Worm repellant advice

How do you feel about your memory? Acetylcholine has to do with memory, reasoning and other things. If I want added Zika virus can you put that in for me too?

So your saying if I use a method a bunch of other people use too I'm gonna mess up my brain from these chemicals?

don't know much about spraying.but I'm in nor Cal country.and as of now I'm checkin everyday for pest.but also letting nature do its best to help me out I have 4 early flowering like bubbas gift but sofar so good plus theese ants seem to kill any thing on my girls but leave the plant alone.right now I got bubbas gift.sour triangles.timewarp deisal.fresian dew.mangotango.widow skunk.afghani.the og. my first outdoor the learning curve but I love it.ima try to stay away from chemicals I want the people to smoke good bud that sticcky shit not that over dry crispy shit they call erb

BLACK HAND~420 said:

don't know much about spraying.but I'm in nor Cal country.and as of now I'm checkin everyday for pest.but also letting nature do its best to help me out I have 4 early flowering like bubbas gift but sofar so good plus theese ants seem to kill any thing on my girls but leave the plant alone.right now I got bubbas gift.sour triangles.timewarp deisal.fresian dew.mangotango.widow skunk.afghani.the og. my first outdoor the learning curve but I love it.ima try to stay away from chemicals I want the people to smoke good bud that sticcky shit not that over dry crispy shit they call erb

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Ants farm aphids for their "nectar" watch out when you see ants in your garden.

back tracker thank you for that insight I will get to the elimination process I've only seen a few but I read ants eat mites so I figured Kool let them live now I won't I will get some lady bugs and let them go to work. I have noticed leaf bites and what not but nothing serious but now I will pay more attention

Use bt for your worms. I get them that bore holes into the stem and eat upwards. This will suck bad. Bt is by no means perfectly safe. I wouldn't spray it on my buds. And don't want it gm'd into my foods. But it's safe to spray on vegging plants. It is a natural bacteria and yea Monsanto does bad things with it. But also it is useful. And if I'm not mistaken organic certified bt can be found.

In my area we don't have the late season bud worms, but early ones.

So you're saying the stuff I have would do more harm than good?

I read someone post no caterpillar is going to hurt your plants in veg. Not wanting to argue, we have a caterpillar that bores into the thick stem and eats its way up. I get them about mid June- end June. The will kill quick. Cutworms,army worms? I'm not sure offhand what they are called. Some years are better than others.

This is the northeast U.S. where I'm at. In the fall I don't get any caterpillars like people on west coast. Not everyone has the same environment.

Spinosad is omri approved as well as bt. Wtf are you going on About? If used as recommended you should have zero problems. It specifically says not to spray it when bees are most active. There is NO run off damage because it actually degrades so quickly. Please read real research. I'm all for organic. If it's omri approved it's had to go through a shitload of testing to get there and qualify as such.

For the op. Spray every 10-14 days and try to leave it with no spraying 3weeks before chop. Spinosad can even do in mites if mixed at full dose. Im usually mixing light at 1/2 the recommended dose for the moths/caterpillars. If you gain control of the problem early you won't have to spray very much later.
My area is literally over run this season. Even the earwigs are decimating the veggies.

I don't know about you guys but my memory sucks and it has little to do with the chems and more to do with smoking more than I should.

Omri is not certified to judge what came from genetically modified stock. It does not degrade quickly and Im sorry if you find this a convenient product. It is deadly even after dried. It is deadly for many species. If you have real research, as you seem to wish me to believe you have read, please provide it. I am a biochemist and more then certified to speak on what I speak. I am also very well schooled in the endocrine system. I would be happy to discuss this further though my position is it is not safe at all.
www.gorillagrow.org

This will kill microbes and fungi which protect the plant, give true quality and much much more. Your creating work for your self. Yes the earwigs are likely out of control as you decimated your nematodes. Do you know what they are and why they are important?

