Yeah! It's Bud Worm Season. Pics
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jbcCT
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Sucker got big. Keep fighting the good fight.
jbcCT
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I wanted to share a photo I just took. Day off today. Went out and did a careful inspection. I was picking single moth eggs off my maturing flower. I used a big stitching needle to remove them. They stick so they are easy to remove. Point is, there are several photos in this thread showing clutches of eggs. Easy to see right? The inspection must go deeper boys. I believe the common white moth lays the single egg. Usually right at the top colas. They go for the heart people. This is why it's so important to spray BT thoroughly and frequently. 
See green
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I agree the ones doing us the most damage are the single eggs.
jbcCT
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To be honest I've never quite seen one that looks like that but there are many variations of moth & caterpillar. Do you have any damage as a result?
PDiddyDank
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Well, I had to lop off a top of a cola, despite having a net in place. I crammed too many plants into the netting space and some leafs were rubbing against the net. The moths came and laid their egg through the net and onto the tip of the leaf. Minimal damage so far, but won’t know until I harvest. I trimmed all the leafs in contact with the net, so hopefully that does the trick!
jbcCT
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That's fucking bad ass!!!
jbcCT
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Not the end of the world. At least you caught it. You still applying BT every few days?
jbcCT
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I went out this morning and picked another dozen single eggs off the tops of my colas. Literally dropping them at the tippy top. One observation is that they usually stay away from the middle of the plant. Using a wooden tooth pick, they seem stick well to wood. This is the last hoorah for this year's moths. Starting to get chilly. They will be gone soon.
Still have zero damage. No rot anywhere. I'll continue the sweeps until I see no new eggs. For what it's worth, if you have a medium or small outdoor grow I believe its a worthy endeavor to remove as many of these dam things as possible.
Still have zero damage. No rot anywhere. I'll continue the sweeps until I see no new eggs. For what it's worth, if you have a medium or small outdoor grow I believe its a worthy endeavor to remove as many of these dam things as possible.
PDiddyDank
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3rd muncher I’ve found. Hopefully the last. Lesson: Don’t let any leaf material touch the netting!
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jbcCT
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Continuing the know your enemy photo series. I snipped this leaf tip this morning and laid it out on concrete. When I can back to check it later in the afternoon the eggs were hatching. I think they sense dying plant matter and hit the eject button. I could not see the baby larvae without zoom all the way up on the my phone. I sprayed it with BT after the photo. I want to see the effect the spores have on eggs, if any. Will report back.
jbcCT
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This is the results of BT sprayed on that clutch of eggs a day later. They all look hatched. So I would say the spores have no effect on the eggs. The membrane the egg is in must not be permeable. All in all fellas this is why you wash your outdoor before you hang it. Just like you would wash tomatoes or anything else in your garden prior to consuming it.
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potroastV2
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Nice pictures! However, I need to correct some things. First off, there are no spores, BT is a bacteria. We spray the BT on the leaves, and the worms must eat those leaves and ingest the BT for it to have a deadly effect. If those hatching worms don't eat that leaf with the BT on it, then they will just crawl away.
Also, I'm not certain that those are "bud worms." I know they are moth eggs, but maybe not the kind of moths that make bud worms. They are certainly destructive worms. The bud worms that I have seen with magnification are black when newly hatched, and the eggs are not in groups on a leaf, but individually planted on the stem where a bud will form.
There are many kinds of worms, and BT may not help with all of them.
Also, I'm not certain that those are "bud worms." I know they are moth eggs, but maybe not the kind of moths that make bud worms. They are certainly destructive worms. The bud worms that I have seen with magnification are black when newly hatched, and the eggs are not in groups on a leaf, but individually planted on the stem where a bud will form.
There are many kinds of worms, and BT may not help with all of them.
PDiddyDank
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Another few victims to bud worms. Man, these moths are just hovering around my net at night looking for some way to lay eggs on the slightest pun prick of leaf touching the netting. 
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jbcCT
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Great information. Thank you. We're dealing with multiple species of moth for sure. I've noticed the eggs are different colors and quantities.Nice pictures! However, I need to correct some things. First off, there are no spores, BT is a bacteria. We spray the BT on the leaves, and the worms must eat those leaves and ingest the BT for it to have a deadly effect. If those hatching worms don't eat that leaf with the BT on it, then they will just crawl away.
Also, I'm not certain that those are "bud worms." I know they are moth eggs, but maybe not the kind of moths that make bud worms. They are certainly destructive worms. The bud worms that I have seen with magnification are black when newly hatched, and the eggs are not in groups on a leaf, but individually planted on the stem where a bud will form.
There are many kinds of worms, and BT may not help with all of them.
Working with BT the last few years it certainly handles both worms and caterpillar species. It's kept my plants remarkably clean.
On the Monterey container it actually says it contains 6 million viable spores per mg with the active ingredient bacillus thuringiensis - subspecies kurstaki strain....
That first delicious bite.....
jbcCT
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Can't really tell from the photo. I assume it's shitty and brown. These things are vicious. I would check your netting, top, sides, every couple days. The mesh net is actually a perfect place to lay a clutch. I watched a brown moth dump a wad on the side of my screen tent once and I've found them on the mesh plenty of time. Those suckers are so small they will slip right through.Another few victims to bud worms. Man, these moths are just hovering around my net at night looking for some way to lay eggs on the slightest pun prick of leaf touching the netting.
No worries man. Next time around start spraying those plants at first sign of flower and you'll be good to go. I know it sucks.