Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[foreverflyhi]

Mango Kush

Hey brothas and sistas now that I got your attention,

i just finish smoking some fine 3 month cured ROLS grown northern lights and 6 month cured yoda og!. they are both so amazingly tasty, every puff till the very end was consistent, smooth and flavorful, each puff just as good as the last. northern lights is hard for me to describe, I say skunky musk, the yoda og taste of strong OG with a hint of sweetness skunk FUEL taste...

It got me thinkin how i hear from many hydro and organic growers how organic grown herb taste more "earthy" or "floral"
Well isnt this false? If a strain is earthy by genetics then it will be earthy, but if its a cheese strain for example, then it should taste like cheese, not a earthy floral cheese taste. not saying floral or earthy is bad. just a misrepresentation on describing organic herb.

Dont get me started on how shitty hydro weed is(NO OFFENSE, OR FUCK IT TAKE OFFENCE), i live in cali, i know more hydro growers and see more hydro weed then there is water in cali! (Sure ive seen beautiful hydro weed, sure it smells good, but ive yet to try hydro weed that can compare to rols organic herb, prove me wrong)


Point being is rols herb increases the potential of the herb by a large margin. superior and enhanced flavor of the genetics.

I apologize, im baked, just so amazing how flavorful these herbs are. thoughts? agree? disagree?

 

[hyroot]

^^^^ I agree 100%. Smoking on some bubble myself. From a mix of Cheese OG and NLxOG trim. Rols all night long all night. Curing for 3 months. Mine is long gone by a month after being done..

thoughts on rols pots

freshly pulled stalks out of pots. clover still sprouted. Thinking of sprinkling pureed oatmeal along with ewc to speed up process plus sst. drop plants in right away and veg for another 2 weeks... with out cooking pots for a month before transplanting into or use a new soil mix? already mixed and chillin.

 

[Shwagbag]

Mango Kush

Hey brothas and sistas now that I got your attention,

i just finish smoking some fine 3 month cured ROLS grown northern lights and 6 month cured yoda og!. they are both so amazingly tasty, every puff till the very end was consistent, smooth and flavorful, each puff just as good as the last. northern lights is hard for me to describe, I say skunky musk, the yoda og taste of strong OG with a hint of sweetness skunk FUEL taste...

It got me thinkin how i hear from many hydro and organic growers how organic grown herb taste more "earthy" or "floral"
Well isnt this false? If a strain is earthy by genetics then it will be earthy, but if its a cheese strain for example, then it should taste like cheese, not a earthy floral cheese taste. not saying floral or earthy is bad. just a misrepresentation on describing organic herb.

Dont get me started on how shitty hydro weed is(NO OFFENSE, OR FUCK IT TAKE OFFENCE), i live in cali, i know more hydro growers and see more hydro weed then there is water in cali! (Sure ive seen beautiful hydro weed, sure it smells good, but ive yet to try hydro weed that can compare to rols organic herb, prove me wrong)


Point being is rols herb increases the potential of the herb by a large margin. superior and enhanced flavor of the genetics.

I apologize, im baked, just so amazing how flavorful these herbs are. thoughts? agree? disagree?

Doing smoke reports whilst blazed is the best way! lol thanks for the detailed post.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Do they label what's been grown in what in dispensaries? Buncha middle man rip off $*&^%($# Organics should cost twice as much at least IMO!!! No poison and the best taste hands down! I was just on another thread and some jahck arse said he'd put his dro bud against any rols LMAO! He must smoke ports...no offense hyheels. I just read a survey, and am just starting to see it first hand, that 80% of people said they prefer regular shwagbag over top shelp?!?! I see it here were people 'can only afford' reggie. WTF...time to order some big bud grown in the three Ps (piss, peat, and perlite). This really is a huge game changer. Why smoke a blunt to just get buzzed, when you can blast on rols once or twice and be ripped for hours?!

 

[Shwagbag]

Do they label what's been grown in what in dispensaries? Buncha middle man rip off $*&^%($# Organics should cost twice as much at least IMO!!! No poison and the best taste hands down! I was just on another thread and some jahck arse said he'd put his dro bud against any rols LMAO! He must smoke ports...no offense hyheels. I just read a survey, and am just starting to see it first hand, that 80% of people said they prefer regular shwagbag over top shelp?!?! I see it here were people 'can only afford' reggie. WTF...time to order some big bud grown in the three Ps (piss, peat, and perlite). This really is a huge game changer. Why smoke a blunt to just get buzzed, when you can blast on rols once or twice and be ripped for hours?!

I don't know about the quality difference. If you're going after psychoactive pot, hydro will do every bit the potency of ROLS head to head, and most of the time out yield as well.

People will pay more because of the ideology IMO, not because its so much better. Its all dank, and most people can't even tell the difference between the two.

Can it smell and taste better? Sure, but that doesn't mean it always does because not everyone possesses the same skills to grow it, and not everyone puts in the extra efforts.

