Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

Bagginski

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Shortly after I got out of the navy I had landed in Seattle with a backpack and a guitar when I was approached on the street by a couple of Scientologists who asked if I'd like to take a free "personality test", which I accepted and was led to a second-story office space
I'd read a book called "The Scandal of Scientology "while I was in the navy so I was familiar with their belief system and answered all the questions accordingly so that when they analyzed the results on their very hip computing device, they were shocked and pronounced me completely "clear" at which point I said "I know, I'm your God..." and was ultimately asked to leave

The moonies tried to get me too, with a free spaghetti dinner
The Hare Krishnas w/ their vegetarian feasts…and flowers
The 16-year-old Perfect Master - remember him? Divine Light Mission IIRC
 

Fogdog

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You sure do love your tax thing lol. So your ok with gun ownership as long as your rich enough :(?
Yep, I see the contradiction there too.

Speaking of rich men owning things that give them power over others. How about if we put up a go fund me to raise money to buy a Supreme Court Judge? Seems that Crow bought one for about $10 mil. I wonder how much Roberts would cost?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Yep, I see the contradiction there too.

Speaking of rich men owning things that give them power over others. How about if we put up a go fund me to raise money to buy a Supreme Court Judge? Seems that Crow bought one for about $10 mil. I wonder how much Roberts would cost?
We should wait for the black friday sale, two for one all weekend...
 

sweetisland2009

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They do actually, and are constantly blocked by team red. Then team red points and says “they did it!”
nope. Democrats, like cannabis legalization, use the immigration issue as an election talking point. Trump presented an excellent deal in 2018 that would have helped more than anything the democrats have put up since
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Yep, I see the contradiction there too.

Speaking of rich men owning things that give them power over others. How about if we put up a go fund me to raise money to buy a Supreme Court Judge? Seems that Crow bought one for about $10 mil. I wonder how much Roberts would cost?
Great idea (and put the sponsors’ logos on their robes like a Nascar ride) but, to partially quote Simon Cameron, will he stay bought?

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DIY-HP-LED

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I won’t go so far. It’s more of a cognitive defect. The Germans are not an evil people, and look at the rabbit hole they went into.
They had little choice about the media they were exposed to, the regime censored it, these people censor themselves and that is the main difference, one has an excuse, the other does not. However, they do have one thing in common, their government was hijacked buy a minority of fascists too, there they gained complete control, in America it was only partial. These people have long ago run out of excuses, nobody forces them to watch foxnews or fill their own heads with the bullshit that they want to hear. After 1933 there were no elections in Germany, but in America they already had 3 chances to correct their mistake of 2016, in 2020 Trump got even more votes.

There is no excuse for not having an electoral wipe out and extinction of the GOP, it has moved well beyond normal politics.
 

Sir Napsalot

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The Hare Krishnas w/ their vegetarian feasts…and flowers
The 16-year-old Perfect Master - remember him? Divine Light Mission IIRC
I first encounted Hare Krishnas on Market St. in Inglewood, CA in 1972
They referenced George Harrison as a sellng point

Some years later the COG called me an enemy of God and would not allow me to enter their bus because I was wearing leather shoes
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I first encounted Hare Krishnas on Market St. in Inglewood, CA in 1972
They referenced George Harrison as a sellng point

Some years later the COG called me an enemy of God and would not allow me to enter their bus because I was wearing leather shoes
I never thought they’d frown on leather. Church of God?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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You sure do love your tax thing lol. So your ok with gun ownership as long as your rich enough :(?
I don't give a shit about the economic statues of gun owners, owning a gun is a luxury, not a necessity, not many hunt to eat, not even natives. Maybe we should give poor people a break on automobile registration, or perhaps driver's licenses for free? I'll worry more about that than about depriving some poor person of their gun. Speaking of which, do they get hunting and fishing licenses for free? They have to buy those every year, and a hunter safety course in most places. Shit you have to pay a toll to use some highways or cross bridges, are guns like churches, a fucking religion?

Increase the cost and burden of gun ownership, if it is an issue, which to my knowledge in Canada, it is not as far as hunting weapons are concerned. If it's not broken, then don't fix it, here at least. Almost all murders here are committed with handguns in Canada and they are pretty well banned except for smuggled weapons from the states. We already have reasonable restrictions on guns in this country and can do little else legally to address our high gun violence rate. We only have 8 times few gun deaths than America, it should be over 20 times less as it is in Australia, NZ, UK or the EU.

If America wants to reduce the number of gun deaths and we want to have fewer smuggled guns then they must reduce the number of guns in America. 3% of the population own 50% of the guns and probably 10% of the population own 70% of the guns. Some are collectors and perhaps provisions can be made for some of them. However, a good start would be registration of handguns for annual taxation purposes and I'm not gonna shed a tear over someone too poor to register and pay tax a luxury item. Guns cost taxpayers billions of dollars every year and it's time the freeloaders paid their fair share of the burden.
 

Fogdog

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I don't give a shit about the economic statues of gun owners, owning a gun is a luxury, not a necessity, not many hunt to eat, not even natives. Maybe we should give poor people a break on automobile registration, or perhaps driver's licenses for free? I'll worry more about that than about depriving some poor person of their gun. Speaking of which, do they get hunting and fishing licenses for free? They have to buy those every year, and a hunter safety course in most places. Shit you have to pay a toll to use some highways or cross bridges, are guns like churches, a fucking religion?

