Yet another LED thread.

[virulient]

hey how do you guys feel about this: http://www.hydrogrowled.com/Penetrator-336X-PRO-LED-Grow-Light-P87.aspx

are they legit?

seems awesome (and pricey) $2K.

They seem legit, but with 336 LED's @ 500w, they are pushing 1.488 watts to each 3w LED. While the growLEdhydro 500w light utilizes 252 LED's @ 500w, which is 1.984 watts to each 3w LED. That would lead me to beleive that each diode in the GLH light is going to more effectively penetrate the canopy because of the extra wattage per diode chip. Now take into acocunt the fact that the GLH light is not only one of the most highly reviewed LEDs on the market, but $1000 less than the one you posted, and presumably higher quality.

 

[ninjagaiden]

Uhm, do NOT deal with HGL. She is a known scammer who has called the cops on her own customers.

just google 'Cammie Scammer'

 

[brokenturtle3102]

Hello there. I read your first post and afraid I don't have time to read everybodys comments, got a major paper I should be working on, so I am here to tell you about my experience with LEDs. First of all, who ever said LEDs are more expensive is thinking very short minded. Don't look at the buy-in cost to join club-LED. Look at how much you will save with electiry from extra fans, cooling, light bulbs, and the bulb electricity as well. Lets forget all the wiring for ballasts and hoods. I am incredibly happy never worrying about all the stuff I just mentioned, as I'm sure you already know of. Now for the cover space of LEDs. Before I tell you about coverage, I highly suggest you look into blackstar LEDs. They are 1$ a watt generally and work fantastic. If you got 2 500s, you would rock a massive space. Now getting to the coverage, if you put LEDs very close to the canopy (around a foot away depending on size of plant) and put all of your lights on 2 light movers, you will be golden. With two 6ft racks you can cover a 8ft x 8ft very efficiently. Light movers are key in LEDs if you are doing larger grows. When I mean large, I mean anything under 8x8ft. Anything bigger then that you should prey to god HIDs exist and stick to them until the technology gets better. I am currently using a 500w and a 240w blakcstar in my 4x4 tent and they destroy. Could not be happier. See you later cowboy.

 

[hoss12781]

I am looking to upgrade from cfls to an led setup as my 12 cfls get hot in the box and are pulling too much power for the lumens. I was looking at the 240 watt light from htgsupply, anyone have any experience with these, they also have 3w bulbs and claim to hit all necessary nm's

I'm not sure about the new leds from HTG but my old ones wound up on ebay - sorry to whoever bought them. Most companies that sell quality leds just sell leds. Chances are they're just importing from a Chinese distributor and hyping them up on ebay. I almost abandoned led as an option after using some HTG leds. I'm glad I reconsidered. There is a journal in my signature I've been super happy with entirely replacing HID and CFL with mostly 3w chipset leds. I still have some crappy 1w diode ufos they are ok for side lighting.

Sorry to jump in and hate on HTG I try not to do that but they took me for a ride on some leds that were questionable at best.

 

[virulient]

I'm not sure about the new leds from HTG but my old ones wound up on ebay - sorry to whoever bought them. Most companies that sell quality leds just sell leds. Chances are they're just importing from a Chinese distributor and hyping them up on ebay. I almost abandoned led as an option after using some HTG leds. I'm glad I reconsidered. There is a journal in my signature I've been super happy with entirely replacing HID and CFL with mostly 3w chipset leds. I still have some crappy 1w diode ufos they are ok for side lighting.

Sorry to jump in and hate on HTG I try not to do that but they took me for a ride on some leds that were questionable at best.

Nah man, you have real life experience. We value your input. Thanks for the heads up on that company, I hadn't done any research on them yet, as I'm content with the top 5 brands I have picked out already.

Brokenturtle - The blackstars are $1 per ADVERTISED watts. The 500w model only pushed around half of that wattage. Maybe 260w. So you would need to buy 2 blackstar 500's to match a GLH 500 model. The Blackstar 500 is ~550. 550x2 is $1100. The GLH 500w model is $1299. The GLH light has a more full spectrum and pushes more watts PER LED, therefore, for what I'm looking for a higher quality. Hopefully this demonstrates blackstar is cheaper, and therefore much more desirable for supplemental lighting. However, as a primary grow light, I would deviate from Blackstar for a more powerful like with a little more full spectrum. (Blackstar has 6 diff wavelengths where the GLH and Advanced LED have 12 and 11, respectively).

