used as rope... etc.. The positive's of legalizing marijuana, FAAARRRR outweighs the negative's of legalizing it.

But as far as meth; crack and PCP.. drugs like those.. the hard ones.. should be the ones that the government spends there money on.. in order to target those drugs.. and the people dealing them.. and getting both the drugs.. and the dealers that are dealing them off the streets. Those are the drugs that are killing people left and right... including younger people, such as high school kids AND! Junior High kids.. and the ones that don't die from using those kinds of drugs.. they're life's are ruined. Not to even mention how it affects their families as well.. Also, you always hear about how, with those harder drugs that I'm talking about.. you always hear about how when the DEA busts a dealer.. or a drug house (stash house)... you always hear about how they also will have for example: machine guns; AK47's; grenade's.. etc. The violence comes from the ppl dealing those hard drugs..

Violence doesn't come from people like me.. who might have two plants growing at one time. Violence doesn't come from people that just smoke marijuana.. violence comes with.. and from.. those harder drugs such as: crack; meth; PCP; etc... so again, those are the ones that the government needs to focus on getting rid of. The drugs themselves.. you get rid of the drugs.. you get rid of the people dealing them as well.


But again, this is just my opinion. But I do think that, the government should worry more about what I just talked about.. rather than worrying about someone sitting inside their house.. minding their own business.. maybe smoking a bowl or joint to chill out and relax. That person is just trying to chill and relax... not committing a crime.. or starting violence.

K that's all I'm going to say for now.. and again.. its just my opinion.

Thanks for anyone and everyone that took the time to read and understand this post.

Peace everyone!

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I agree this dude is a greedy self serving piece of shit.

i love when buyers cry about prices. can't afford it? don't buy it. the market is based on what the consumer will pay. business 101.


when people don't buy my weed, i lower the price.

what am i missing here?

fdd2blk said:

i love when buyers cry about prices. can't afford it? don't buy it. the market is based on what the consumer will pay. business 101.


when people don't buy my weed, i lower the price.

what am i missing here?

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I can afford it. But what about the people that can't and really need it.
F them. Right

Polecat said:

I can afford it. But what about the people that can't and really need it.
F them. Right

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you show me someone dying in the streets from lack of weed and i will more than happily hand them a bagful. we have people starving, are you donating any food this week?

a lot of people hide behind the facade of sick people to try to get cheaper weed. and then they bad mouth the seller.


are you denying how the market works?

don'thate me for my opion. Sorry for the name calling you got me fired up. Thank you
I am a good guy and my not be the smartest apple. But I am not dumb.
I'm down for the cause growers, dealers, med. users, stoners. MJ should be legal
for everyone to enjoy. Legal or not I will be growing mine anyway only buying
occasionally.

fdd2blk said:

you show me someone dying in the streets from lack of weed and i will more than happily hand them a bagful. we have people starving, are you donating any food this week?

a lot of people hide behind the facade of sick people to try to get cheaper weed. and then they bad mouth the seller.


are you denying how the market works?

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Not at all. The guy that started this post is hiding behind the facade of sick people and profiting from it. I got great friends that are dealers . They complain about the prices too. I could careless about the market I quit dealing years
ago.

I thought for years I was paying the high prices because of the risk involved not for the mj itself.
I thought the prices wouldgo down when mmj bill passed. shows howmuch I know.

