you just took an American ship .............

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
seems to like the shipping industry needs to take responsibilty for this shit themselves. I don't know why the US government is responsibile for this shit......
If the United States can not defend the vessels that fly its flag than the UNITED STATES DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE A NATION, NOR DOES IT DESERVE TO HAVE TAXES PAID TO IT.

It is obligated, due to the fact that it probably collects taxes from those corporation which ostensibly is supposed to go to support the Navy, to defend vessels that are flying the United States Flag.

Seeing as how the pirates have attacked vessels flying the US Flag the United States Navy should be involved.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
It's called Maritime law... If you sail under the US flag... YOU ARE THE US. If you are attacked, the US is attacked.

Like I said (kindly) before, you're always a step behind TIPS.... :lol:

out. :blsmoke:
 

J A Williams

Active Member
Well, we all saw what happened..some frogmen put a round in each pirates head.As a former Marine, i gotta give the Seals props-although a 30 yard shot isn't technically a "sniper shot".But now, dumbass Hillary Clinton is saying that the US is going to send aid to Somalia and freeze the pirates assets.If they had assets, they wouldn't be stealing shit! this country is headed for some very rough times..semper fi3/2
 

CrackerJax

New Member
The whole trouble with Somalia is Global Climate change. As soon as hillary masters the planet, all of our troubles will vanish.


out. :blsmoke:
 

tinyTURTLE

Well-Known Member
The whole trouble with Somalia is Global Climate change. As soon as hillary masters the planet, all of our troubles will vanish.


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they could realisticly divide somalia up. give half to kenya and half to djibouti.
the djibouti army is trained by US marines. I would wager they can TCB.
 

medicineman

New Member
Naw, just a couple a Mercs with night vision and a .50 cal would be all thats needed to keep these ships safe. Put out a standing order that all ships/boats that encroach within say 500 yards are subject to be fired upon, it's a big ocean, they should be able to avoid these merchant ships, and if not, bang.
 

tinyTURTLE

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Naw, just a couple a Mercs with night vision and a .50 cal would be all thats needed to keep these ships safe. Put out a standing order that all ships/boats that encroach within say 500 yards are subject to be fired upon, it's a big ocean, they should be able to avoid these merchant ships, and if not, bang.
this doesn't take into account that IF pirates do get aboard and gain controll of the ship, then they are armed with the same trusty-rusty M-2 .50s.
making it a trickier situation to help the people on board.
now, i am not saying that a .50 would stand a chance against anything we have on the ocean, just that it REALY complicates things if a ship is taken that is armed like that.

i think the solution is to have millitary escorts on GROUPS of cargo vessels. just like in WWII against the u-boats. only it would be a whole different turkey shoot.
couple shots from one five inch gun and any pirate threat moves from the present to the past instantly.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Fear of escalation

Putting guns on merchant ships is a complicated issue, said Joe Angelo, deputy managing director for the London-based International Association of Independent Tanker Owners, known as INTERTANKO.
“Do we really want private industry taking law and order into their own hands on the high seas?” asked Angelo, who works at INTERTANKO’s North American headquarters in Arlington, Va. Policing international waters should be left to governmental navies, he said. Otherwise, private shipping companies could find themselves in an escalating arms race with pirates.
“What if the pirates say, ‘OK, you want to play that game?’ ” Angelo said. “And they up the ante. They get bigger guns.”
Ship owners are also reluctant to arm crew members because of safety and liability concerns. Sailors might accidentally shoot an innocent fisherman or use weapons in a personal dispute.
His concerns were echoed by Will Bridges, 27, a marine engineer from the Abilene area who travels frequently to the Houston port to find work on outbound ships.
“That’s not what we do. We’re sailors, not soldiers,” said Bridges. “Piracy is not a surprise to any of us. The Coast Guard issues piracy reports all the time.”
Other sailors expressed a similar sense of stoicism, shrugging their shoulders at the potential dangers.
“It’s been a problem for quite awhile but not for American ships,” said H.B. Rains, an 81-year-old sailor from Houston.