 

[virulient]

If you are going to get a GLH light. Check out http://www.ebay.com/itm/18073045665...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_2010wt_1378 <----that link. $750 lights going for $500, and being sold by a member of this forum (ninjagaiden). I would snag these up right now if I had the spare 500.

 

[themanwiththeplan]

They seem legit, but with 336 LED's @ 500w, they are pushing 1.488 watts to each 3w LED. While the growLEdhydro 500w light utilizes 252 LED's @ 500w, which is 1.984 watts to each 3w LED. That would lead me to beleive that each diode in the GLH light is going to more effectively penetrate the canopy because of the extra wattage per diode chip. Now take into acocunt the fact that the GLH light is not only one of the most highly reviewed LEDs on the market, but $1000 less than the one you posted, and presumably higher quality.

Uhm, do NOT deal with HGL. She is a known scammer who has called the cops on her own customers.

just google 'Cammie Scammer'

THANK YOU GUYS SOOOOO MUCH! you just saved me from a foolish mistake! Im good at judging HID lights as i have 3-4 yrs experience with them...LED's to me is like speaking chinese (since lumens dont necessarily mean squat w/ the LED's that are more custom made to plant growth than HPS/MH where a lot of the light is wasted by kelvin ratings that don't help plant growth)

Glad i missed that scam! and virulient if the GLH one will be that much better than the one i was looking at then i think i might have my answer. that 500 from GLH should replace a 1000w hid correct? or just 1 600?

i do LST, top, and supercrop from time to time but im not SCROG or SOG grower if that makes sense or helps in your answer. i generally like to veg in 3 or 5 gal pots for 4-6 weeks on avg then flower.

I'm not sure about the new leds from HTG but my old ones wound up on ebay - sorry to whoever bought them. Most companies that sell quality leds just sell leds. Chances are they're just importing from a Chinese distributor and hyping them up on ebay. I almost abandoned led as an option after using some HTG leds. I'm glad I reconsidered. There is a journal in my signature I've been super happy with entirely replacing HID and CFL with mostly 3w chipset leds. I still have some crappy 1w diode ufos they are ok for side lighting.

Sorry to jump in and hate on HTG I try not to do that but they took me for a ride on some leds that were questionable at best.

Yea i like HTG for most growing needs but i too looked at their leds a while back and many people i asked told me to stay away from it because those are supposedly the same crappy ones being sold on ebay...glad i did ask because i was just gonna plop down the money and buy it. Reason being is I bought an HPS system from them a year before and it was the best HPS ive owned so i figured the LED's would be of the same quality.

 

[themanwiththeplan]

Wait...i was thinking...which should be better in terms of power/output/footprint (etc etc) the progrow550 or the GLH 500? because right now i think these are what i have it narrowed down to...remember my goal is something that equals (or close give or take) the yield of a 1000w hid light. i'd hate to blow $1K or so for something thats not as good that costs 3's more than a plain old 1000w digital ballast hps/mh


are both the GLH 500 and the progrow 550 adjustable (the color of the led's i been reading about).

i really suck at this LED thing guys.

 

[hoss12781]

I'd rather have a lot of smaller units pushing 130-200w than one large panel. They're super easy to move around, you can hang them from almost any direction and with the diodes all firing through a 90 degree angle if you gang up the sides fill in better and it gives you a better footprint. Think about it this way, you have your diodes that in a 3w set should be firing around 2w or so, that light will only travel so far with so much intensity. If you're able to have them spread out or even flipped on their sides you can do some pretty crazy things with 700w of actual led output broken up into four to five different lights.
I own GLH and Hydro Huts, either is a top shelf light that will serve you well. I'm partial to the pro grows the spectrum control works very well. On autos I keep veg on 2 weeks, full on 5, bloom on 2 and save even more electricity and my plants have responded well to it.