I like this argument, though it affects me very little. I'm just surprised by a couple things that people seem to lack in their stances. First, Marijuana is not used like corn, tomatoes, or any other food, you can't complete any portion of your daily nutrition with marijuana. Hell, it's not even close enough to tobacco, remember how it...gets you high? It's not like smoking a tobacco cigarette, although I admit if you smoke them infrequently you get buzzed, but especially for those who smoke tobacco frequently. Even if you smoke marijuana frequently, you still get high. And being special in chemical makeups, potencies, and distributions makes it's $ per lb. special in a similar sense. By no means should an ounce of something that does this for you be $25. How much do you pay for a really good micro-brew compared to a Budweiser? Point I'm trying to make is, it gives you a special feeling (high) no other plant (dried and cured) gives you and it's NOT food and shouldn't ever be compared to food, so the price of it should obviously be looked at differently than other things we consume.
Another thing that rather offends me, is that people on a marijuana growing forum are looking down upon people who are growing marijuana and trying to make a living off of it. It's science, time, learning, trial and error, blood, sweat, patience, etc. the same as growing any other plant and seeking payment for your efforts would be. Why should you have to go to school to become a botanist when you can learn from the plant itself, what better teacher? Is your local university's botanist a large herbaceous plant that puts you through many tribulations, shows you it's every bit of growth, has you form your mind around it, and learn it's secrets? No, they just give things names and make you pay a shit ton of money for a document stored in a database. Plus, what do you want to do with your legitimate botany career? The ETHICAL thing and become a research scientist for those super ETHICAL corn agribusinesses? No thanks. I apologize for my jumpy and scattered thoughts. Just had me some nice kushes.

ThinkSayMakeDo said:

I like this argument, though it affects me very little. I'm just surprised by a couple things that people seem to lack in their stances. First, Marijuana is not used like corn, tomatoes, or any other food, you can't complete any portion of your daily nutrition with marijuana. Hell, it's not even close enough to tobacco, remember how it...gets you high? It's not like smoking a tobacco cigarette, although I admit if you smoke them infrequently you get buzzed, but especially for those who smoke tobacco frequently. Even if you smoke marijuana frequently, you still get high. And being special in chemical makeups, potencies, and distributions makes it's $ per lb. special in a similar sense. By no means should an ounce of something that does this for you be $25. How much do you pay for a really good micro-brew compared to a Budweiser? Point I'm trying to make is, it gives you a special feeling (high) no other plant (dried and cured) gives you and it's NOT food and shouldn't ever be compared to food, so the price of it should obviously be looked at differently than other things we consume.
Another thing that rather offends me, is that people on a marijuana growing forum are looking down upon people who are growing marijuana and trying to make a living off of it. It's science, time, learning, trial and error, blood, sweat, patience, etc. the same as growing any other plant and seeking payment for your efforts would be. Why should you have to go to school to become a botanist when you can learn from the plant itself, what better teacher? Is your local university's botanist a large herbaceous plant that puts you through many tribulations, shows you it's every bit of growth, has you form your mind around it, and learn it's secrets? No, they just give things names and make you pay a shit ton of money for a document stored in a database. Plus, what do you want to do with your legitimate botany career? The ETHICAL thing and become a research scientist for those super ETHICAL corn agribusinesses? No thanks. I apologize for my jumpy and scattered thoughts. Just had me some nice kushes.

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Growing, breeding, or selling pot does not take a college ed.. A piece of paper saying you know how to do it has to be worth about fifty cent.
Anybody that grows pot and would be hiring somebody to work his farm. does not need a college educated man. He needs a man with a strong back and don't speak his language and work for low wages.

WOW, just F'N WOW

ThinkSayMakeDo said:

I like this argument, though it affects me very little. I'm just surprised by a couple things that people seem to lack in their stances. First, Marijuana is not used like corn, tomatoes, or any other food, you can't complete any portion of your daily nutrition with marijuana. Hell, it's not even close enough to tobacco, remember how it...gets you high? It's not like smoking a tobacco cigarette, although I admit if you smoke them infrequently you get buzzed, but especially for those who smoke tobacco frequently. Even if you smoke marijuana frequently, you still get high. And being special in chemical makeups, potencies, and distributions makes it's $ per lb. special in a similar sense. By no means should an ounce of something that does this for you be $25. How much do you pay for a really good micro-brew compared to a Budweiser? Point I'm trying to make is, it gives you a special feeling (high) no other plant (dried and cured) gives you and it's NOT food and shouldn't ever be compared to food, so the price of it should obviously be looked at differently than other things we consume.
Another thing that rather offends me, is that people on a marijuana growing forum are looking down upon people who are growing marijuana and trying to make a living off of it. It's science, time, learning, trial and error, blood, sweat, patience, etc. the same as growing any other plant and seeking payment for your efforts would be. Why should you have to go to school to become a botanist when you can learn from the plant itself, what better teacher? Is your local university's botanist a large herbaceous plant that puts you through many tribulations, shows you it's every bit of growth, has you form your mind around it, and learn it's secrets? No, they just give things names and make you pay a shit ton of money for a document stored in a database. Plus, what do you want to do with your legitimate botany career? The ETHICAL thing and become a research scientist for those super ETHICAL corn agribusinesses? No thanks. I apologize for my jumpy and scattered thoughts. Just had me some nice kushes.

