CaliMackdaddy
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Was just a silly idea, wouldn't do it full scale at all haha ..
World Of Hempy
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smoothness
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Then is there a better way of running Hempy on a big sscale like mines but making of easier to water?
jela10
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Solo cups of coco get really light in mass when the plants drink up everything...you might want to fasten them down so they don't float up and tilt/fall over when the flood level comes up. That is, if the only hole is on the side.
kingramo
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Hey guys I have sum pics im gonna be posting later on! Its my first grow and I have a 2 week blue mistic a 1 week ww and blackberry and bubblicious I just transplanted. 3 of them are in rw / perlite and my bubblicious is in 75% hydroton and topped off with perlite since I didn't have enough. I built a 2x2x4 grow box but I fucked up the intake and outake holes and when flowering starts the smell is gonna be leaking out everywhere. So im gonna convert a 2x2x2 cab into a grow box! Im growing in half liter coke bottles and coffee cans but I think im gonna try vegetable cans later on in the 2x2x2 grow box
jela10
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Dank, yes the taco or conoe like leaves at the base of my colas are something I've been plagued with forever and it may be the price I pay for pushing the limits. It even occurs under LED's were heat is not a concern. Never occurs down lower on the plants. I too place my fan such that it blows around the tent in a circle at top bud level to ensure they stay cool next to the HPS and to prevent bud rot at this stage. (it also keeps white flies down low where the traps are (LOL)). Sometimes I think the air-flow is the root cause. I have an IR gun simililar to your pic and it's become an essential part of my daily checks. Even comes in handy in the kitchen. I shoot my wife with it every now and then to see if she's pissed at me.Very nice jela10! You are by far the master of the 2 gallon bucket! As your padewan, I will try my best to follow. The colas are so massive! even your C99 responded in a similar fashion. Love the foxtail and you're at that fun stage between wanting to chop and being amazed at the bud swelling
edit:
In looking at the pics again, I noticed some leaf taco'ing at the top. What are the temps like on the massive cola? One thing I wanted to pick up is one of these (saw it on breaking bad):
I put a fan level with the top of my colas to keep them cool with the light being 6" away.
Temp at tips of cola's now range from 79° to 85°. Tent mid level is 68°. Its getting down to 25° outside right now (anomally where I live) and our indoor humidity is way down to 20↑%.
jela10
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I thought I had found the perfect oscillating fan for my tent but when I hang it upside down from the top of the tent the darned thing starts skipping gears in the oscillator mechanism. Any suggestions out there? A 12" fan is a little to big and powerfull for my tent and that's the size I see the most when searching for "ocillating" fans.
Moebius
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Smooth - Stick with whats working for you brutha.
Its going to be hard work either way, you and I know this, but keep at it with the regular feeds your way and get your plants to harvest. You'll figure what works best for you along the way.
As I may have said in a previous post, the key to success on a bigger scale will be the discipline of it all. ....also ... As you go through on this run you will naturally find little time saving tricks specific to your setup. ... soon you'll find the most efficient way to work your OP.
Your plants looks great, so youre defo doing it right. .... I might just caution that as they go into bud, good ventilation becomes much more important.
Moebius
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hey mo, them cheese grew like i never seen before, then fucking root rot has kicked in ffs. i think a rapid replant into soil is required. i shall try again with a couple of jack herers i got going.
Damn! Why do you think this occurred?
Ive never seen a root rot personally but its not hard to imagine what its like.