The picture to illustrate my point about more smaller wattage panels. When plants are done you can gang up on the remaining and blast the hell out of them. Just can't do that with one monster 500w plus unit. The autoflower in the picture got 60g in 65 days sprout to harvest.

 

[virulient]

I agree, that's why I like those AdvancedLED diamond series the best, but that GLH on ebay is cheap as hell! haha The AdvancedLED have the spectrum control too. As for comparing to a 1000w HID, there's no definitive way of saying you need X amount of LED wattage to match up to an X amount HID wattage, it's all trial and error really. The more time we all have to test, the more definitive answers well discover. As of now, we just don't have it =/ If you've narrowed down to GLH and ProGrow, I would say you're going to get a light that you will be very happy with.

 

[SativaMe@420]

oh...also when the led's do wear out (eventually they will) how expensive can it be to replace them? or what other types of costs are generally associated with LED grow lights (ie. with hps you have to replace bulbs etc.)

hey how do you guys feel about this: http://www.hydrogrowled.com/Penetrator-336X-PRO-LED-Grow-Light-P87.aspx

are they legit?

seems awesome (and pricey) $2K.

I don't have any personal experience with these led fixtures and I am BY NO MEANS SOLICITING FOR THIS MANUFACTURER!!! I have just done a lot of research on most of the top LED manufacturers and I have concluded that the Hydro Grow Penetrator 336X-Pro (the one you linked to in quote above) seems to be one of if not the best, VERY EXPEN$IVE, however I believe in this case that directly translates into quality. Every aspect and component of this light was specifically designed for indoor plant growth, the lenses alone are the accumulation of 4 years of research, seems to me these guys know what they are doing. They claim its the most powerful commercial grade LED grow light in existence, among many other claims like their exclusive X-Lens technology with "uniquely engineered amplification optics" which increases the output of light intensity by 5-6x that of most competitions generic lenses. Another very cool feature that answers the OP's question in the first quote above, its modular, meaning user-serviceable/upgradeable, if a few leds go out you don't have to replace the whole unit just the section that needs it, that's pretty dam cool. They are also linkable so you can attach multiple units together without the need for extension cords or adapters another user-friendly feature.
Please understand that I'm not trying to claim that this is the absolutely best LED grow light available, I'm merely passing along my opinion based on research Ive done and not personal experience, however like I mentioned I did a LOT OF RESEARCH! Hope this helps and good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[virulient]

I don't have any personal experience with these led fixtures and I am BY NO MEANS SOLICITING FOR THIS MANUFACTURER!!! I have just done a lot of research on most of the top LED manufacturers and I have concluded that the Hydro Grow Penetrator 336X-Pro (the one you linked to in quote above) seems to be one of if not the best, VERY EXPEN$IVE, however I believe in this case that directly translates into quality. Every aspect and component of this light was specifically designed for indoor plant growth, the lenses alone are the accumulation of 4 years of research, seems to me these guys know what they are doing. They claim its the most powerful commercial grade LED grow light in existence, among many other claims like their exclusive X-Lens technology with "uniquely engineered amplification optics" which increases the output of light intensity by 5-6x that of most competitions generic lenses. Another very cool feature that answers the OP's question in the first quote above, its modular, meaning user-serviceable/upgradeable, if a few leds go out you don't have to replace the whole unit just the section that needs it, that's pretty dam cool. They are also linkable so you can attach multiple units together without the need for extension cords or adapters another user-friendly feature.
Please understand that I'm not trying to claim that this is the absolutely best LED grow light available, I'm merely passing along my opinion based on research Ive done and not personal experience, however like I mentioned I did a LOT OF RESEARCH! Hope this helps and good luck with whatever you decide.

All the benefits you listed are available through other lights. The lenses, the link-ability, and the service-ability. Not to mention some of this they are just re-wording for advertising. That's not to say other companies don't do that, they do, but I feel we should stick to facts and statistics of the light. The fact that that light has MORE LED chips and running the same wattage as the GLH 500 means you're getting LESS wattage to each LED chip. This directly affects the quality, and intensity for the light. Combine all of this with a price tag that is about a thousand bucks more than the GLH light, for an inferior light.

