Why not pollinate your first grow to get more seeds?

Just to clarify things.... I'm not talking about pollinating your plants EVERY time, just when someone get's the seeds for the 1st time and get's a male or two.
And yes, I myself would only pollinate a branch or two, but a new grower will find it easier to just let nature take it's course.

Okay my bad I apologize I thought u were saying for new growers to pollinate but Im willing to bet that a new grower would or has a great chance of fucking it up and pollinating the whole damn thing lol I mean I am still dumbfounded when I see post that say oh shoot I killed my plant don't know how though lol I'm sorry if you can kill a weed plant in which I've tried and it's not easy unless you get out the shears lol you shouldn't be growing weed

Rj41 said:

Obviously a noobee.

A plant grown from seed will have more branching, leading to more bud sites, which in turn produces a higher yielding plant.

That is fact and not debatable.

Do some research and get your facts straight before you open your mouth, Noobee.

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You can get all the bud sites you want by topping. There is no significant change in yield when you compare clone to seed.

I know this from experience.

Singed "Noobee"

Rj41 said:

Obviously a noobee.

A plant grown from seed will have more branching, leading to more bud sites, which in turn produces a higher yielding plant.

That is fact and not debatable.

Do some research and get your facts straight before you open your mouth, Noobee.

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Clones grow slower than F1 hybrid plants grown from seed. An F1 hybrid is the heterozygous first filial generation - pollen and ovule. F1 hybrids have " hybrid vigor " which means that this cross will grow about 25 percent bigger and stronger than cuttings. Hybrid vigor also makes plants less suseptible to pests and disease problems. Jorge's bible.

I mean are we talking a gram difference here? lol

i made my own seeds.......this is the result.............bubblebomb 12-12 from seed......

Sloanz, I don't think you're understanding the term hybrid vigor correctly. You're not comparing a clone and a seed. You're comparing the original strain and the hybrid cross strain. "F1 hybrids are often bigger and more robust than either of the parent populations used in the creation of the F1 population. For example, a skunk #1 x blueberry hybrid may grow faster and yield more than either the pure skunk #1 pr blueberry population."

However, this has nothing to do with cloning. In fact, you can have perpetual harvests of an F1 hybrid mother and not only take advantage of hybrid vigor but have a more thc potent plant as I mentioned above. To recap, hybrid vigor is ONLY a term used for breeding, not cloning.

And I would encourage rj41 to back up his "facts" as I have

This thread definately has me thinking.....

LOL. Jorge Cervantes, LOL ............ sorry..... sorry...... I'm still LOLing ..........

You guys keep trying to rationalize your beliefs with nonsense. I'm sorry but you're wrong.

Fact: seed grown mj plants have 2 branches per node until the plant starts reaching 'adulthood' (for lack of the proper word).
Fact: clones, because they come from an 'adult' plant, only have one branch at each node.

Now, employ simple common sense and you'll see that I'm correct.
I'll even help you out with a hint - 2 branches vs 1 branch.

Sure, through topping and longer veg time, etc. you can get equal or better yields than a seed grown plant of the same strain, but if left alone, and with all growing factors being the same, the seed grown plant will out produce a clone every single time.

I understand what you are saying...but the 2 facts you listed are irrelevant
You dont have 2 branches per node when u flower,so that reason wont give you more bud

Actually they're not irrelevant, and you do have 2 branches per main stem node (at the bottom of the plan) when you flower with a seed started plant.
I've seen as many as 8 nodes with 2 branches each before the plant switches over to 1 branch at every node.

More branches=more bud sites=more total yield.

moash, you surprise me. I thought you'd have known this.

At the bottom of the plant????The part that people usually trim???The part that gets the less yeild???
You win....I can't debate that
Mine usually alternate to one before switching to flower....
But,lets just let the OP talk about HIS topic
People need to stop trying to show how big their balls are...

Rj, not trying to be rude but that's simply incorrect. Just because mature cuttings have alternating nodes does not mean they have less. It's simply a function of mature (and therefore potent) plants that nodes alternate sides. I will repeat, they do not have less nodes, they alternate.

In 4 weeks time, I could give you a clone twice the size of a seedling, more advanced, potent, and with more bud sites than a seedling. Your "math" is ridiculous.

As moash also pointed out, nodes revert to popping out together after 10 days. You have cloned before right?

Destillat said:

As moash also pointed out, nodes revert to popping out together after 10 days. You have cloned before right?

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Im starting to think he has never grown

I know man. I think it's great that a forum like this exists so everybody can get different perspectives and knowledge, but I swear half my time is spent correcting misinformation. I guess it makes up for the fact that the other half of my time is spent learning from people who are ten times the grower I am lol.

moash said:

Im starting to think he has never grown

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Seriously, I've seen guys on here giving advice on how to grow and they openly admit they've never grown!

moash said:

At the bottom of the plant????The part that people usually trim???The part that gets the less yeild???
You win....I can't debate that
Mine usually alternate to one before switching to flower....
But,lets just let the OP talk about HIS topic
People need to stop trying to show how big their balls are...

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moash, stop.... you keep trying to prove me wrong but you can't.

Hey, if removing branches and leaves, and flushing your soil, and any of the other eff'd up practices that reduce yield are your thing, more power to you. Keep doing that if it makes you happy.

Hybrid vigor? The plants we grow are so far removed from wild type cannabis that hybrid vigor isn't a factor. Everything we grow is a hybrid and from a long line of previous hybrids. Unless you're working with original crosses from landrace strains hybrid vigor doesn't enter into it. There are "horticultural" hybrids, like the type we're familiar with, which are crosses of two different strains. People do this to breed desirable characteristics into or undesirable characteristics out of their plants. Then there are "biological" hybrids, which are crosses of two organisms of the same species that have different characteristics due to geographic isolation. Hybrid vigor is only going to apply to the latter.

In regards to the OP's discussion, I move around a lot, so I always try to have a stash of seed to start over from. I pollinate my initial grows and keep the seed, then grow with mothers/clones from then on for convenience. If I'm fortunate enough to stay in one place for a couple years, I'll pollinate again for some fresh seed. In fact I just pollinated my current grow this week (due to a recent move). I ordered seeds last year for the first time in about five years because my stash got lost in a move, but other than that I try to be as self-sufficient as I can. Probably a result of my paranoia more than anything, but I try to keep other people (i.e. seedbanks, the USPS, etc.) out of my garden as much as possible. Coming up on 20 years growing off and on without an incident, so I guess it's served me well.

Oh, I've never kept data in my journals on branching and whatever that other guy said about seeds vs. clones and better harvest from seed, but like I said I've grown with both for ~20 years, and I call bullshit on that. My impression is that yields are (or are potentially) equal. I think people probably flower clones sooner than plants grown from seed because they are able to, that's the only reason I can think of that would lead to an impression like that.