More Global Warming

[Doer]

I bet no one has thought about this. 1) the emerging nations have to be paid to go along with this rip.....so a double rip off. 2) no one can say why their precious computer models don't predict this flat spot. We should be quite bit warmer by now, these last 15 years, plus a measurable rise is sea leave, but there are not these data. All this energy in, but somehow unaccounted for. Maybe we don't have the entire picture, huh? Maybe the Saganists are wrong again.

3) no one account for global shipping.

April 23, 2009 The Guardian has reported on new research showing that in one year, a single large container ship can emit cancer and asthma-causing pollutants equivalent to that of 50 million cars. The low grade bunker fuel used by the worlds 90,000 cargo ships contains up to 2,000 times the amount of sulfur compared to diesel fuel used in automobiles. The recent boom in the global trade of manufactured goods has also resulted in a new breed of super sized container ship which consume fuel not by the gallons, but by tons per hour, and shipping now accounts for 90% of global trade by volume.
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That says nothing of all the fuel we burn to protect it all. So, all shipping can't be 50 million cars each. But, let us say the average is 20 million car pollution, carbon credits per ship x 9000 ships in service.


That is the pollution of 1.8 billions autos, all over our oceans every year. According to a report from Ward's Auto the global number of cars exceeded 1.015 billion in 2010, jumping from from 980 million the year before.

So, doesn't anyone see the problem? The oceans are completely unregulated and account for a doubling of the pollution and carbon credits needed over auto mfg.

No wonder Al Gore is a rich turd bird.

 

[twostrokenut]

Aye! Let's regulate the high seas arrrrrrrrrg!

Finally we can pay the high costs of our beliefs and principles....bring it.

 

[UncleBuck]

[mistaking of weather for climate]

Global Warming, please have your bank account information ready.

tax breaks for solar panels and energy efficient appliances are a conspiracy to take our money by letting us keep more of it.

 

[heckler73]

3) no one account for global shipping.

I can't say I have given that avenue much thought.

That says nothing of all the fuel we burn to protect it all. So, all shipping can't be 50 million cars each. But, let us say the average is 20 million car pollution, carbon credits per ship x 9000 ships in service.

That is the pollution of 1.8 billions autos, all over our oceans every year. According to a report from Ward's Auto the global number of cars exceeded 1.015 billion in 2010, jumping from from 980 million the year before.

ehhh... 20E6*9E3=180E9, or 180 BILLION

You missed it by a factor of 100
And if that number has any accuracy whatsoever (what would be a Gaussian mean?), that's mind-boggling!

Are you sure the active service number is 9000? It doesn't seem out of the range of possibility, but I am curious where you got that from.

EDIT: found a site...
http://www.gizmag.com/shipping-pollution/11526/

EDIT 2: In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated parts of our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil, basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the same as asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's the cheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chew through an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% of all exported oil production from Saudi Arabia, the worlds largest oil exporter.

 

[kelly4]

Boatsbadbanboatsnow!

 

[heckler73]

Boatsbadbanboatsnow!

No. FIXBOATSNAOMAKEGOOD!

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Any idiot gullible enough to purchase a carbon credit deserves a pointed finger and guffaw in addition to the senseless loss of wealth. As does any fool proposing it as a remedy for this hoax.

 

[UncleBuck]

Any idiot gullible enough to purchase a carbon credit deserves a pointed finger and guffaw in addition to the senseless loss of wealth. As does any fool proposing it as a remedy for this hoax.

lol, hoax.

i believe hoax is at about 40% in the public polls, but i could be off by about 20 points or so. last i checked, i believe it was 54-40.

anyhoo, do tell me more about how financial incentives to consume less energy and save money are actually a scheme to do the exact opposite, as you have implied.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

lol, hoax.

i believe hoax is at about 40% in the public polls, but i could be off by about 20 points or so. last i checked, i believe it was 54-40.

anyhoo, do tell me more about how financial incentives to consume less energy and save money are actually a scheme to do the exact opposite, as you have implied.

Bad dog. Little bastard is bustin ass again. Who fed the dog chili?

 

[Doer]

lol, hoax.

i believe hoax is at about 40% in the public polls, but i could be off by about 20 points or so. last i checked, i believe it was 54-40.

anyhoo, do tell me more about how financial incentives to consume less energy and save money are actually a scheme to do the exact opposite, as you have implied.

