winterizing ftw

Winterized LemonSkunk

sorry vp and twitch, perhaps im misunderstanding but are you guys saying that for clarity its better NOT to freeze?

I believe that the clarity of the finished oil has nothing to do necessarily with the "waxes" from the plant material as they are removed during winterization, but perhaps some kind of reaction that happens under certain heat or vacuum conditions. I'm not sure, but i prefer clear and not waxy

we all have our special ways that we think works best. I dont see how freezing helps much when youre doing a 15+ minute blast. after 2 minutes the bud in the chamber is now room temp, or butane temp as the lowest so I just cant understand why the freezer helps so much.

I dont think freezing has anything to do with clarity, ive been making clear oil for almost 5 years now and never froze once.

we all have our own special tricks and beliefs that we swear work though, some crazier than others.

and ive had oil that is super clear, and loaded with waxes, so no the clarity has nothing to do with waxes. I dont know what the hell makes it clear and what makes it foggy.

I think youre right, I can turn clear oil into foggy shit wax just by having it sit in the vacuum chamber for a few days. I also perfer clear glass and not waxy stuff.

freezing material keeps it fresher imo. thats what i did.

yeah for sure it helps keep fresh bud fresh,

but lets pretend you just bought 4 ozs of already cured and ready to go bud that hasnt been in the freezer. I believe he dusts his, then freezes it, then blasts it. I imagine within 1 minute of blasting the weed has changed temp so much (either warmed or cooled more) that the freezer part is irrelevant? me and twitch have totally opposite techniques. he freeezes his bud then shoots the outside of the chamber with a temp gun, I just use room temp bud and frozen butane with a temp probe.

I think the main deciding factor is the starting material, and how much ya got.

some of these guys are running 8 ozs of AAA bud and only using 4 cans of butane, dont matter how shitty their technique is itll still end up decent every time.

other guys are using 4 grams of super junk bud and trying every trick in the book to get a nice golden shatter.

cant make chicken soup outta chicken shit.

I think as long as youre starting with primo material, thats 95% of the battle already won right there.

The material i have run was cured over a 1-2 month period and frozen for 1-2 weeks. Trichomes were stripped very nicely and all my runs so far have been decent shatter with gold coloration. At first i was skeptical about moisture getting into the bags. I just doubled them up in heavy duty bags and took a shot in the dark. Payed off pretty well. The bud i was blasting wasnt the best either. It had decent smell and ok trich coverage.

VP have you ever tried freezing prior?
if not a comparison must be done ASAP

ohh how long i blast as in run butane through it. only 2 mins tops but the temps of my material are lower then the butane, by 40 degrees

Twitch. said:

ohh how long i blast as in run butane through it. only 2 mins tops but the temps of my material are lower then the butane, by 40 degrees

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2 mins tops??? how many cans are you running. 1 can for me takes nearly 2 minutes....

those 40 degree temp differences... is that before or after blasting?

texas, I think I tried it once. I grind the bud to dust, and put the whole damn extractor and butane into the freezer. it was long ago and only once, but as far as I could tell was the same.

I unfortunately quit smokin 5 days ago so I cant test it anymore!

when the material is cold like that is rushes through the tube 3 cans, and that is before blasting its in between -75 and -104 C, the butane wants to go to a colder area, thats how the close looped systems work that dont have pumps they put the recovery tank in ice water and a heating pad on the tank that has the butane in it.

yeah the butane part going to a colder area makes sense as the -50 butane would be trying to heat up the -100 material. so before blasting, your bud in the extractor is -75C?? how about half way through the blasting process, whats the temp?

with my cans of colibri, fully depressed, it takes well over a minute to completely drain them... the opening in the tip is only so big! it takes me about 5 mins to do a blast with 3 cans. I figure by the 2nd minute, the buds temp has changed to much that the freezers temp didnt even help.

random fact. did you know absolute zero is -263 celcius./-450F if I remember right.

which means that when your weed is -100 degrees C ~ hell well go with -200 degrees celcius ~ that you can STILL PULL HEAT out of your -200C bud. interesting eh?

also, youre not JUST using a freezer, youre using dry ice right?

maybe if I get back into it ill def give the freezer a try and see how she goes.

because i am winterizing my stuff, i dry it out in a food dehydrator for a few hours before i bust it up. I figure this doesn't hurt because the winterization should remove the plant stuffs that i'll get from drying it. Then i've been packing it into the tube very tight and compacted and freezing for a while before blasting. Freezing the butane as well. You guys have me wondering now tho.

we all will end up being pro at this rate. if you arent already

look in to a deep freezer vp i found this one for 150 bucks on craigslist and i took that 1 inch foam board they use in houses for insulation and made a top insulation barrier 3 inches thick, this just help keep my dry ice around longer.

The deep freezer is cool for winterizing also it is larger enough to where u can do the filtering in the freezer

yeah a deep freeze would be nice, im in a small apartment right now so just got the ol fridge/freezer deal.

Twitch. said:

look in to a deep freezer vp i found this one for 150 bucks on craigslist and i took that 1 inch foam board they use in houses for insulation and made a top insulation barrier 3 inches thick, this just help keep my dry ice around longer.

The deep freezer is cool for winterizing also it is larger enough to where u can do the filtering in the freezer

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great idea im going to have to do the same to my deep freezer

I have strong suspicions that my winterized oil going waxy has to do with moisture/humidity. So im currently winterizing a run that i did not freeze the material or the tane. When i vac it it will be in a closed off cooled room. Hopefully no waxy waxy.

the waxing is going to happen with time,it doesn't mean there are contaminants, you can go find the best rock hard shatter leave it out exposed to the air and it will budder up in a week maybe 2, but it will turn waxy.

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yeah a deep freeze would be nice, im in a small apartment right now so just got the ol fridge/freezer deal.

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the frig freezer can work too, probably better because it is a smaller space, just put 10 pounds of dry ice in there with ur next tube wait 12 to 24 hours and then blast.

even a small cooler would work great
I just got a small Yeti cooler that would be legit!