Now consider the questionable business practices of the owner of HydroGrowLED. All of this combined puts this light manufacturer on the DO NOT BUY list for me. I would highly recommend avoiding this company.

 

[themanwiththeplan]

I don't have any personal experience with these led fixtures and I am BY NO MEANS SOLICITING FOR THIS MANUFACTURER!!! I have just done a lot of research on most of the top LED manufacturers and I have concluded that the Hydro Grow Penetrator 336X-Pro (the one you linked to in quote above) seems to be one of if not the best, VERY EXPEN$IVE, however I believe in this case that directly translates into quality. Every aspect and component of this light was specifically designed for indoor plant growth, the lenses alone are the accumulation of 4 years of research, seems to me these guys know what they are doing. They claim its the most powerful commercial grade LED grow light in existence, among many other claims like their exclusive X-Lens technology with "uniquely engineered amplification optics" which increases the output of light intensity by 5-6x that of most competitions generic lenses. Another very cool feature that answers the OP's question in the first quote above, its modular, meaning user-serviceable/upgradeable, if a few leds go out you don't have to replace the whole unit just the section that needs it, that's pretty dam cool. They are also linkable so you can attach multiple units together without the need for extension cords or adapters another user-friendly feature.
Please understand that I'm not trying to claim that this is the absolutely best LED grow light available, I'm merely passing along my opinion based on research Ive done and not personal experience, however like I mentioned I did a LOT OF RESEARCH! Hope this helps and good luck with whatever you decide.

FAIL ive seen better Nigerian email scam letters.

If you wanted to fool me you'd just say you own one. think its performs as good as it looks...maybe tell me your yield is the same as if you used ur 1000w light instead of it, etc. then i'd believe...but when you say, "IM IN NO WAY SOLICITING..." you already lost.

All the benefits you listed are available through other lights. The lenses, the link-ability, and the service-ability. Not to mention some of this they are just re-wording for advertising. That's not to say other companies don't do that, they do, but I feel we should stick to facts and statistics of the light. The fact that that light has MORE LED chips and running the same wattage as the GLH 500 means you're getting LESS wattage to each LED chip. This directly affects the quality, and intensity for the light. Combine all of this with a price tag that is about a thousand bucks more than the GLH light, for an inferior light.

Now consider the questionable business practices of the owner of HydroGrowLED. All of this combined puts this light manufacturer on the DO NOT BUY list for me. I would highly recommend avoiding this company.

Thanks jumping in so someone doesn't fall for it. After I visited those links provided about how that website is a scam and all the bad reviews I was 100% sure i wasn't going to buy from them

 

[hoss12781]

I don't have any personal experience with these led fixtures and I am BY NO MEANS SOLICITING FOR THIS MANUFACTURER!!! I have just done a lot of research on most of the top LED manufacturers and I have concluded that the Hydro Grow Penetrator 336X-Pro (the one you linked to in quote above) seems to be one of if not the best, VERY EXPEN$IVE, however I believe in this case that directly translates into quality. Every aspect and component of this light was specifically designed for indoor plant growth, the lenses alone are the accumulation of 4 years of research, seems to me these guys know what they are doing. They claim its the most powerful commercial grade LED grow light in existence, among many other claims like their exclusive X-Lens technology with "uniquely engineered amplification optics" which increases the output of light intensity by 5-6x that of most competitions generic lenses. Another very cool feature that answers the OP's question in the first quote above, its modular, meaning user-serviceable/upgradeable, if a few leds go out you don't have to replace the whole unit just the section that needs it, that's pretty dam cool. They are also linkable so you can attach multiple units together without the need for extension cords or adapters another user-friendly feature.
Please understand that I'm not trying to claim that this is the absolutely best LED grow light available, I'm merely passing along my opinion based on research Ive done and not personal experience, however like I mentioned I did a LOT OF RESEARCH! Hope this helps and good luck with whatever you decide.

Hi Scott! Nice new screen name.

 

[puffenuff]

Just finished up my second LED grow using advancedled and let me just say I love these lights. Can't go wrong with them. I out grew my previous harvest while doing one less plant. It takes some getting used to, but i'll be damned if I ever go back to hid lighting. My expectations for my next cycle are even higher.

