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guy incognito

guy incognito

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It takes energy to transform from ice to water at the same temperature. So you can heat up ice at 32*F, and end up with water at 32*F. That can be done by placing it next to warmer body, or by adding mechanical heat, such as rubbing ice cubes together to create friction. I think that is what the bolded section of text means.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Exactly. You need as much heat energy to melt a block of ice (going from zero ºC to zero ºC) as it takes to raise the zero-degree melt to a toasty eighty C.

Being heated but not getting hotter. cn
 
Moebius

Moebius

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guy incognito said:
It takes energy to transform from ice to water at the same temperature. So you can heat up ice at 32*F, and end up with water at 32*F. That can be done by placing it next to warmer body, or by adding mechanical heat, such as rubbing ice cubes together to create friction. I think that is what the bolded section of text means.
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That is what I understand of that highlighted text.

All of the sources and wiki stuff I literally speed readed through. I have not read any thermo-dynamics for many years but rather than fully understanding have a vague appreciation of the concepts.

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I can't spend too much time on threads, I have a garden to maintain which will soon have 150 small plants. On top of that, I've got bullshit sales targets to meet at work atm ... plus I smoke a lot of Ganja. ... I just have no energy these days and much of the time struggle to keep my eyes open.

Thanks for everyone who put me through my paces but i'll have to leave this for the mo. Anyways, its more fun talking Ganja than the existence of God. :bigjoint:
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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have a good one mr.Subjective, better go get in that room so it reaches temp

god knows if you were not there to experience it , they would die from the lack of temperature, heat, energy . . . .lol
 
Moebius

Moebius

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eye exaggerate said:
...Moebius, something like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_mundi
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I just read through the Axis Mundi description, I have to confess to knowing absolutely nothing about the ideas expressed in these world religions. I have heard some on these terms on my travels but have not delved deeper into it.
WOW ..... Its very rare for me to come across an idea for which I have a zero reference point, its great, reading that I feel excited at the possibility of exploring completely new concepts to me.

Thankyou for the link, Ive got a day off today/tomorrow so I can visit my local library and pick up more literature on these enlightening Eastern philosophies. I'm in the mood for some existential thinking and was planning to do some more reading on Jean Paul Satre anyway.

Much respect and peace :peace:
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Moebius said:
I just read through the Axis Mundi description, I have to confess to knowing absolutely nothing about the ideas expressed in these world religions. I have heard some on these terms on my travels but have not delved deeper into it.
WOW ..... Its very rare for me to come across an idea for which I have a zero reference point, its great, reading that I feel excited at the possibility of exploring completely new concepts to me.

Thankyou for the link, Ive got a day off today/tomorrow so I can visit my local library and pick up more literature on these enlightening Eastern philosophies. I'm in the mood for some existential thinking and was planning to do some more reading on Jean Paul Satre anyway.

Much respect and peace :peace:
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...likewise :) It was a hunch to post that.

Here's my very favorite part of the link:

"The symbol originates in a natural and universal psychological perception: that the spot one occupies stands at "the center of the world". This space serves as a microcosm of order because it is known and settled. Outside the boundaries of the microcosm lie foreign realms that, because they are unfamiliar or not ordered, represent chaos, death or night.[SUP][7][/SUP] From the center one may still venture in any of the four cardinal directions, make discoveries, and establish new centers as new realms become known and settled."

...as a model, does this serve as a way to stay in that space of potentiality, to be able to garner a new idea? I say, oui.
 
Moebius

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When I first read it I immediately thought, is this to do with the 'Mappa Mundi'? which is a medieval English map. Mundi being Latin for 'World'. ...

but not really, apart from anything else Im now interested on the etymology of the phrase as well as the underlying concepts.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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eye exaggerate said:
...likewise :) It was a hunch to post that.

Here's my very favorite part of the link:

"The symbol originates in a natural and universal psychological perception: that the spot one occupies stands at "the center of the world". This space serves as a microcosm of order because it is known and settled. Outside the boundaries of the microcosm lie foreign realms that, because they are unfamiliar or not ordered, represent chaos, death or night.[SUP][7][/SUP] From the center one may still venture in any of the four cardinal directions, make discoveries, and establish new centers as new realms become known and settled."

