Stark Raving
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Huh, I'm definitely interested to hear what they say also. I would much prefer composting. I'm a farmer, and would happily do it on my land too. (Keep your money HC, just give me free compost! MUWAHAHAHA!)
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Stark Raving
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How much is an incinerator like the one in the video?
itsmehigh
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"Please note that all waste cannabis material from cultivation or production is considered to be a controlled substance with the exception of mature cannabis stalks that do not include leaves, flowers, branches or seeds; and fibers derived from the stalks as well as any non-viable cannabis seeds as per Schedule II of the CDSA. Waste cannabis material that is a controlled I substance must be secured in accordance with the CDSA and as outlined in Health Canadas Directive on Physical Security Requirements for Controlled Substances (Security Directive) until destroyed."
leaves and waste are treated like dried bud. Must be stored in level 4 security, until destroyed. Compost is not destroying, this will not fly with HC. Must be incinerated on site or removed by a qualified 3rd party for destruction.
cheers Itsme.
leaves and waste are treated like dried bud. Must be stored in level 4 security, until destroyed. Compost is not destroying, this will not fly with HC. Must be incinerated on site or removed by a qualified 3rd party for destruction.
cheers Itsme.
itsmehigh
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$30k delivered and set up
http://www.firelakemfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/A200-Spec-Sheet.pdf
$18k delivered and set up.
cheers Itsme.
LPwannabe2
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VIANARCHRIS - I was not talking about the destruction of cannabis grown under MMAR. This is a MMPR thread, and every question here should be directed towards MMPR issues. Funny though.
Kgirl - I was not being sarcastic. Incineration is probably the only acceptable method. Good luck with your compost pile, perhaps I'm wrong.
itsmehigh - I've been looking at the MediBurn too. However, link you posted is a different product. Which was 18k and which was 30k?
Adam@AC - what were the pros and cons of outsourcing waste disposal vs. in-house? Just cost?
Kgirl - I was not being sarcastic. Incineration is probably the only acceptable method. Good luck with your compost pile, perhaps I'm wrong.
itsmehigh - I've been looking at the MediBurn too. However, link you posted is a different product. Which was 18k and which was 30k?
Adam@AC - what were the pros and cons of outsourcing waste disposal vs. in-house? Just cost?
Adam@AC
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The biggest issues we were having was with these parts of the mmpr regarding destruction;
i. If cannabis material is destroyed by a third party destruction company, then indicate that the SPIC, RPIC and/or A/RPIC will accompany the cannabis to the location where it is to de destroyed.
ii. The proposed destruction method in conformity with the requirements outlined in this provision and indicate if the waste material will be denatured prior to storage while it awaits final disposal/destruction
Even though Stericycle is authorized for destruction under mmpr and have a location in my city their closest incinerator is in the province next me. Health Canada was not too keen on them transporting for us even though it is tracked throughout the trip, tamper proof tagging on container, destroyed at location by someone certified etc. The denaturing while waiting for transport would be a pita plus having to store it in our vault. Any waste will be tossed in the incinerator on site and destroyed immediately as needed.
i. If cannabis material is destroyed by a third party destruction company, then indicate that the SPIC, RPIC and/or A/RPIC will accompany the cannabis to the location where it is to de destroyed.
ii. The proposed destruction method in conformity with the requirements outlined in this provision and indicate if the waste material will be denatured prior to storage while it awaits final disposal/destruction
Even though Stericycle is authorized for destruction under mmpr and have a location in my city their closest incinerator is in the province next me. Health Canada was not too keen on them transporting for us even though it is tracked throughout the trip, tamper proof tagging on container, destroyed at location by someone certified etc. The denaturing while waiting for transport would be a pita plus having to store it in our vault. Any waste will be tossed in the incinerator on site and destroyed immediately as needed.
VIANARCHRIS
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I was being a bit factitious, but cannabis grown under the new MMPR doesn't concern me or the many other patients here. It is almost a guarantee that the courts will strike the MMPR down as unconstitutional and we'll have legalization for recreational use before they can make changes. I hope for the LP's sake they develop international customers because they won't be getting a lot of business domestically.
LPwannabe2
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This isn't really the place for this debate - but I just have to take the bait. I hope for the sake of all patients that you're right. Everyone deserves the right to grow their own and I don't have any respect for people that don't hold that belief. It's outrageous that the plant is being treated the way it is. That being said, not everyone is so confident about the "guarantee" that it will be struck down. At best, I think MMAR patients will be "grandfathered-in". But let's say you're right - everyone can grow their own and there is recreational use. Not everyone WILL grow their own, and commercial producers will still be held to the same regulations that currently exist for LPs. All to say that there will always be a lot of business domestically.