 

[themanwiththeplan]

Hi Scott! Nice new screen name.

You'd think if you make ur living stealing and scamming that you'd be better at soliciting buys from an online forum.

i swear i'd make a WAY better scammer. If dude was really trying to scam why not seem like an everyday person...make some posts to build character/reputation on the forum THEN when someone asks about LEDS just say, "hey i use this brand. best ive used or whatever"...when they go off on rant about specs it makes it obvious they are just promoting themselves. idiots.

Just finished up my second LED grow using advancedled and let me just say I love these lights. Can't go wrong with them. I out grew my previous harvest while doing one less plant. It takes some getting used to, but i'll be damned if I ever go back to hid lighting. My expectations for my next cycle are even higher.

like this poster. he didnt go on saying, "hey i dont work for this company but you should buy it cuz blah blah"

puffenuff are you using the diamond series? which watt model? what was ur yield, etc. details pllleaassee!

 

[puffenuff]

You'd think if you make ur living stealing and scamming that you'd be better at soliciting buys from an online forum.

i swear i'd make a WAY better scammer. If dude was really trying to scam why not seem like an everyday person...make some posts to build character/reputation on the forum THEN when someone asks about LEDS just say, "hey i use this brand. best ive used or whatever"...when they go off on rant about specs it makes it obvious they are just promoting themselves. idiots.



like this poster. he didnt go on saying, "hey i dont work for this company but you should buy it cuz blah blah"

puffenuff are you using the diamond series? which watt model? what was ur yield, etc. details pllleaassee!

My first grow was with the 3w 180w extreme flower model and I got a 1/4 LB. My second grow I used the 180w alone up until week 6 of flowering when I got my 200w diamond series so I finished up using both. Haven't weighed it yet, but looks to be more than my last. Will have numbers to report this weekend.

 

[themanwiththeplan]

My first grow was with the 3w 180w extreme flower model and I got a 1/4 LB. My second grow I used the 180w alone up until week 6 of flowering when I got my 200w diamond series so I finished up using both. Haven't weighed it yet, but looks to be more than my last. Will have numbers to report this weekend.

ok thanks. ive been on the LED hunt lately and still havent come to a conclusion. i think i may just wait a little longer and see which company starts to pull away from the rest (if that'll ever happen)...im really just waiting for more solid grow journal evidence. we'll see. thanks for sharing though!

 

[puffenuff]

ok thanks. ive been on the LED hunt lately and still havent come to a conclusion. i think i may just wait a little longer and see which company starts to pull away from the rest (if that'll ever happen)...im really just waiting for more solid grow journal evidence. we'll see. thanks for sharing though!

No problem. I did a lot of research before purchasing my lights and am happy with my descision. Not sure either if you'll see one company pull ahead of the rest anytime soon. Journals are ok to go by I suppose, just remember it's all up to the individual grower. I have some links to a few well written advancedled journals from another forum if you want to check those out. The only real way to know for sure would be to try one for yourself, thats what I did, I jumped in head first when my buddies were telling me I was crazy...now they are all thinking about buying leds after what I showed them. Goodluck anyway.

 

[SativaMe@420]

OK, believe whatever you want but the honest to God truth is that I have absolutely no stake in ANY manufacturer of ANY kind, I'm a security guard who dose construction/remodeling on the side for crying out loud. I noticed someone inquiring about LED's and I thought I would chime in with what I thought looked like a good model based on research I did, I was only trying to help, nothing more, nothing less and if you believe otherwise then that's your problem. I did not see any bad reviews regarding the Penetrator models but obviously I was wrong, however dose that give you the right to condemn me for it, I mean we all make mistakes. By the way hoss12781, I have no idea who this Scott person is as my name is William, I'm 28 and I live in Sacramento CA, a fact that I haven't tried to hide from anyone and if you look through my Profile (here and on Marijuana.com) you'll clearly see that I have been posting, asking questions as well as trying to help others, I mean that's what this forum is for right? Its OK though because I know I haven't done anything wrong and I will continue to try to help others the best I can regardless of what some may think.