Doc Weedlaw
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120-140 juiced..30 g makes me 3 grams of hash..I smoke and vape 20-30 g per day allows I make oil caps and that allows me 10 - 20 so for edibles and teas..
your thoughts on today's court case(federal)
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[h=2]Statement from Health Canada regarding decision in Allard et al. v. Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Canada[/h]March 21, 2014
OTTAWA – Health Canada is committed to the implementation of the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations in order to provide Canadians reasonable access to dried marijuana for medical purposes, while protecting public safety.
Health Canada will review the decision in detail and consider its options.
When the Marihuana Medical Access Program was introduced in 2001 in response to a Court decision, the number of people authorized to possess marijuana for medical purposes stood at less than 100. Over the years that number has grown to close to 40,000.
The rapid expansion under the Marihuana Medical Access Program has had significant unintended consequences on public health, safety and security. Under this Program, people growing marijuana in private homes added to health, safety and security risks. The high value of marijuana on the illicit market increases the risks of home invasion and diversion. And these production operations present fire and toxic mould hazards. These risks are not only felt by the home producers, but also by their neighbours and the community.
While the Courts have said there must be reasonable access to marijuana for medical purposes, Health Canada’s goal is to treat dried marijuana as much as possible like other narcotic drugs used for medical purposes. The Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations are intended to provide reasonable access for those Canadians who need access to dried marijuana for medical purposes with the support of a health-care practitioner, while protecting public safety.
It is also important for Canadians to remember that marijuana is not an approved drug or medicine in Canada.
OTTAWA – Health Canada is committed to the implementation of the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations in order to provide Canadians reasonable access to dried marijuana for medical purposes, while protecting public safety.
Health Canada will review the decision in detail and consider its options.
When the Marihuana Medical Access Program was introduced in 2001 in response to a Court decision, the number of people authorized to possess marijuana for medical purposes stood at less than 100. Over the years that number has grown to close to 40,000.
The rapid expansion under the Marihuana Medical Access Program has had significant unintended consequences on public health, safety and security. Under this Program, people growing marijuana in private homes added to health, safety and security risks. The high value of marijuana on the illicit market increases the risks of home invasion and diversion. And these production operations present fire and toxic mould hazards. These risks are not only felt by the home producers, but also by their neighbours and the community.
While the Courts have said there must be reasonable access to marijuana for medical purposes, Health Canada’s goal is to treat dried marijuana as much as possible like other narcotic drugs used for medical purposes. The Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations are intended to provide reasonable access for those Canadians who need access to dried marijuana for medical purposes with the support of a health-care practitioner, while protecting public safety.
It is also important for Canadians to remember that marijuana is not an approved drug or medicine in Canada.
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the first sentence and last sentence of the HC release kind of ixnays each statement !
these people are lost.
these people are lost.
j0yr1d3
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I actually posted this yesterday already but whatever. Sounds like they are butt hurt they didn't get to totally implement their soul sucking for profit model. Boo hoo. Bunch of hypocrites plain and simple. Guess they should've pulled their heads out their asses and thought about actual patients instead of pleasing corporate interests.
GroErr
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Blah, blah, blah. What they're saying is it sucks they lost, those with licenses can keep growing (they have no choice there, that's the current law, wether they like it or not). But they'll go ahead with the MPR program, that's so the investors don't back off their plans knowing their market just shrunk big time for likely at least one year, ha.
WHATFG
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You need to re-read it. I said this yesterday - it almost seems like they might let it go and just move ahead with new patients. They will "review the decision and consider options" think about it this way...if they give us what we want, there is no more constitutional challenge is there?
GroErr
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New patients are likely sol, you're right, but at least existing licenses can go on, they can't go against the court order until it's sorted out.
WHATFG
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But they don't have to contest it either that's what I'm getting at. Any truly legal people here please chime in.
GroErr
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I doubt they'd take it as far as going ahead against a court decision, they were told to maintain the status quo, meaning everything except that 150g carry limit is to remain as-is. It's possible they might try and push it, but even if they do, what cop is going to charge someone for growing against a court ordered stay. And what judge is going to hear a case of someone with an existing license getting charged and go against the supreme court? Total waste of time, so for those who had an existing license, there's nothing to worry about as far as I'm concerned.
jessica d
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yes they know now they are gona loose bad and get royally in sh*t so they might drop it totally.
VIANARCHRIS
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I understand what you're saying...grant existing mmar patients exemptions, thereby stopping the SC challenge and allowing the for-profit model to go ahead for new patients. I don't like that option as it puts the next guy in the same situation that I was in. I think we have to force them to go ahead with the challenge to settle this for everyone. I honestly think we'll have legalization in the very near future and with the timing of the court case in 12 months, we should have a ruling just as the election campaigns heat up!
WHATFG
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Thank you...I wasn't sure how I. Was going to clarify that, but you are absolutely right. Would it surprise you? I agree that we have to force it to trial and get a decision that works for everyone. Do you think that allowing patients say 6 plants is going to satisfy all parties? I know there was a guy from Medijean who figures there is a potential 2 million patients so there is room for everyone. Not everyone will want to grow until it starts to cost them an arm and a leg to stay medicated.
6 plants...more like the complete opposite. Meds are meds.
A patient should be able to have different meds.
From Concentrates to Vapes, balms, tinctures and juice. All should be allowed for each individual as they all have their place and work. The right to choose medication that works rather than shit that could kill you.
Seems an easy choice.
A patient should be able to have different meds.
From Concentrates to Vapes, balms, tinctures and juice. All should be allowed for each individual as they all have their place and work. The right to choose medication that works rather than shit that could kill you.
Seems an easy choice.