jela10
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If you have ever looked up the term hydroponics you will see a lot about William Frederick Gericke of the University of California at Berkeley back in 1929 and his 25 tomato plants. To study even deeper about his crude techniques you will find an interesting relationship to todays hempy style of growing and DWC (deep water culture). He started with a reservoir bucket or a lined hole in the ground of mineral enriched water with a screen atop where he placed a litter of excelsior. He germed his seeds in the litter and once the roots got a certain distance into the res, he would lift the screen a little so that air would surround a portion of the roots length. Notes were made that he could aid the airflow through the res with apertures in the side. He also knew about algae and such mentioning the need for the littler to completely cover the bin of mineralized water (nutes). The growing number of requests on how he grew the monsters lead him away from Berkeley to write a book on hydo. He claimed that he really did discover the process at home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics
As a follower of DaliHempy who largely made the hempy method popular on another forum, (first perlite, then coco coir), I always remembered him claiming that he didnt come up with this idea. His hempy buckets were simply a DYI version of a kit he bought when he was younger. Well, low and behold, while I was reading about Gericke above, a link took me to the writings of a young college student in 1969 named Peggy Bradley who was tired of the huge bills incurred from eating fast food. She commenced to study the writings of Gericke and grow her own veggies on her house boat. In her writing, you capture her failures and successes, but two things stand clear the perlite and the hole in the side of the bins set to 1 from the bottom. She went on to sell kits for home cultivation and wrote her own book "Home Hydroponic Gardens". She is now the Executive Director of International Institute of Simplified Hydroponics based in Tehuacan Mexico and is working to end hunger worldwide.
http://www.simplyhydro.com/growing_your_own_food.htm
http://www.carbon.org/microfarms/peggy.htm
Could she be the one who made the kit that DaliHempy bought and proliferated as his DYI hempy bucket?
If true, she might just be the Mother of Hempy. She not only has a shot at world hunger but she also has a hand in the medicinal relief of pain and suffering via cannabis cultivation. I would love to meet this lady.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics
As a follower of DaliHempy who largely made the hempy method popular on another forum, (first perlite, then coco coir), I always remembered him claiming that he didnt come up with this idea. His hempy buckets were simply a DYI version of a kit he bought when he was younger. Well, low and behold, while I was reading about Gericke above, a link took me to the writings of a young college student in 1969 named Peggy Bradley who was tired of the huge bills incurred from eating fast food. She commenced to study the writings of Gericke and grow her own veggies on her house boat. In her writing, you capture her failures and successes, but two things stand clear the perlite and the hole in the side of the bins set to 1 from the bottom. She went on to sell kits for home cultivation and wrote her own book "Home Hydroponic Gardens". She is now the Executive Director of International Institute of Simplified Hydroponics based in Tehuacan Mexico and is working to end hunger worldwide.
http://www.simplyhydro.com/growing_your_own_food.htm
http://www.carbon.org/microfarms/peggy.htm
Could she be the one who made the kit that DaliHempy bought and proliferated as his DYI hempy bucket?
If true, she might just be the Mother of Hempy. She not only has a shot at world hunger but she also has a hand in the medicinal relief of pain and suffering via cannabis cultivation. I would love to meet this lady.
WattSaver
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I take a couple days off reading the thread and you guys throw up 10 pages.... lol
A separate hempy thread would be nice, but we could work within the current boundaries. What we need is a person with a lot of free time and is the studious sort. A separate thread could be started that would be a table of contents for this and even other hempy related threads & journals.
It would be broke into topic and sub-topics with a list of post links or #'s. After the first creation it could be updated via copy & paste of the master and add new info where in belonged in the new post, so the last post would be the most current. If a hempy information source like this was made I'm sure the mods would sticky it, and the best place for the sticky would be in the general hydro.
But we also need threads like this one, this thread has accepted more variations to the passive hydro machine than I've ever seen on any site, with the least amount of BS. With this sort of free exchange we all have learned a thing or two. I would like to see more of the failures, I for one learn much more from my mistakes.
A separate hempy thread would be nice, but we could work within the current boundaries. What we need is a person with a lot of free time and is the studious sort. A separate thread could be started that would be a table of contents for this and even other hempy related threads & journals.
It would be broke into topic and sub-topics with a list of post links or #'s. After the first creation it could be updated via copy & paste of the master and add new info where in belonged in the new post, so the last post would be the most current. If a hempy information source like this was made I'm sure the mods would sticky it, and the best place for the sticky would be in the general hydro.
But we also need threads like this one, this thread has accepted more variations to the passive hydro machine than I've ever seen on any site, with the least amount of BS. With this sort of free exchange we all have learned a thing or two. I would like to see more of the failures, I for one learn much more from my mistakes.
Shaggn
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I currently use a 12" fan just like that but w/o it oscillating. It is a little to powerful but plan on trying a 10" or even an 8". Might b an option for you.
WattSaver
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Here's the finish on the last run, did my trimming yesterday. It was grow of 1st's.
First coco bucket.
