Will Mueller be fired?

Huckster79

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What tone should possible protests take? Candle light marches? Sit-iners filling the jails? Angry people with bricks and torches?
Definetly not the bricks... i think if it comes to this violence will occur, but i pray not from the anti trump side. We must maintain who we are and not succumb to the lowest common denominator of uncivilized humanity: violence. We must maintain moral character to be able to patch up this Republic after the damage trump and his maga minions have done.
 

ttystikk

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What tone should possible protests take? Candle light marches? Sit-iners filling the jails? Angry people with bricks and torches?
I like the idea of surrounding the residences of offending officials and chanting protest slogans all day and all night. As long as they stay on the sidewalk they can't be arrested for trespassing.
 

ttystikk

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everthing donald trump touches turns to shit and dies.

look at all the people he has fired already. now he is complaining about people he appointed. fucking moron.
'Fucking moron'. That's a direct quote from one of the people he hired; Sec State Tex Drillerson.
 

ttystikk

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Definetly not the bricks... i think if it comes to this violence will occur, but i pray not from the anti trump side. We must maintain who we are and not succumb to the lowest common denominator of uncivilized humanity: violence. We must maintain moral character to be able to patch up this Republic after the damage trump and his maga minions have done.
The problem is that the damage can't just be blamed on the Republican Party; the Democratic Party is just as complicit.

Both party's fingerprints are all over the following: Eroding civil rights and militarized police at home, constant distraction over foreign aggression, corporate owned media broadcasting the approved narrative, rampant censorship by private entities (Google and Facebook, among others), corporate control of government and regulatory capture.

I'd say we're already a Fascist State. The only question left is whether it's already gone too far to be reined in by the citizens.
 

A.K.A. Overgrowem

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According to the search engine, this is her first post:



It hasn't gotten much better, has it?
Certainly not polished but improvements in almost every aspect of discourse, some more, some less. The real improvements are, she doesn't defend the indefensible as often and meltdowns in grammatic composition are no longer the norm.
 
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Fogdog

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Don't you remember?

Come has already done it once; he fired Comey, who was also investigating the President.

America has never banned a political party for treason. The Republican Party won't be the first, no matter what they've done.

We live in a corporatocracy now. If the Fortune 500 wills it, It Shall Be Done.

Here's the best hope we have left;
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/robert-reich-american-oligarchs-day-reckoning-nigh

The trouble is that it will require We the People to act and in a unified fashion. I frankly don't see it happening.
The question wasn't "can Trump fire Mueller?"

Thanks for answering a question that we already knew the answer to.
 

greg nr

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"Can he fire muehler" is a silly question. He can. The question we need him think about is "at what cost?".

The constitution gives the president broad powers over how he manages the executive branch. There is no congressional law (the gop let the independent prosecutor law expire) in place to stop him.

The "office" of the special council isn't even established by law. It is a ruling established by a former USAG and set as policy in the agency. Any AG can undo that rule and abolish the office completely. They don't need to fire muehler, the office and all of its authority would be gone, and muehler and his entire staff would be without standing; many wouldn't even be gov't employees since they were brought in as contractors.

Now muehler would surely start a court battle to keep operating, but that isn't a sure thing. It might take a couple of months for the courts to hear the case, and it would end up at scotus. But he could keep working while that goes on. But eventually, there will be a ruling, and I don't trust this scotus one little bit.

So yes, the orange douchebag can get rid of muehler and essentially bury all work product. The FBI could just notify the courts it is dropping all charges and that would be that.

Except that the constitution does have a remedy. Impeachment. But, that will require 19 republican senators to vote to convict, and those votes don't exist.

So what a ride that would be. But in the end, either trump would be gone or our democracy will be. Once he realizes he won't be impeached, no matter what the charges are, he will move on eliminating media opposition, and really anything that criticizes him or doesn't kiss his arse.

None of the options are particularly encouraging when we are dealing with someone who needs 2 hands to drink out of a sippy cup and who talks with putin more frequently than he talks with the gop leadership..
 

ttystikk

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Thye didn't repeal the ACA but they broke the funding model. Trump did that a long time ago, nothing new here. This tax bill simply formalizes this.

Those damn Democrats, right tty?
You say that like the Democrats will save us from their funding source.

I don't share your optimism.
 

ttystikk

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"Can he fire muehler" is a silly question. He can. The question we need him think about is "at what cost?".

The constitution gives the president broad powers over how he manages the executive branch. There is no congressional law (the gop let the independent prosecutor law expire) in place to stop him.

The "office" of the special council isn't even established by law. It is a ruling established by a former USAG and set as policy in the agency. Any AG can undo that rule and abolish the office completely. They don't need to fire muehler, the office and all of its authority would be gone, and muehler and his entire staff would be without standing; many wouldn't even be gov't employees since they were brought in as contractors.

Now muehler would surely start a court battle to keep operating, but that isn't a sure thing. It might take a couple of months for the courts to hear the case, and it would end up at scotus. But he could keep working while that goes on. But eventually, there will be a ruling, and I don't trust this scotus one little bit.

So yes, the orange douchebag can get rid of muehler and essentially bury all work product. The FBI could just notify the courts it is dropping all charges and that would be that.

Except that the constitution does have a remedy. Impeachment. But, that will require 19 republican senators to vote to convict, and those votes don't exist.

So what a ride that would be. But in the end, either trump would be gone or our democracy will be. Once he realizes he won't be impeached, no matter what the charges are, he will move on eliminating media opposition, and really anything that criticizes him or doesn't kiss his arse.

None of the options are particularly encouraging when we are dealing with someone who needs 2 hands to drink out of a sippy cup and who talks with putin more frequently than he talks with the gop leadership..
The only part I disagree with is your assertion that we might lose our democracy.

It's already long gone.
 
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