Increase the cost and burden of gun ownership, if it is an issue, which to my knowledge in Canada, it is not as far as hunting weapons are concerned. If it's not broken, then don't fix it, here at least. Almost all murders here are committed with handguns in Canada and they are pretty well banned except for smuggled weapons from the states. We already have reasonable restrictions on guns in this country and can do little else legally to address our high gun violence rate. We only have 8 times few gun deaths than America, it should be over 20 times less as it is in Australia, NZ, UK or the EU.

If America wants to reduce the number of gun deaths and we want to have fewer smuggled guns then they must reduce the number of guns in America. 3% of the population own 50% of the guns and probably 10% of the population own 70% of the guns. Some are collectors and perhaps provisions can be made for some of them. However, a good start would be registration of handguns for annual taxation purposes and I'm not gonna shed a tear over someone too poor to register and pay tax a luxury item. Guns cost taxpayers billions of dollars every year and it's time the freeloaders paid their fair share of the burden.
Did you not understand the issue that Budley raised? Placing an excessively high tax on guns makes guns the province of the wealthy.

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DIY-HP-LED

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Did you not understand the issue that Budley raised? Placing an excessively high tax on guns makes guns the province of the wealthy.

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Guns are a luxury item and I mentioned it along with not caring about the economic statues of gun owners, we are not concerned about it when it comes to owning a car or even a cellphone, why should guns be an exception? Seriously, lots of things are taxed and guns are not sacred or required to insure freedom, votes do that.

In America, putting a $100 registration fee and a $100 annual tax on handguns is not excessive, neither is banning semiautomatic long guns with a mag capacity of over 5 rounds. Most people who can afford a gun and ammo, can afford to register it and pay the tax. Gun owners should bear the financial costs of their hobby, or fear. Call it a tax of fear, if you wish, but increasing the burden, expense and liability of gun ownership is a sensible way to reduce the numbers of guns. It makes even more sense when you look at the demographics of gun ownership and the high concentration of hundreds of millions of guns in about 10% of the population. If you want to own 20 handguns, I'm not going to worry about you paying $2 grand a year in taxes to keep them. The government either gives you $100 for the gun or they tax you $100 per year to keep it.
 

Bagginski

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Did you not understand the issue that Budley raised? Placing an excessively high tax on guns makes guns the province of the wealthy.

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This reminds me of a factoid I came across years ago & never really knew what to do with it: apparently, 20% of the population owns 80% of the guns. It gets weirder when you think about it.

For one thing, that’s PRIVATE gun ownership: military & LEO weaponry *not* counted.

It’s not an average, either: if those 80% were distributed roughly evenly among the 20%, the numbers dictate each individual of those 20% would have hundreds of weapons. Does this imply organized private stockpiling against an expected need for a shit-ton of guns, fast? Sure does…most gun guys I’ve known (me included (sorta)) have had fewer than a dozen at a time.

I’ve also wondered: is that 20% ALSO stockpiling 80% of the ammunition? I’ve heard a ton of paranoid whimpering about “the ammo shortage”, but between bulk orders for defense and LE, the remaining 80% of the population couldn’t possibly account for the millions of rounds made & sold every year in all calibers that *aren’t* on the shelves, so…until I have a decent reason to think otherwise, I’m of the opinion that the 80%-owning 20% is also copping ~80% of the ammo.

it is worrying when you consider HOW MANY (or how few) INDIVIDUALS must make up the number that controls all those guns. It boosts the likelihood of a hot overthrow attempt, more than just theoretically
 

Fogdog

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Guns are a luxury item and I mentioned it along with not caring about the economic statues of gun owners, we are not concerned about it when it comes to owning a car or even a cellphone, why should guns be an exception? Seriously, lots of things are taxed and guns are not sacred or required to insure freedom, votes do that.

In America, putting a $100 registration fee and a $100 annual tax on handguns is not excessive, neither is banning semiautomatic long guns with a mag capacity of over 5 rounds. Most people who can afford a gun and ammo, can afford to register it and pay the tax. Gun owners should bear the financial costs of their hobby, or fear. Call it a tax of fear, if you wish, but increasing the burden, expense and liability of gun ownership is a sensible way to reduce the numbers of guns. It makes even more sense when you look at the demographics of gun ownership and the high concentration of hundreds of millions of guns in about 10% of the population. If you want to own 20 handguns, I'm not going to worry about you paying $2 grand a year in taxes to keep them. The government either gives you $100 for the gun or they tax you $100 per year to keep it.
I agree that banning large capacity magazines would be an immediate life saver. I agree that some sort of restrictions on semi-automatic weapons of all kinds should be studied, not sure if its a short term answer to our problems with US's high rates of gun homicides.

Is there any study or information from a reliable source that indicate a $100 registration fee and annual tax would save lives? That's the objective. Save lives. Chart a path toward the US being in line with other similar nations in gun homicide rate. It matters not if a person owns a gun. It only matters when it's pointed at people for no good reason.
 
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