First run without using any ph adjusting fluids
First time checking run-off
First time grow of a new home made strain. Maui-Thunder
This plant was a very hardy grower, and like it's father it sucked all the processed stored sugars in the fan leaf as a matter of it's life span, not as a last ditch fight for life. You'll notice the fully used leaves, but it did not drop one leaf on it's own, nor could I easily tug a dead leaf off, u can see the solid leaf stem attached to the stalk. From wk 4 on it took 1 1/2 gal of water every other day, the coco rocks no doubt about that. This was an OC bucket, and my total cost for nutes including all the supplements I add was $1.17, the extra cal/mag needed for the coco pushed my costs up this round.
Day 57
Chopped at the end of Day 58 now I have to wait a month for the smoke report, the final test to see if this new strain is a winner.
Nugs and future hash makin's
First coco bucket.
First run without using any ph adjusting fluids
First time checking run-off
First time grow of a new home made strain. Maui-Thunder
This plant was a very hardy grower, and like it's father it sucked all the processed stored sugars in the fan leaf as a matter of it's life span, not as a last ditch fight for life. You'll notice the fully used leaves, but it did not drop one leaf on it's own, nor could I easily tug a dead leaf off, u can see the solid leaf stem attached to the stalk. From wk 4 on it took 1 1/2 gal of water every other day, the coco rocks no doubt about that. This was an OC bucket, and my total cost for nutes including all the supplements I add was $1.17, the extra cal/mag needed for the coco pushed my costs up this round.
Day 57
Chopped at the end of Day 58 now I have to wait a month for the smoke report, the final test to see if this new strain is a winner.
Nugs and future hash makin's
Moebius
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Very interesting Jela... worthy of sticky status I would say.
Moebius
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WattSaver ... Thats a good idea.
I think the constant updating by one person could be an issue though. Like you say, they would need to have ridiculous amount of time and be very studious, I think they would soon tire of the task. Lets not put that on someone. ....... Anyways, I think they would really need permission from the growers first and that may be a pain.
Also, without mod privileges, a RIU member cannot edit their own posts after a certain number of days, (i.e I could not go back and edit page1 of WOH).
An easier, more do'able option might be to set up a 'List/Link your Hempy Grow thread'. The OP could suggest a format and ask peeps to add a link to their grow, not to add pictures, or chat etc. ...... In this way, someone could view the links with a short description like {600W CoCo Hempy grow} and find what they are after.
Done correctly it could be a great resource and something not seen on RIU before. I would create it myself and right up the OP but this really needs to be initiated by someone else or it ends up looking egotistical on my behalf.
Shivaskunk
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Yeah smooth its working for you so keep it up. You should try a tray with just hydroton or rockwool maybe and see if pure flood is something you like working.
Ive grown flood, drip, nft, dwc, dirt, and hempy. The reason i am loving hempy is that i dont need pumps and timers and the worry involved. If i was running as many plants as you though id prob be going Flood or NFT personally.
Like moe said if its working for ya do your thing.
Ive grown flood, drip, nft, dwc, dirt, and hempy. The reason i am loving hempy is that i dont need pumps and timers and the worry involved. If i was running as many plants as you though id prob be going Flood or NFT personally.
Like moe said if its working for ya do your thing.
World.Of.Hempy
Member
Hello Folks.
I'm setting up the Hempy Grow Directory.
Its main purpose is to serve as a historical catologue of Hempy grows. We'll be able to post link to Hempy grow we may be doing or an experiment we may be carrying out.
We want it to be able to view quickly so we'll ask people to adhere to the rules of no chat, no pictures etc etc.
Before I start the thread, any thoughts?
I'm setting up the Hempy Grow Directory.
Its main purpose is to serve as a historical catologue of Hempy grows. We'll be able to post link to Hempy grow we may be doing or an experiment we may be carrying out.
We want it to be able to view quickly so we'll ask people to adhere to the rules of no chat, no pictures etc etc.
Before I start the thread, any thoughts?
Moebius
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I guess we'll see if this works
WattSaver
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?????????who was that masked man sheriff???????
Shivaskunk
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I like the idea Moe! I am just startind a new hempy grow...and along side the hempys will be some growing in hempy containers but with ffof soil (except the bottom two inches which will be chunk perlite. Only reason for soil is i have a big bag and am low on perlite.
