Would you vote to legal this abomination in America?

whitebb2727 said:

We all know its a dog eat dog world. That doesn't mean we should not try to minimize suffering and harm.

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Sure. But, you said it was a duty.

Doer said:

The Plight of Birth is real for us all.

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Now there is an interesting topic! I have no say in being brought into this world, no say on how I'm brought up, where I'm brought up, what happens to my body as far as medical procedures, how I'm educated, what religion i am...nothing is in my control until I'm 18 or so and then it's "your on your own", for the most part, even though your living a life that has been mostly guided not by your wants and needs, but by someones idea of what your life should be, and if you decide at that point to question any of the pre-established life that you've been taught you can be ostracized by your choices, at the very least held behind your actual goals until you reverse the previous course of actions. How many children have been pushed into sports, science, or other avenues, by their parents when all they really wanted to do was play music, draw or ? I've question much about what we consider modern society and the social norms and how people think about life and project those thought on others to make a conforming society.

Add that to the fact that your brain is not fully adult until your 30s, well....the plight of birth...we just have to live with it.

The best we can do is have a society where all points of view are welcomed and we help each other figure it out.

Doer said:

Sure. But, you said it was a duty.

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To me it is but I digress as a father of a high risk pregnancy. They have the same right I do.

I was just saying be careful screwing with DNA. Im sure if its not war, nukes, poisoning of the earth, a mutated virus will do us in.

Or maybe we won't get done in.

Pinworm said:

Your poll is missing a button for 'The illuminati are sending me messages through my toaster'.

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they hide listening devices in our cheese.

Rob Roy said:

Wait until they ramp up the control of the internet, (they're working on it) then things will get very interesting.

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actually, they are working on net neutrality you retarded pedo.

whitebb2727 said:

To me it is but I digress as a father of a high risk pregnancy. They have the same right I do.

I was just saying be careful screwing with DNA. Im sure if its not war, nukes, poisoning of the earth, a mutated virus will do us in.

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"Father of a high risk pregnancy".

Could you clarify please, is she pregnant now or has she had the baby? Congrats either way, I just don't see the relevance.

Harrekin said:

"Father of a high risk pregnancy".

Could you clarify please, is she pregnant now or has she had the baby? Congrats either way, I just don't see the relevance.

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Had the baby. We went into it knowing there could be problems. That was the premise of my argument, not to cause undue suffering. We could have very well done that when we rolled the dice and had our last kid. Everything worked out though and thank you for the congrats.

It is all a risk, from womb to tomb. Look what happened to King Tut.

WeedFreak78 said:

Now there is an interesting topic! I have no say in being brought into this world, no say on how I'm brought up, where I'm brought up, what happens to my body as far as medical procedures, how I'm educated, what religion i am...nothing is in my control until I'm 18 or so and then it's "your on your own", for the most part, even though your living a life that has been mostly guided not by your wants and needs, but by someones idea of what your life should be, and if you decide at that point to question any of the pre-established life that you've been taught you can be ostracized by your choices, at the very least held behind your actual goals until you reverse the previous course of actions. How many children have been pushed into sports, science, or other avenues, by their parents when all they really wanted to do was play music, draw or ? I've question much about what we consider modern society and the social norms and how people think about life and project those thought on others to make a conforming society.

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Now ask yourself how much of this is really all in our minds? All of it, right? For example, what percentage of the people on Earth, have you actually seen their faces? Sure, even on TV, even at a large outdoor event, even large outdoor events on TV, like the Million Man March? Yet we think we know all about it.

Most of what we call "the modern world" which seems so large and scary, it just a figment of our Plight of Birth and our imagination of what we think we "know."

But, we can fold all that back, in layers, similar to this song.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

It is very calming for me, to just be, as I to peel the onion of thoughts, hopes, dreams and fears, even for few seconds. It's only called meditation as yet another label. It is really just techniques to free us a little from the Plight of Birth.

In the end of the process, I am Self without Identity for an instant. In other words, I have managed to instantiate an Identity-less Self. True and complete freedom. Freedom, even, from me Perception is Conception. Therefore, I make it so.

Doer said:

It is very calming for me, to just be, as I to peel the onion of thoughts, hopes, dreams and fears, even for few seconds. It's only called meditation as yet another label. It is really just techniques to free us a little from the Plight of Birth.

In the end of the process, I am Self without Identity for an instant. In other words, I have managed to instantiate an Identity-less Self. True and complete freedom. Freedom, even, from me Perception is Conception. Therefore, I make it so.

