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canndo

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agreed^ .........and how did you come up with that figure?

130,000 gas stations x $250,000. The 250k is a round number, it can be much less but consider what it takes to have a gaseous fuel filling station - the metering is different, the connections need to be secure, the tank has to be foolproof, in some states these tanks must be "vaults" and/or underground. I have a friend who recently sold his company and that is what his company did - install fuel stations for municipalities.

If you have ever used a gaseous fuel car there are some problems. The tank level is not a constant, so you really never know how much further you can go on a given volume of fuel. You need a certain pressure in order to start the car, different fuel stations deliver different pressures and of course, if you run out of fuel - you gotta be towed.
 

Corso312

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I can come to your home with a 12 " pipe wrench..pipe dope..2$ tee...a couple nipples and check valve, regulator and ball valve..less than 100$ including labor..half the homes in this country have natural gas at their home..
 

canndo

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I can come to your home with a 12 " pipe wrench..pipe dope..2$ tee...a couple nipples and check valve, regulator and ball valve..less than 100$ including labor..half the homes in this country have natural gas at their home..

Not talking about homes Corso, talking about cars.
 

ChesusRice

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I can come to your home with a 12 " pipe wrench..pipe dope..2$ tee...a couple nipples and check valve, regulator and ball valve..less than 100$ including labor..half the homes in this country have natural gas at their home..

Guy heated his swimming pool for over 10 years
Got busted when he went to sell his house

He is in prison right now
They still cant figure out how he got away with it for 10 years
 

Corso312

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why not have 50-60 % of the country fill up at home and pay their supplier that already has the pipelines in place?
 

canndo

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why not have 50-60 % of the country fill up at home and pay their supplier that already has the pipelines in place?

The home fueling stations cost about 3 or 4k each less installation and they take a long time to fill your car. I think you are forgetting that energy density of natgas is pretty low so you have to have it compressed to about 3,000 lbs per square inch. ( I think this number is correct)
 

Corso312

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so the compressor is what costs 3k? seems like it could be done much cheaper...I know a guy that converts vehicles to butane or propane..can't remember which one and he does it very cheap...he moved to utah to start a business doing it..I believe he told me that he converted both his trucks over for under 150$ per truck and less than an hour in labor.
 

ChesusRice

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so the compressor is what costs 3k? seems like it could be done much cheaper...I know a guy that converts vehicles to butane or propane..can't remember which one and he does it very cheap...he moved to utah to start a business doing it..I believe he told me that he converted both his trucks over for under 150$ per truck and less than an hour in labor.
Natural gas
electric
or something else

The country that gets a handle on its energy consumption will be the one to rule the world
Our goverment helped fund the trans continental railroad

Why cant we work on this?
 

Corso312

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Guy heated his swimming pool for over 10 years
Got busted when he went to sell his house

He is in prison right now
They still cant figure out how he got away with it for 10 years




LOl man...I know a couple dozen people who did the same thing...one got caught and there was no jail time man...just a theft of services and he has been paying restitution...the guy you speak of must have had a body or 2 under that swimming pool or someone is breaking your balls.
 

ChesusRice

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LOl man...I know a couple dozen people who did the same thing...one got caught and there was no jail time man...just a theft of services and he has been paying restitution...the guy you speak of must have had a body or 2 under that swimming pool or someone is breaking your balls.
A New Berlin man pleaded no contest Thursday to charges that he shaved up to $32,000 off his natural gas bill by bypassing his meter to heat his home, outbuilding and 39,000-gallon in-ground swimming pool for more than 20 years.
Warren J. Krohn did not admit installing the bypass that investigators and a utility crew found in 2005 during an unusual raid at his home, but he acknowledged that he knew it was there.
"His position is that he didn't install it, and that he doesn't know who did," Krohn's attorney, Robert D'Arruda, told a reporter after the brief plea hearing. "But at some point in time, he realized it was there, and he didn't pick up the phone and report it.
"He just let it ride."
Krohn, 67, entered the plea to a charge of felony theft after reaching a plea agreement with the Waukesha County district attorney's office.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to recommend five years of probation for Krohn when he is sentenced June 15 by Circuit Judge J. Mac Davis.
In addition to probation, prosecutors plan to recommend that Krohn serve a "lengthy" jail term, undergo criminal-thinking counseling and pay restitution for the stolen gas to We Energies.
A criminal complaint says We Energies received an anonymous letter in fall 2005 from someone irritated at how Krohn was "laughing" about heating his pool and outbuildings at a reduced cost "for over 20 years" but was worried about being caught when he put his home up for sale.
At the time, Krohn had the home listed for $699,000. Krohn still owns the home on Cold Spring Road and has taken it off the market for the time being, D'Arruda said.
 

Corso312

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He will serve no time...and that is about as bad as you can get..39k gallon pool and outbuildings and home...gotta be in the neighborhood of a two hundred grand...His big mouth got him..people get jealous and snitch.
 

Corso312

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I am not ready to say that just yet but I don't like him playing games with Jessies money..Mike had to go..he had it coming.
 

ChesusRice

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I am not ready to say that just yet but I don't like him playing games with Jessies money..Mike had to go..he had it coming.
.

MIke was a cold blooded killer and a hard ass
But he actually cared for his family and freinds

Walt needs to die
Painfully

He has fucked over everyone in his life
 

Corso312

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Yeah, putting a gun in Walt's face and threatening to kill him at least a half dozen times over he last 7 or 8 episodes and he handcuffed his ass to a radiator ...Mike was wrong and it brought heat down on everyone..the woman was right..should have killed off that list and they be all good right now.
 

ChesusRice

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Yeah, putting a gun in Walt's face and threatening to kill him at least a half dozen times over he last 7 or 8 episodes and he handcuffed his ass to a radiator ...Mike was wrong and it brought heat down on everyone..the woman was right..should have killed off that list and they be all good right now.
Ok
Your right on that
Walt is still a bigger asshole

and remember what Mike said about working for Gus
That's true also
 

canndo

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so the compressor is what costs 3k? seems like it could be done much cheaper...I know a guy that converts vehicles to butane or propane..can't remember which one and he does it very cheap...he moved to utah to start a business doing it..I believe he told me that he converted both his trucks over for under 150$ per truck and less than an hour in labor.

Normaly aspirated engines are pretty easy to modify but injectors and the corresponding chips usually cost more than $150 bucks plus in some states you have to jump through hoops to get your emissions certified. And then there is the piping and the size of the tank. Most of the vehicles I have ever seen converted were pickups and the tank had to be carried in the bed. I worked with IMPCO, one of the leading gaseous fuel equipment manufacturers - they made carbs for fork lifts and the like. Back then, if we sprang for the conversion we could get free fuel for as long as we worked there. Some guys put two or three tanks in their trucks so they could travel for a thousand miles on the company dime. I don't remember what the gaseous fuel was though - CNG?
 
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