But yes, pretty much all of the pot here in Michigan is decent, and if someone can get a zip of dank that hasn't been meticulously trimmed for half or 2/3 the price of organic super dank, they'll probably take it. Organic only appeals to a small percentage of the people where I'm from, because money talks.

Me? I prefer organic top shelf, but I do grow it myself so that takes the monetary issue out of the equation lol.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Meeeshigan eh. Don't bring that dro crap down here My old dro guy's shit used to make me cough up snot, and had me pass out in center field seats while a home run ball missed my slouched over head by inches lol. No question about growth rate and potency. If I didn't notice the taste diff and care about what goes in me, than DWC and Big Bud it is.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I don't know about the quality difference. If you're going after psychoactive pot, hydro will do every bit the potency of ROLS head to head, and most of the time out yield as well.

People will pay more because of the ideology IMO, not because its so much better. Its all dank, and most people can't even tell the difference between the two.

Can it smell and taste better? Sure, but that doesn't mean it always does because not everyone possesses the same skills to grow it, and not everyone puts in the extra efforts.

But yes, pretty much all of the pot here in Michigan is decent, and if someone can get a zip of dank that hasn't been meticulously trimmed for half or 2/3 the price of organic super dank, they'll probably take it. Organic only appeals to a small percentage of the people where I'm from, because money talks.

Me? I prefer organic top shelf, but I do grow it myself so that takes the monetary issue out of the equation lol.

I see your point, and I don't entirely disagree. I 100% believe that bud grown with chemical ferts *can* be every bit as good as organically grown stuff. The problem is, it rarely is. I live in a medical state, and due to that I've had an opportunity to sample an ungodly amount of weed. The vast majority of the weed found in dispensaries does not stack up. If you stop and think about it, the reason why is clear.

Any given seed has a genetic potential. Our goal as growers is to reach that potential. When a properly amended and inoculated organic soil is put together your job as a grower is mostly done. The plant and the army of microbes are now in charge, and through 1,000's of years of practice they dance their dance in tandem satisfying the plants every need. When you grow using chemicals, you are bypassing the soil food web altogether. You are putting yourself in charge of the plants needs, and are equipped with only a nutrient feeding chart and the knowledge gleaned from a few grow journals online. You are basically guessing as to what the plant needs, and when it needs it.

Having said that, I do believe that someone with a good eye and a green thumb can a dial a plant in very well using chemical ferts...... but only after working with that specific strain for a few runs.

 

[GandalfdaGreen]

I see your point, and I don't entirely disagree. I 100% believe that bud grown with chemical ferts *can* be every bit as good as organically grown stuff. The problem is, it rarely is. I live in a medical state, and due to that I've had an opportunity to sample an ungodly amount of weed. The vast majority of the weed found in dispensaries does not stack up. If you stop and think about it, the reason why is clear.

Any given seed has a genetic potential. Our goal as growers is to reach that potential. When a properly amended and inoculated organic soil is put together your job as a grower is mostly done. The plant and the army of microbes are now in charge, and through 1,000's of years of practice they dance their dance in tandem satisfying the plants every need. When you grow using chemicals, you are bypassing the soil food web altogether. You are putting yourself in charge of the plants needs, and are equipped with only a nutrient feeding chart and the knowledge gleaned from a few grow journals online. You are basically guessing as to what the plant needs, and when it needs it.

Having said that, I do believe that someone with a good eye and a green thumb can a dial a plant in very well using chemical ferts...... but only after working with that specific strain for a few runs.

Blasphemy. Pure Blasphemy.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

What brand of BTI dunks are safe to use? Apparently my CTs, chitin, and VC don't contain chitin eating bacteria. Please don't answer 'hydro stow'

 

[st0wandgrow]

I use this ....

http://www.amazon.com/Mosquito-Dunks-117-6-30-Ounce-Bits/dp/B0001AUF8G

Never tried any other brand.

edit: I got a good deal on some at Home Depot not long ago. When mosquitoes aren't a problem (around November/December) they discount whatever stock they have left. I believe I got it 50% off.

 

[foreverflyhi]

Good to see other perspectives on the matter. Its really hard for me to accept hydro being just as good organic. Thinking about that makes me get chills in my spine.

Im blessed enough to have the choice of food i eat, and i am also blessed enough to choose what herbs i inhale. Alot of people dont have this option, i can see why some people would choose swag or cheap hydro weed over the more expensive organic quality, its simple capitalist economics, most people struggle to gget by and therefore hydro crap and dollar menu is simply more convenient, sadly.

I stck to what i said earlier, i have yet to try a hydro weed that can come close to rols.

yo red where is this thread u speak of with the hydro dude? Ima take my whip out and regulate

 

[st0wandgrow]

Good to see other perspectives on the matter. Its really hard for me to accept hydro being just as good organic. Thinking about that makes me get chills in my spine honestly.