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There are people that grow other medicinal non-food plants for a living, like ginseng for example. They don't profit from the fact they are making a tax-free living by exploiting a grey market and some legal loopholes, the way the people who oppose this law because think it will hurt their profits. Growing plants for money, whether you run a nursery, grow vegetables or grow pot should be hard-work and require a certain amount of skill. If anything, have a legitimate market would weed out some of the less scrupulous commercial growers.

And you guys totally miss the point. Having a large legal market will help people who are already growing commercially, not hurt them.

Everything related to prop 215 stays the way it is.

And again....if this thing goes down there won't be another shot at this for at least 2 years. By that time we will have heard over and over again how even liberal california rejected legal pot because they think it's a bad idea and laws like this will have even less chance of passing, in california or elsewhere. I don't get how people can be so short-sighted and frankly stupid that they think this is a bad idea.

I'm not saying this thing is perfect, but can you name one law that you agree with 100%...?

I am always looking for the best weed when I buy it. If the comm. weed is not that good any pot smoker would know it and seek out local buds grown by someone like you. I know I would. just like my produce and meat. The price would def. go down do to the free market. no reason to be scared of the compitition. A little hard work and you should be able to make a living doing your thing.

Polecat. I am sorry that you have six fingers, I had no idea.

Anyone who thinks that the price of weed should go down, without worrying about the consequences to people who make a living at it are greedy.

Of course, I am a TOTAL HYPOCRITE. I felt no problem at all downloading songs off the internet, and now record stores are failing around the country, not to mention the labels. So what can I say? I want to make money growing marijuana, and while I think that the people will prefer the good shit for a while, it won't be long before they DON'T. Nobody cares what kind of tobacco they smoke these days, and it's only going for $1.75 a pound. I want my friend's Hydroponic business to continue also, but what will become of him?

I also have to point out that this will be a GRADUAL change. While the law will not severely change things right away. The fear is what the corporations will do with it all. Need I educate you all on lobbying? Here is your official lesson: Big Corporations fuck everyone over but their own CEOs and shareholders.

I'm not afraid of a little hard work, not at all. That's in fact, exactly what I'm on about. I'm trying to get through to you all on this one, and I hope you are starting to understand.

abe23 said:

There are people that grow other medicinal non-food plants for a living, like ginseng for example. They don't profit from the fact they are making a tax-free living by exploiting a grey market and some legal loopholes, the way the people who oppose this law because think it will hurt their profits. Growing plants for money, whether you run a nursery, grow vegetables or grow pot should be hard-work and require a certain amount of skill. If anything, have a legitimate market would weed out some of the less scrupulous commercial growers.

And you guys totally miss the point. Having a large legal market will help people who are already growing commercially, not hurt them.

Everything related to prop 215 stays the way it is.

And again....if this thing goes down there won't be another shot at this for at least 2 years. By that time we will have heard over and over again how even liberal california rejected legal pot because they think it's a bad idea and laws like this will have even less chance of passing, in california or elsewhere. I don't get how people can be so short-sighted and frankly stupid that they think this is a bad idea.

I'm not saying this thing is perfect, but can you name one law that you agree with 100%...?

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thank god we'll never hear of all that gay marriage BS again. that was getting old.