Will government shutdown make slaves of military personnel?

If soldiers are instructed to remain at their assigned duty stations or face serious consequences, but their pay doesn't come in, are they now in a kind of involuntary servitude / slavery status?

Would they be "protected by the constitution" by refusing to serve or obey, since their constitution prohibits involuntary servitude?

Rob Roy said:

If soldiers are instructed to remain at their assigned duty stations or face serious consequences, but their pay doesn't come in, are they now in a kind of involuntary servitude / slavery status?

Would they be "protected by the constitution" by refusing to serve or obey, since their constitution prohibits involuntary servitude?

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No and no. They are aware their pay will show up eventually. It is nothing like slavery.

and then again, there is that oath thing . . .

gonnagro said:

No and no. They are aware their pay will show up eventually. It is nothing like slavery.

and then again, there is that oath thing . . .

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Did you know the constitution forbids a standing army ?

Rob Roy said:

Did you know the constitution forbids a standing army ?

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you don't believe in the constitution, spoonertard.

Rob Roy said:

Did you know the constitution forbids a standing army ?

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No, I didn't. Well we haven't been following that for a considerable amount of time.

Nevertheless the soldiers will get their pay eventually which is not slavery.Technically there all there because they volunteered to be.

Rob Roy said:

If soldiers are instructed to remain at their assigned duty stations or face serious consequences, but their pay doesn't come in, are they now in a kind of involuntary servitude / slavery status?

Would they be "protected by the constitution" by refusing to serve or obey, since their constitution prohibits involuntary servitude?

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No-one can work for the Federal Govt for free, it's illegal.

UncleBuck said:

you don't believe in the constitution, spoonertard.

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I know, isn't it funny?

SneekyNinja said:

No-one can work for the Federal Govt for free, it's illegal.

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So if the "government shutdown" keeps people from being paid, who don't want to work unless paid, and they are directed to keep working, is that a form of involuntary servitude?

Rob Roy said:

If soldiers are instructed to remain at their assigned duty stations or face serious consequences, but their pay doesn't come in, are they now in a kind of involuntary servitude / slavery status?

Would they be "protected by the constitution" by refusing to serve or obey, since their constitution prohibits involuntary servitude?

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my company withheld my 100% commissions last year until customer paid their invoice yet showed the revenue to VC..naughty, naughty..

it's hard to live on an IOU..plus since the clock started on boarded revenue (30 days), it turns into a little situation for them called payroll tax evasion among other things.

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schuylaar said:

my company withheld my 100% commissions last year until customer paid their invoice yet showed the revenue to VC..naughty, naughty..

it's hard to live on an IOU.

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Yes it is hard to live on an IOU.

Ironically, the Federal Gov't. becomes indebted to the Federal Reserve in order to pay Federal Employees and it is this very habit of IOU financing that is creating the unintended consequences of the "shutdown". Also, when I say the Federal Government becomes indebted, it's a bit of a misnomer, since no person is actually indebted, instead it's claimed all of "the people" bear this debt, with or without their consent. So, they'll tax people more to try to remove "money" from circulation in order to prolong the borrowing funny money cycle.

The way the Federal Government will address this shutdown is to authorize even more borrowing ( there's that IOU again) by raising their debt ceiling. Which is like saying hey if, or rather WHEN the fire breaks out we need to make sure there's plenty of gasoline around to throw on it.


Sooner or later though, Federal pensions start getting cut, unless they can create some other kind of world calamity or war as a distraction...fun times ahead.

Rob Roy said:

So if the "government shutdown" keeps people from being paid, who don't want to work unless paid, and they are directed to keep working, is that a form of involuntary servitude?

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unless they make you sign for it (pay plan) and are told they will withhold your unlivable (on purpose) base until you sign. Schuylaar was officially the last to do so out of 100 other reps..that reminds me..i'll make certain to have a copy of those communications from SVP of Marketing and Sales on my personal hard drive. I'm sure the The Federal Department of Labor will still have an interest. The IRS most certainly will. They don't like it when you screw employees (by not showing expenses payable on said revenue ie LARGE amounts of payroll taxes), so much so, as punishment, they will make offending employer pay BOTH sides of taxes (EE and ER) penalty and interest.

schuylaar said:

my company withheld my 100% commissions last year until customer paid their invoice yet showed the revenue to VC..naughty, naughty..

it's hard to live on an IOU..plus since the clock started on boarded revenue (30 days), it turns into a little situation for them called payroll tax evasion among other things.

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How can you "earn 6 figures" and yet without a months salary you cant live?

Tax scam not working out?

SneekyNinja said:

How can you "earn 6 figures" and yet without a months salary you cant live?

Tax scam not working out?

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Actually the tax scam could be part of the problem. You do know that most people are not permitted to keep all that they earn right?

So, anyway I'm curious of your opinion regarding a government shutdown. If it includes no payment to military, does it create a kind of involuntary servitude ? Should the soldiers disobey "unconstitutional orders" to continue to be held in involuntary servitude?

Rob Roy said:

Actually the tax scam could be part of the problem. You do know that most people are not permitted to keep all that they earn right?

So, anyway I'm curious of your opinion regarding a government shutdown. If it includes no payment to military, does it create a kind of involuntary servitude ? Should the soldiers disobey "unconstitutional orders" to continue to be held in involuntary servitude?

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They're paid retroactively when the shutdown ends.

How are they slaves if the Govt is a debtor to them?

SneekyNinja said:

They're paid retroactively when the shutdown ends.

How are they slaves if the Govt is a debtor to them?

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They are slaves if they are

Not being paid for their labor and are under threat of harm if they try to leave the situation.



Also, a standing army is prohibited by the constitution, you knew that right?

Rob Roy said:

They are slaves if they are

Not being paid for their labor and are under threat of harm if they try to leave the situation.



Also, a standing army is prohibited by the constitution, you knew that right?

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did slaves often sign employment contracts, like soldiers do?

pedophile

Rob Roy said:

They are slaves if they are

Not being paid for their labor and are under threat of harm if they try to leave the situation.



Also, a standing army is prohibited by the constitution, you knew that right?

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are you a slave if you file taxes ? Are you a slave when you use a social security number ?
and I now see that although your writing skills are seemingly outstanding, your reading comprehension is rather lacking.
A standing army is not prohibited by the Constitution, but instead no monies will be used to fund unless voted on ever two years. Which is done. Do you wish to discuss our Navy and Air force.

Article I Section 8 power of Congress
. To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years.

Relax, these did not shut down

Social Security , Medicare and Medicaid, U.S. Postal Service, Special counsel Mueller’s Russia investigation, Local parks, schools, libraries and city government buildings, Airports, Federal prisons, Veteran’s hospitals, Federal courts, Congress, IRS customer service, Federal financial aid, Food inspection,Amtrak, Mcdonalds

UncleBuck said:

did slaves often sign employment contracts, like soldiers do?

pedophile

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Do you find it odd that you refer to a voluntary contract as being a legitimate instrument and then when I ask you where the voluntary contract is between the government and the people for are forced to pay for "protection" you go mute?