It is all a hoax to consume less energy. Bingo. You said it. But is it a much, much darker hoax on the 3rd world than your agenda will admit to you. So, your little Saganist marketing ploy has already causes death and upheaval in the developing nations as Gore picks winner and losers.

But, what Liberal really cares about the Wog?

The thing about these Saganists is they are so shallow. Just a bunch of white guys having it on with the darkies, again, to me. New Colonialism, sure as shit.

Like Lucy and the football. Oh, Cold War, yeah, I can't let you kick that anymore. Too expensive.

Let's try a new ass kicker. Climate Change@! Here we go. The road to new profit, is paved on the backs carbon credit slavery.

 

[kelly4]

So, me and the kid are up at Pot Mountain, and giant flakes of global warming are dumping down. Wow!


Thanks again, Mr. Gore.

 

[Doer]

So, me and the kid are up at Pot Mountain, and giant flakes of global warming are dumping down. Wow!


Thanks again, Mr. Gore.

S'mor global warming. Have you noticed how easy is to toast S'mors outdoors these days.

S'mor climate change.

 

[UncleBuck]

the people who don't know the difference between weather and climate, or scientific polling and partisan talking points, should be the ones to teach us about the complex science of anthropogenic global warming.

it's just the right thing to do.

 

[Dr Kynes]

the people who don't know the difference between weather and climate, or scientific polling and partisan talking points, should be the ones to teach us about the complex science of anthropogenic global warming.

it's just the right thing to do.

67% of climate science research papers DONT lay global warming at the feet of humans, but you still maintain that "97% of climate scientists" agree with your hysterical claims, so everybody should shut up and listen to your spastic freakouts over the weather.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

67% of climate science research papers DONT lay global warming at the feet of humans, but you still maintain that "97% of climate scientists" agree with your hysterical claims, so everybody should shut up and listen to your spastic freakouts over the weather.

Not to mention 0% of models being accurate and 0% of the dire predictions of the last 20+ years coming to pass.

<citation unecessary>

 

[jahbrudda]

67% of climate science research papers DONT lay global warming at the feet of humans, but you still maintain that "97% of climate scientists" agree with your hysterical claims, so everybody should shut up and listen to your spastic freakouts over the weather.

Not to mention 0% of models being accurate and 0% of the dire predictions of the last 20+ years coming to pass.

<citation unecessary>

But, but...., you guys just don't understand science. lulz...........................

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Errr nohz, the polar bears. Think of the polar bears. Wait...what? They've quadrupled in numbers and are thriving? What an inconvenient truth.

 

[Doer]

No Ice, no Bears? No. Just not so many Canuks around there any more. Yummmm.

 

[Padawanbater2]

But, but...., you guys just don't understand science. lulz...........................

You don't. You also don't know how to tell if you're reading something from someone who was paid to make sure you accept a certain set of talking points, as evidenced by this thread, and the two other climate change threads we've got going. UB pointed out how each one of your sources comes from someone known to accept money in exchange for getting you to believe the bullshit instead of the science. All you've come back with is "the government pays them to tell them it's man made!" again, without showing any evidence to support it, as highlighted by canndo. He's cited sources that show you exactly what you're saying is true only with your own sources.

You've been duped, tricked, hoodwinked, conned, misled, swindled, cheated, deceived, outwitted, shafted and spoofed! Like I told you before, the smug arrogance you show is just the cherry on top! Too stupid to know it, and PROUD! That's the most satisfying kind of stupid if you ask me


So nowhere to go to learn about real climate science because all those liberal universities are bought off by the government to push an ACC agenda!.. I guess you should just keep reading right wing sources and climate change deniers papers they can't get past peer review... Maybe you can get those millions of dollars to sway public opinion geared toward proving natural processes are entirely responsible we see in the average rise in climate (even though you guys deny that too...)

 

[UncleBuck]

67% of climate science research papers DONT lay global warming at the feet of humans

67% of papers make no comment whatsoever about whether it is humans, whether it isn;t humans, or whether they don't know.

but of the 33% that do say human, not human, or don't know, 97% say it is caused by humans.

the mere fact that you have gone from outright lying to subtly lying betrays the cognitive dissonance you harbor.

by the way, i have you on record saying that it is humans.