And likewise, I'm just not the idealist you are.
Global Warming or Over Population - Earths Biggest Threat?
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burgertime2010
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so it goes.....
Doer
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Then there is no problem.
burgertime2010
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I'm sorry, but that is not for you to decide.
burgertime2010
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-Homo Erectus?
burgertime2010
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Don't mind if I do.
UncleBuck
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and i want to thank you for demonstrating all 720 of those degrees.
forest firs cause global warming, which is not happening, because the earth is cooling, because of forest fires.
yes, forest fires causes global cooling.
you heard it here first folks.
UncleBuck
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awww, how cute. the mascot for skewed polls!
Doer
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It is not time to move on. This is the beginning of Big Fuel, Chapter 2. Methane.
MuyLocoNC
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Well said. The entire MMGW movement is based on the predication that we don't want the earth to warm. So far, I've seen NOTHING presented that could occur in the next 50-100 years that would convince me to suffer ANY of the financial and lifestyle altering "fixes." And I'm talking about even the most dire and heinous effects that are duplicitously offered by the most zealous of the Eco-loons.
That's the real hurdle for the Spotted Owl crowd as I see it. Who fucking cares if we're responsible for global warming if it's not something we're opposed to in the first place. Don't put the cart before the horse. Fifty yards of lost shoreline in large percentages of the world's shorelines at a gradual pace, good with it. Half mile, yup, still good with it. Entire cultures having to relocate further inland, good with that too. New York and Los Angeles underwater? Good to go.
Got a solution that doesn't infringe on my family's well being? I'll support it. First time more taxes, carbon credits, higher energy costs or restrictions are brought up, I'm out. I don't buy into the MMGW assertions in any way that man is responsible. But, even if I did, I'm not convinced at all that I should care.
canndo
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It is simple - this whole thing is wholely and completely science. It only became some wider issue after big business saw that the science might actually impinge on their bottom line, and then they opted to take the tobacco approach and spent large amounts of money introducing doubt, politics and disturbances in the way things were shaping up.
NO difference. If in an earlier time it was found that the earth being round might upset a major industry, that industry would hire PR firms and do all they could to inject that same doubt. The scientists are only in it for the money, (never mind that the naysayers are as well), Not all the evidence is in, the pictures from outerspace were photoshoped, there isn't a consensus, mankind hasn't the ability to actually assertain the shape of the earth.
This has become common practice - that is, industry lying and introducing doubt, making science into a plaything, to be trusted only when that sicence seems to be on the side of the status quo.
there is no "philosophical struggle", there is only truth and lies, science and PR, profit and reality.
the globe is warming, we are doing it. It really is that simple.
ginwilly
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The globe is warming, we are contributing would be more accurate Canndo. It's never been established we are doing it, in fact, it's been scientifically established that we are in a natural warming period. The consensus is, we are making it worse.
Your hyperbole is an example that the skeptics and deniers point to and easily disproves. This just gives ammunition.
Seems like philosophy is guiding your statements now doesn't it. Seems there is more than just truth and lies, there is also unintended misinformation.
It should also be noted that every one of the 104 models published by the IPCC overshot predictions. Everyone made the same mistake and were less accurate with temperature predictions than the Farmer's Almanac. These are climatologist, temps is grade school stuff to these guys. Yet you only accept that one side has an agenda. Why is that?
Your hyperbole is an example that the skeptics and deniers point to and easily disproves. This just gives ammunition.
Seems like philosophy is guiding your statements now doesn't it. Seems there is more than just truth and lies, there is also unintended misinformation.
It should also be noted that every one of the 104 models published by the IPCC overshot predictions. Everyone made the same mistake and were less accurate with temperature predictions than the Farmer's Almanac. These are climatologist, temps is grade school stuff to these guys. Yet you only accept that one side has an agenda. Why is that?
UncleBuck
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well, you couldn't read simple scientific polling and come within 15 points of the correct outcome, but hey, climate science is probably more of your thing, right?
you are a joke.
i'm still waiting for you to cite the first goddamn thing you say on the issue, but since everything you say is horse shit pulled directly from that empty fucking head of yours, that will never happen.
MuyLocoNC
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Amazing how the numbers have gone from 7 to 10 and now you've managed to bring a 15 into it.well, you couldn't read simple scientific polling and come within 15 points of the correct outcome, but hey, climate science is probably more of your thing, right?
you are a joke.
i'm still waiting for you to cite the first goddamn thing you say on the issue, but since everything you say is horse shit pulled directly from that empty fucking head of yours, that will never happen.
You are a joke AND a broken record AND you've become predictable and boring. Hannity's tiresome repetition of worn out talking points can't hold a candle to the unending and easily ignored insults and far fetched conclusions you spew on an hourly basis.
I need to cite proof that my personal opinion is I've seen nothing about global warming consequences that I wouldn't welcome? Yeah, I'll get right on that. I know you skipped right over the main point of my post because YOU GOT NOTHING to counter it, but I think I'll stay focused on it. As stated in my post and subsequently and intentionally avoided in your reply, let's establish we really DON'T want warming before we start adopting the Eco-loon's solutions to prevent it. I remain unconvinced.
UncleBuck
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your idea of letting major cities drown is about as popular as your other idea of getting rid of social security and medicare and about as brilliant as that 10 point romney lead you were sleeping on (hint, obama won by 4. so it was 14, not 15. my bad.
Did you tell your father in-law that you made it to the 50,000 post mark yet
Add that to your resume, I'm sure he'll be awesomely impressed when it comes time for him to hand down his multimillion dollar company to you.
Another good idea is, learn to speak unicorn, you will need this skill to better communicate with him.