I will be interested to see the difference in growth , maturity, and flavor. I still have about 2 weeks of veg ahead of me to grow these girls up. I will probably super crop and lightly train my seedlings as they are taller.
I will be glad to journal it and have you link it. Wont know how many of my seedlings are girls until i flip to flower. hoping for 50% female. Which will give me 35 girls. 7 skunk, 7 sandwidow, 6 gods gift, approx 7 maui x blue dream, approx 7 maui x elephant.
Ill make sure and do some soil some perlite of each kind except for the seedlings as they are unknown phenos.
You will pardon how my seedlings look in first week or so of veg as i was very busy during holidays and they were neglected.
I will be interested to see the difference in growth , maturity, and flavor. I still have about 2 weeks of veg ahead of me to grow these girls up. I will probably super crop and lightly train my seedlings as they are taller.
I will be glad to journal it and have you link it. Wont know how many of my seedlings are girls until i flip to flower. hoping for 50% female. Which will give me 35 girls. 7 skunk, 7 sandwidow, 6 gods gift, approx 7 maui x blue dream, approx 7 maui x elephant.
Ill make sure and do some soil some perlite of each kind except for the seedlings as they are unknown phenos.
You will pardon how my seedlings look in first week or so of veg as i was very busy during holidays and they were neglected.
Dr.J20
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thanks for the response moebius!Dr.J, thanks for posting your pics to WoH. Hopefully we'll be able to give you something to go on with regards to your current plant issues.
My 2 pennies -It sounds/looks like you've really been chasing an original def and in doing so have caused various lockouts and burning. IMO this is the most common mistake made by most of us.
Too often we'll see a plant issue and attempt to remedy it by adding an additive or 'tinkering' with the waters pH and EC without really knowing what going on with the plant. ... The trouble is that by just 'adding more' unknowns into the equation decreases our understanding and it just turns into a guessing game with one deficiency causing a lockout of another.
Because there are too many variables here, it's literally going to be impossible to isolate which specific elements of NPK/micros your plant is deficient in here. ... IMO it would take a extensive laboratory testing by a trained scientist to provide a truly definitive answer at this stage.
OK, that said what to do now?
The plant has suffered extensive phytotoxicity (burning) to its foliage, at some stage youve evidently applied too much of something. I would apply half strength bloom nutes for a week and hope.
Depending on how much effort you want to expend, you could try brewing up your own organic tea. When using organics, I found a home-brewed tea as a good cure-all. .... For your plant, I would personally brew a compost tea high in (N) with some seaweed extract.
re EARTH JUICE ... I tried it at recommedation .... I hated it, it went off and caused me endless issues. It may have been a problem with the batch or storage but I ended up pouring it down the toilet. ... Now, if I go organic I would only use base ingredients.
Also ... Personally ... 'I' would NOT use RO water. without a genuine reason to do so.
edit:
Can I suggest trying a different substrate next time? Too much perlite vs organics. It kinda neither one nor the other.
I'm able to find a 50:50 love:hate ratio for earthjuice it seems. I just wanted to do a run with some liquid organics to see what they were like and figured a bit of soil would be helpful for the myco hoard etc....basically trying a very imprecise run with that substrate....is anyone ever really that surprised when someone goes through with a slightly half-baked idea around here? lol!
So I will take your advice and use a light bloom feeding and microblast (micro nutes) for a couple more feedings then just ph'd water to finish out these girls...
I'm using the earth juice ph up and down which adds potassium bicarbonate (up) and may have helped with my potassium deficiency already. I'll post some more pics, but i've trimmed out a fair amount--hopefully not enough to stress em out this late. I'm guessing this will be more like a 9-11wk finish so I'm going to see if i can't finish up alright.
I'm also going to take moebius' advice on different substrate for my next go-- I'm going hempy: 100% perilte, oc+, some micronute ammendments, and then just water with pH'd tap and molasses...northernberry and some purple kush, one of each, 5 gallon hempy, PARish T5, 600+watts...maybe 12/12FS, not sure about that yet.
otherwise, thanks for the help everyone, and let me know if you want to hear how this grow turns out, i'll keep taking pics and documenting.
be easy,
Dr.J