PunkyDorrie
Active Member
I recall that, as well. Makes it seem like Conroy is perhaps being a bit misleading about how he presents the case. [pleasedonate]
Missbell81
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Hey guys, anyone run into issues with the updated 3rd party consent to release personal info? They went ahead and changed some things, now a copy must be sent apparently (i followed the original instructions, and I'm sure I'm not alone)
.. "As part of the Security Clearance Application process, each of the individuals identified above will also be required to complete the Security Clearance Fingerprint Third Party Consent to Release Personal Information form that will allow a Canadian police force or a fingerprinting company accredited by the RCMP to submit fingerprints to the RCMP for the purposes of a criminal record check. A list of agencies accredited by the RCMP can be found online. The Security Clearance Fingerprint Third Party Consent to Release Personal Information form can be found online. Health Canada does not need to be provided with a copy of this consent form."
Sooo does the form have to be redone now?
At what point did they decide it had to be submitted and why weren't we notified?!
if anyone can share or shed some light it would be appreciated, HC is slower than ever at responding these days.
.. "As part of the Security Clearance Application process, each of the individuals identified above will also be required to complete the Security Clearance Fingerprint Third Party Consent to Release Personal Information form that will allow a Canadian police force or a fingerprinting company accredited by the RCMP to submit fingerprints to the RCMP for the purposes of a criminal record check. A list of agencies accredited by the RCMP can be found online. The Security Clearance Fingerprint Third Party Consent to Release Personal Information form can be found online. Health Canada does not need to be provided with a copy of this consent form."
Sooo does the form have to be redone now?
At what point did they decide it had to be submitted and why weren't we notified?!
if anyone can share or shed some light it would be appreciated, HC is slower than ever at responding these days.
VIANARCHRIS
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How do you equate a court date with the attorney being 'misleading'? In his previous update, John Conroy had said he would like to get a date in early February. Unfortunately, the litigants to not get to pick the date the judge hears the case, and he got March 18. It's a little later than we hoped but we'll have a ruling before the 31st and I keep growing. For that matter, I keep growing regardless of a ruling!
We discussed this with them after we made it through the first phase (they arrange a phone call where you get to speak with people who actually know stuff). They told us that an anaerobic digestor would be good, so I assume a composter will work. We plan to use a composter system in a locked room, but this is not yet set in stone.
LPwannabe2
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Thanks Kron. Does the anaerobic digester pose any QA problems? Are you growing with soil? How long did it take from application submission to get your "letter to build"?
Hey everybody
First time posting, lots of good stuff here thanks to everyone who contributed. Just submitted an app. to HC about 2 weeks ago. Wish I would've stumbled upon this site months ago!! Just looking for people in the same boat that wanna share info and keep each other updated on the status of our apps.
We attended the green line seminar and have done extensive research in order to compile the necessary info to put our app. together.
Lots of good stuff to share !! Email if interested . [email protected]
First time posting, lots of good stuff here thanks to everyone who contributed. Just submitted an app. to HC about 2 weeks ago. Wish I would've stumbled upon this site months ago!! Just looking for people in the same boat that wanna share info and keep each other updated on the status of our apps.
We attended the green line seminar and have done extensive research in order to compile the necessary info to put our app. together.
Lots of good stuff to share !! Email if interested . [email protected]
itsmehigh
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From what I understand, the 3rd party consent form is you giving permission to whomever is taking your fingerprints, and page 5 of the security clearance application gives HC permission to search your name. HC does not need the 3rd party consent form. At least they haven't ask it form us.
cheers Itsme.
I dont see why it would pose any problems with QA, can you elaborate? We plan to grow hydroponically.
We had to withdraw our application due to zoning issues so we never actually received our letter to build, but I think we were close. We got the request for a phone call after two months or so.
LPwannabe2
New Member
By QA problems I only meant that the process of anaerobic digestion involves all kinds of bacteria (I'm not familiar enough to comment with any authority), and seems like it might be a vulnerability in the sanitation program. I'm sure you figured it out though. Sorry to hear about the zoning issue, that must have been very demoralizing.
Your request for a phone call - I haven't heard of that before. My understanding of the IDEAL scenario is: you submit your application, wait for about 2-3 months to get your letter to build from HC (assuming no need for more information), then you build the site, wait for an inspection (about 6 months later?), then are approved. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. How does the phone call fit into this?
StPatrick71
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Hey guys !!!!
About Quality assurance, which publication are you going to use ??? Any one got a link for European Pharmacopeia (Free) ?
Thanks
About Quality assurance, which publication are you going to use ??? Any one got a link for European Pharmacopeia (Free) ?
Thanks