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TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Fear of escalation

Putting guns on merchant ships is a complicated issue, said Joe Angelo, deputy managing director for the London-based International Association of Independent Tanker Owners, known as INTERTANKO.
“Do we really want private industry taking law and order into their own hands on the high seas?” asked Angelo, who works at INTERTANKO’s North American headquarters in Arlington, Va. Policing international waters should be left to governmental navies, he said. Otherwise, private shipping companies could find themselves in an escalating arms race with pirates.
“What if the pirates say, ‘OK, you want to play that game?’ ” Angelo said. “And they up the ante. They get bigger guns.”
Ship owners are also reluctant to arm crew members because of safety and liability concerns. Sailors might accidentally shoot an innocent fisherman or use weapons in a personal dispute.
His concerns were echoed by Will Bridges, 27, a marine engineer from the Abilene area who travels frequently to the Houston port to find work on outbound ships.
“That’s not what we do. We’re sailors, not soldiers,” said Bridges. “Piracy is not a surprise to any of us. The Coast Guard issues piracy reports all the time.”
Other sailors expressed a similar sense of stoicism, shrugging their shoulders at the potential dangers.
“It’s been a problem for quite awhile but not for American ships,” said H.B. Rains, an 81-year-old sailor from Houston.




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If you're not willing to defend yourself, why the hell should any one else be willing to do the job for you?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
It's not for private ships to defend themselves TBT... why sail under a flag then? So because of some pirates, we are going to "load up" all of the merchant marines? We got through WW2 without doing that.... believe me folks probably needed them alot more then than now. No, they got escorts....because that's how we do things... military action by military ships...cargo by cargo ships....


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medicineman

New Member
It's not for private ships to defend themselves TBT... why sail under a flag then? So because of some pirates, we are going to "load up" all of the merchant marines? We got through WW2 without doing that.... believe me folks probably needed them alot more then than now. No, they got escorts....because that's how we do things... military action by military ships...cargo by cargo ships....


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It's not practical to convoy around the horn of Africa, but a .50 cal and a couple a mercs wouldn't cost that much. Bigger guns mean bigger ships. The satelites could track bigger ships and interdict them with navy vessels, blow their asses right out of the water. I like the Phalanx. Buuurrrppp, no more rowboat.
 

tipsgnob

New Member
Fear of escalation

Putting guns on merchant ships is a complicated issue, said Joe Angelo, deputy managing director for the London-based International Association of Independent Tanker Owners, known as INTERTANKO.
“Do we really want private industry taking law and order into their own hands on the high seas?” asked Angelo, who works at INTERTANKO’s North American headquarters in Arlington, Va. Policing international waters should be left to governmental navies, he said. Otherwise, private shipping companies could find themselves in an escalating arms race with pirates.
“What if the pirates say, ‘OK, you want to play that game?’ ” Angelo said. “And they up the ante. They get bigger guns.”
Ship owners are also reluctant to arm crew members because of safety and liability concerns. Sailors might accidentally shoot an innocent fisherman or use weapons in a personal dispute.
His concerns were echoed by Will Bridges, 27, a marine engineer from the Abilene area who travels frequently to the Houston port to find work on outbound ships.
“That’s not what we do. We’re sailors, not soldiers,” said Bridges. “Piracy is not a surprise to any of us. The Coast Guard issues piracy reports all the time.”
Other sailors expressed a similar sense of stoicism, shrugging their shoulders at the potential dangers.
“It’s been a problem for quite awhile but not for American ships,” said H.B. Rains, an 81-year-old sailor from Houston.




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so....armored car guards should not be armed.......
 

CrackerJax

New Member
How about instead of chasing them all over the blue ocean and loading up red cross style ships with GUNS...we just blow up their ports? Which port will take them in, if it means a battleship is on your horizon the next day? Go to the source.... with the MILITARY.


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medicineman

New Member
How about instead of chasing them all over the blue ocean and loading up red cross style ships with GUNS...we just blow up their ports? Which port will take them in, if it means a battleship is on your horizon the next day? Go to the source.... with the MILITARY.


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It's a little harder to justify attacking land over shipping problems, not impossible though.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
It's a little harder to justify attacking land over shipping problems, not impossible though.
How the hell is it hard to justify.

This is the port the pirates were using, thus we have destroyed it so they can no longer use it.

The only thing that is "hard" to justify is collateral damage. I personally, don't see how that can be so hard to justify. The civilians at the port were most assuredly benefiting from the stolen wealth that was brought into the port by the pirates.
 

tipsgnob

New Member
How about instead of chasing them all over the blue ocean and loading up red cross style ships with GUNS...we just blow up their ports? Which port will take them in, if it means a battleship is on your horizon the next day? Go to the source.... with the MILITARY.


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and it does not matter to you and your BB sized brain that a lot of women and children would be killed if you bombed the ports....but on the other hand you would be killing bunch of old black folks and you probably see that as good thing...:dunce:
 
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