So instead of spraying directly on the plant could I just spray the area around it? Would that help keep the pests away?

karmaxul said:

Omri is not certified to judge what came from genetically modified stock. It does not degrade quickly and Im sorry if you find this a convenient product. It is deadly even after dried. It is deadly for many species. If you have real research, as you seem to wish me to believe you have read, please provide it. I am a biochemist and more then certified to speak on what I speak. I am also very well schooled in the endocrine system. I would be happy to discuss this further though my position is it is not safe at all.
www.gorillagrow.org

This will kill microbes and fungi which protect the plant, give true quality and much much more. Your creating work for your self. Yes the earwigs are likely out of control as you decimated your nematodes. Do you know what they are and why they are important?

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Your biology credentials are oriented to this field more than my own. I respect your position, just quite a bit of information conflicts with that position.

I go here for information usually:
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/spinosadgen.html

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/12/28/2015-32168/spinosad-pesticide-tolerances#h-14

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinosad

However, I noticed this time around linking wickpedia that they have added severe toxicology for bees. We knew about during spraying but apparently it is the residue also. They say to rinse a day or two after application now. I was not aware of the new information.

I will say this. I tried using nothing but soaps and oils when we first started on the property. Our entire first crops went in the bin. Since then I have used spinosad lightly and BT later in the season for worms to great success. I still have a lot of life on the property and the soil makes mycelium web on top quite often. Lots of worms in the soil.

My entire area has had problems with earwigs not just myself... LOL


Side note. DE is deadly to bees also! It is also a non-discriminate insecticide but has no efficacy once wet.

Weedman, go ahead and use the Monterrey Garden Insect Spray. I start spraying every 2 weeks when August comes around...since it's so late in the season I usually only make 3-4 applications. Towards the end I spray lightly as to not allow it to soak into the buds.
It breaks down in the presence of sunlight and all of my pollinated vegetables in the garden do well because the bees are not dead....and alas, I am still neurodegenerative disease free.

So greensurfer, how many times would you recommend me spraying a week right now? or should I wait until August? also where should I apply most of the spray? on the plant? or a little on the plant but mostly surrounding the plant?

Weedman1108 said:

So greensurfer, how many times would you recommend me spraying a week right now? or should I wait until August? also where should I apply most of the spray? on the plant? or a little on the plant but mostly surrounding the plant?

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It's unlikely you have any worms right now since they munch on the buds....do you currently have a pest problem? If not, I'd say leave it alone and focus on plant health.
You will want to spray the whole plant, underside of leaves included. Anything that you want protected you'll have to spray. Worms come from airborne pests so keep it out of the soil, it's not needed there and you'll want to preserve as much soil bio activity as possible.

I think some have an issue poisoning the plant with phosphorus and infusing it into the tissue where it produces its caustic effect that some growers desire for profit reason despite modern knowledge or ethical issues. This amazingly limits the mycorrhizae covering that would otherwise protect the plants. I pulled some caterpillars off the plant though have no chewing at present time. Then again I grow for quality which only comes with a diverse ecosystem. If it kills bees and such as well it is killing much of the balance that would lead way to quality or worry free growing. The industry is fuelled by money. I have had fertiliser products and am familiar with the mentality of the ones who produce the most "organic" fertiliser in this country. Ray Olsen owns the company. Like I said I would be pissed smoking that. If I knew it was on it I would never touch it. All sorts of folks in this world and with them all different standards. May I ask if any of you work at a hydro shop or get your advice from one? No offence they told you phosphorus was great too I imagine

I heard you can plant marigolds to repel pests but they attract spider mites so you have to plant some dill to repel those, anyone familiar with methods like this?

Weedman1108 said:

I heard you can plant marigolds to repel pests but they attract spider mites so you have to plant some dill to repel those, anyone familiar with methods like this?

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Yes. It's not 100% effective though tbh. Marigolds are actually meant to attract the pests to it instead of your other plants. Dill, sage, lemongrass, chives are All good bug repellents. Almost any strong smelling herb that isn't sweet will repel.

FYI if things are actually under control pest wise. Often just mixing some peppermint or eucalyptus soap w water will be good maintenance. Lemongrass oil and water work too, use a little soap to get them to mix right.

If you see moths and or worms spray.

Lilacs are great for moth I hear.