...as a model, does this serve as a way to stay in that space of potentiality, to be able to garner a new idea? I say, oui.
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I would suggest it does too. More reading for me, as my brain is too rooted in the here and now and the drudgery of daily life to fully appreciate the ideas. atm. ..... Time for a paradigm shift in thinking for me, I think.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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Moebius said:
That is what I understand of that highlighted text.

All of the sources and wiki stuff I literally speed readed through. I have not read any thermo-dynamics for many years but rather than fully understanding have a vague appreciation of the concepts.

................

I can't spend too much time on threads, I have a garden to maintain which will soon have 150 small plants. On top of that, I've got bullshit sales targets to meet at work atm ... plus I smoke a lot of Ganja. ... I just have no energy these days and much of the time struggle to keep my eyes open.

Thanks for everyone who put me through my paces but i'll have to leave this for the mo. Anyways, its more fun talking Ganja than the existence of God. :bigjoint:
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I have a degree in chemical engineering and have taken much thermodynamics, so maybe I just don't see the misconception since I understand what it means. It still seems to me like he is simply playing semantics with the word.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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guy incognito said:
I have a degree in chemical engineering and have taken much thermodynamics, so maybe I just don't see the misconception since I understand what it means. It still seems to me like he is simply playing semantics with the word.
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OK, can't argue with that.

anyways .. apart from anything else, semantics help shape our understanding of the world.

not only our world but also our minds where would we be without it.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Heisenberg said:
I think if you are not careful your semantic ambiguity will be mistaken for sophistry.
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sophistry no. I'm quite happy to share anything I know, or think I know. Evident by the energy and time i've spent discussing in this thread.

posting sources, video etc. .. see Richard Feynman link.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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I'm weary of discussing anything with you Heisenberg because I know without doubt, its just a matter of time before you start making personal remarks and insults.

Its not a good place to start debate.
 
Heisenberg

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Moebius said:
I'm weary of discussing anything with you Heisenberg because I know without doubt, its just a matter of time before you start making personal remarks and insults.

Its not a good place to start debate.
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Poisoning the well is not a good place to start either, especially among a crowd which knows me well.

What I was trying to say is, I believe you were simply exploring the semantic implications and how they relate to reality, and not trying to deceive or muddy the waters. I think you got such blowback because it sounded similar to new age woo, which has earned a special sort of ire around here. I am simply suggesting that you can avoid being mistaken as disingenuous and deceitful if you are less ambiguous with your semantics.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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So, Im guessing from your ability to edit my posts, that you (Heisenberg) are a forum Moderator?

Great :roll:
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Moebius said:
So, Im guessing from your ability to edit my posts, that you (Heisenberg) are a forum Moderator?

Great :roll:
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Correct except that I actually didn't edit your post, as I didn't see the need. I simply removed the flame comment you quoted.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Heisenberg said:
Poisoning the well is not a good place to start either, especially among a crowd which knows me well.

What I was trying to say is, I believe you were simply exploring the semantic implications and how they relate to reality, and not trying to deceive or muddy the waters. I think you got such blowback because it sounded similar to new age woo, which has earned a special sort of ire around here. I am simply suggesting that you can avoid being mistaken as disingenuous and deceitful if you are less ambiguous with your semantics.
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I do my best with the tools I have. Apologies if it doesn't come up to your standards. ... I don't really mind people who want to trade in insults, it bores me a little but Ive come to understand its just an expression of egocentrism which ultimately does more harm to the person engaging in such behavior.


and yes, I was exploring the semantic implications and how they relate to our world.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Moebius said:
I do my best with the tools I have. Apologies if it doesn't come up to your standards. ... I don't really mind people who want to trade in insults, it bores me a little but Ive come to understand its just an expression of egocentrism which ultimately does more harm to the person engaging in such behavior.


and yes, I was exploring the semantic implications and how they relate to our world.
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I was clearly giving you take-it-or-leave-it advice. Interesting that you see it as judgment. And where have I insulted you? If you point it out an apology may be in order, but I do not recall throwing any insults at you.
 
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