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Harrekin said:

The big question is (as always) why does something in someone else's life which will never affect your life bother you?

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that's a wild assertion; care to cite how it "will not affect me" if a bunch of lunatics decide that everyone who doesn't agree with their fantastic creation story, needs to be "cleansed?"

I'm pretty sure that when a bunch of people get together and think the same absurd things, they start to Enact absurd things, based on those shared absurd notions. So yeah, it can and will affect you, if a bunch ("most of the world") of people want to act on irrational beliefs, while refusing to even acknowledge the need for self-scrutiny.

Also: chimeras exist already. Might not be 3 'parents' DNA, but... it is a single body with more than one set of DNA, and happens occasionally in nature. Mutations happen in nature. The good mutations are desirable and are often proliferated through the genepool over several generations of increased reproductive opportunities, due to having an obviously desirable trait (or many). We live in a rather toxic environment, full of all sorts of mutagenic substances and profound amounts of invisible radiation, Everywhere. Just being outside, in nature, you can get sick from the sun's rays. Just being Inside, in the stuff we built for ourselves, can make us sick. The radiation damages your cells' ability to reproduce without mistakes, and you start developing problems, as those mistakes get reproduced, instead of triggering apoptosis as they should (which is one area cannabis helps!).

If i could ensure that bizarre irrational notions never impact me, i wouldn't give a damn what craziness goes on in others' minds.

But the fact remains: those nutjobs WILL manifest their craziness into the physical world, and i don't want to be around them when they do. Because they are not sufficiently regulated, there is far too much risk of encountering stupid and reckless and/or evil individuals, pretty much anywhere you might want to go.

Plus... Quantum Entanglement. Everything affects everything! (though often in abstract ways and negligible amounts).

Doer said:

Add that to the fact that your brain is not fully adult until your 30s, well....the plight of birth...we just have to live with it.

The best we can do is have a society where all points of view are welcomed and we help each other figure it out.

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...i think that would only be possible if all views begin from equivalent footing/foundation... which they currently do not.

When an expert's idea and a layman's idea clash... the expert is almost always right. To consider the possibility of usefulness of the layman's idea, is not folly... but to pretend the layman 'should' have the same recognition as an Expert, would be. Likewise, we shouldn't just *go dismissing everything said by anyone who wasn't "formally specialized" in that particular discipline. Sometimes great ideas come from the least groomed minds, whose creativity has yet to be impeded by imposed structure.

Pinworm said:

Your poll is missing a button for 'The illuminati are sending me messages through my toaster'.

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you too?

Jimdamick said:

I think it has to do with this thing called humanity, versus ambivalence. The former is inconvenient and requires effort, while the latter so much easier, just do nothing. Emotion is a pain in the ass, it's much easier to be numb

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Sorry to be a dick, but....

ambivalence
noun
1.
uncertainty or fluctuation, especially when caused by inability to make a choice or by a simultaneous desire to say or do two opposite or conflicting things.
2.
Psychology. the coexistence within an individual of positive and negative feelings toward the same person, object, or action,simultaneously drawing him or her in opposite directions.

I think the word you are looking for is "Apathy", which is, unfortunately, not something I possess when it comes to ignorance and the misuse of words. Also, the fact that you chose to (mis)use the word "Ambivalence" when decrying apathy is incredibly ironic, since "Ambivalence" is pretty much an antonym (opposite) of "Apathy", and it is an error that you could have only arrived at because of your own apathy (In this case towards vocabulary).

Ace Yonder said:

Sorry to be a dick, but....

ambivalence
noun
1.
uncertainty or fluctuation, especially when caused by inability to make a choice or by a simultaneous desire to say or do two opposite or conflicting things.
2.
Psychology. the coexistence within an individual of positive and negative feelings toward the same person, object, or action,simultaneously drawing him or her in opposite directions.

I think the word you are looking for is "Apathy", which is, unfortunately, not something I possess when it comes to ignorance and the misuse of words. Also, the fact that you chose to (mis)use the word "Ambivalence" when decrying apathy is incredibly ironic, since "Ambivalence" is pretty much an antonym (opposite) of "Apathy", and it is an error that you could have only arrived at because of your own apathy (In this case towards vocabulary).

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Well, I'm glad you got that off your chest, feel better?

Jimdamick said:

Well, I'm glad you got that off your chest, feel better?

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Of course I do, educating people always feels good, it's like volunteer community service for which I don't have to leave my house.