Im blessed enough to have the choice of food i eat, and i am also blessed enough to choose what herbs i inhale. Alot of people dont have this option, i can see why some people would choose swag or cheap hudro weed over the mor expensive organic qualkty herb, its simple economics, most people struggle to gget by and therefore hydro crap and dollar menu is simply more convenient, sadly.

I stck to what i said earlier, i have yet to try a hydro weed that can come close to rols.

yo red where is this thread u speak of with the hydro dude? Ima take my whip out and regulate

I'm on your side. Really I am. lol

There are other factors involved. I want to smoke the cleanest product possible, and more importantly I want any sick patient that might smoke my bud to be inhaling something completely devoid of chemicals. I'm not sure how using chemicals to grow would translate in to what bi-products (if any) are present in the bud when it's smoked, but I'd rather not take that chance. There is also the environmental and sustainability factor as well which makes growing organically an easy choice.

I really do stand by my comment on quality though. 9 times out of 10 an organically grown bud will be superior, but if you find an experienced chemical fert grower that has worked with a strain for a while, you wouldn't be able to distinguish between that bud and the organic bud. There are a couple growers here on RIU that grow using chemicals, and I have sampled their wares ...... and it's damn good.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

I use this ....

http://www.amazon.com/Mosquito-Dunks-117-6-30-Ounce-Bits/dp/B0001AUF8G

Never tried any other brand.

edit: I got a good deal on some at Home Depot not long ago. When mosquitoes aren't a problem (around November/December) they discount whatever stock they have left. I believe I got it 50% off.

Why are you buying bacteria hydro Stow? I looked at the HD brand's label and it said 2% pesticide or something like that. 1 dunk covers 100 sq'...sooo it should treat around 9 cu ft?! 1 cu ft being 12 sq ft right? This is prob wrong as I'm visualizing a effin cubed foot in my head. Feel like Raneman. Definitely 1728 cu" in a cu ' definitely.

Whatever, how do you apply? I have a CT brewing now, can I just add it in? Should I crush and TD? Thanks stowdro!

 

[foreverflyhi]

I'm on your side. Really I am. lol

There are other factors involved. I want to smoke the cleanest product possible, and more importantly I want any sick patient that might smoke my bud to be inhaling something completely devoid of chemicals. I'm not sure how using chemicals to grow would translate in to what bi-products (if any) are present in the bud when it's smoked, but I'd rather not take that chance. There is also the environmental and sustainability factor as well which makes growing organically an easy choice.

I really do stand by my comment on quality though. 9 times out of 10 an organically grown bud will be superior, but if you find an experienced chemical fert grower that has worked with a strain for a while, you wouldn't be able to distinguish between that bud and the organic bud. There are a couple growers here on RIU that grow using chemicals, and I have sampled their wares ...... and it's damn good.

Well said, i geuss i just have to find one of then 1 in a million hydro growers. Kinda ironic that most hydro growers i know would probley claim they are the best hydro grower haha

 

[st0wandgrow]

Why are you buying bacteria hydro Stow? I looked at the HD brand's label and it said 2% pesticide or something like that. 1 dunk covers 100 sq'...sooo it should treat around 9 cu ft?! 1 cu ft being 12 sq ft right? This is prob wrong as I'm visualizing a effin cubed foot in my head. Feel like Raneman. Definitely 1728 cu" in a cu ' definitely.

Whatever, how do you apply? I have a CT brewing now, can I just add it in? Should I crush and TD? Thanks stowdro!

http://mmbr.asm.org/content/62/3/775.full

 

[st0wandgrow]

Red, I buy the granules and add 2 tablespoons per container (7 gallon) as a top-dress then water in. I put sticky traps on the surface of the soil to trap the adults. You shouldn't see any gnats in about 2 weeks. At least that's been my experience.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Why are you buying bacteria hydro Stow? I looked at the HD brand's label and it said 2% pesticide or something like that. 1 dunk covers 100 sq'...sooo it should treat around 9 cu ft?! 1 cu ft being 12 sq ft right? This is prob wrong as I'm visualizing a effin cubed foot in my head. Feel like Raneman. Definitely 1728 cu" in a cu ' definitely.

Whatever, how do you apply? I have a CT brewing now, can I just add it in? Should I crush and TD? Thanks stowdro!

You spell like Rain Man too.

 

[Shwagbag]

Awesome discussion peeps. And I definitely agree that much is left in the hands of the grower with nutes, often too much. I much prefer organic, and when its done organically, I tend to love it even more.... The science behind it seems to be more rewarding as a grower, and that makes it fun as hell. Keep up the good work everyone

 

[Mohican]

The compost pile grow was so easy and so healthy. I think the stump may even reveg it is still so healthy!

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

I have not met or done any hydro that doesn't have that 'crispiness' or hint of mint. The growth is insane in DWC and DTW! That's why I ran coco several runs. Felt like the best of both worlds. My go to was DNA Lemon Skunk. 54-56 days every time, stable as anything, potent, and good yielder. I'm thinking about converting half my space to cheap coco/KISS method...joining the dark lord synth and saving the good stuff for I.