Congrats to all you legit patients out there!! Conroy isn't done yet. HC's gonna continue to get spanked.
Congrats to the LP's and wannabee's who now have some nice new alarm systems, fences, secured buildings to show off
without earning a profit from.
Maybe Revenue Canada can let you claim it as a loss or maybe karma will fuck you over for the being the greedy bastards you are.
Congrats to the LP's and wannabee's who now have some nice new alarm systems, fences, secured buildings to show off
without earning a profit from.Maybe Revenue Canada can let you claim it as a loss or maybe karma will fuck you over for the being the greedy bastards you are.
VIANARCHRIS
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In my estimation, the government has lost the war on pot and the prohibition of marijuana is in it's dying days. I don't suspect the police or courts are going to concern themselves with any but the biggest illegal grows and distribution when there is little public appetite for enforcement. The constitutional challenge should be decided just as the federal election is getting underway keeping it in the media and making it an election issue. It's extremely troubling to have to sue your own government for the right to grow or use a plant and that must be addressed at the voting booth.
Here is my response to Health Canada's response to yesterdays court decision.
March 21, 2014
OTTAWA – "Health Canada is committed to the implementation of the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations in order to provide Canadians reasonable access to dried marijuana for medical purposes, while protecting public safety."
Health Canada has, at every opportunity, tried to prevent or impede the use of cannabis by anyone, for any reason. Their claim of providing reasonable access while actually putting up barriers is a complete lie. The lawyers for Health Canada were asked but failed to substantiate their claims of public safety risks as a result of growing cannabis.
Health Canada will review the decision in detail and consider its options.
Health Canada has very limited options at this time. One option I've heard bantered about is giving existing medical users a lifetime exemption but requiring all new patients to participate in the new mmpr. That would kill the constitutional challenge and allow the much touted multi-billion dollar commercial grower market to get started. The other involves municipalities banning medical grows but that will not stand up to a court challenge.
"When the Marihuana Medical Access Program was introduced in 2001 in response to a Court decision, the number of people authorized to possess marijuana for medical purposes stood at less than 100. Over the years that number has grown to close to 40,000."
You have to marvel at the genius of the Health Canada employee who wrote this profound statement. The direct result, and in MOST cases the GOAL,of implementing a new program is to get participants.Surely they didn't think there were only 100 Canadians who could benefit from cannabis. Thats like saying "when the flu vaccine was introduced there were 5000 participants now that number is 500,000!"
"The rapid expansion under the Marihuana Medical Access Program has had significant unintended consequences on public health, safety and security. Under this Program, people growing marijuana in private homes added to health, safety and security risks. The high value of marijuana on the illicit market increases the risks of home invasion and diversion. And these production operations present fire and toxic mould hazards. These risks are not only felt by the home producers, but also by their neighbours and the community."
Health Canada again stresses the non-existant health,safety and security risks. They stress the high value as a risk for home invasion. I can store about 1 1/2 lbs. which has a street value of about $2500, many homes have items of much higher value. I don't think there is an epidemic of home invasion in this country, and I am interested to know the percentage of those that were on medical grows. The fire and mould hazards are found in illegal grow sites where do-it yourself wiring and stolen power and hiding the odour from neighbours is common. Someone licensed to grow doesn't face those issues. In all of it I still cannot imagine how my growing a plant causes a risk to my neighbours or community.If the government actually followed the wishes of the people as they are elected to do and end prohibition, every one of those supposed threats are eliminated.
"While the Courts have said there must be reasonable access to marijuana for medical purposes, Health Canada’s goal is to treat dried marijuana as much as possible like other narcotic drugs used for medical purposes. The Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations are intended to provide reasonable access for those Canadians who need access to dried marijuana for medical purposes with the support of a health-care practitioner, while protecting public safety.It is also important for Canadians to remember that marijuana is not an approved drug or medicine in Canada."
This paragraph pretty much sums up the governments' position on cannabis use and it's contempt of those of us who have fought for the right to use it as medicine. They begin by saying the courts have forced them to allow the use of cannabis so they are going to treat it like morphine and Oxy's. The obvious difference is that cannabis has never killed anyone, but I could get a prescription for enough painkillers to take out a small village! The final statement takes the cake. They claim to provide reasonable access with the support of a doctor then stress that it is not an approved drug. Imagine the frustration patients feel when they try to convince a doctor to prescribe something that is not approved by Health Canada. Thats not what a sane person would call reasonable access.
Here is my response to Health Canada's response to yesterdays court decision.
March 21, 2014
OTTAWA – "Health Canada is committed to the implementation of the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations in order to provide Canadians reasonable access to dried marijuana for medical purposes, while protecting public safety."
Health Canada has, at every opportunity, tried to prevent or impede the use of cannabis by anyone, for any reason. Their claim of providing reasonable access while actually putting up barriers is a complete lie. The lawyers for Health Canada were asked but failed to substantiate their claims of public safety risks as a result of growing cannabis.
Health Canada will review the decision in detail and consider its options.
Health Canada has very limited options at this time. One option I've heard bantered about is giving existing medical users a lifetime exemption but requiring all new patients to participate in the new mmpr. That would kill the constitutional challenge and allow the much touted multi-billion dollar commercial grower market to get started. The other involves municipalities banning medical grows but that will not stand up to a court challenge.
"When the Marihuana Medical Access Program was introduced in 2001 in response to a Court decision, the number of people authorized to possess marijuana for medical purposes stood at less than 100. Over the years that number has grown to close to 40,000."
You have to marvel at the genius of the Health Canada employee who wrote this profound statement. The direct result, and in MOST cases the GOAL,of implementing a new program is to get participants.Surely they didn't think there were only 100 Canadians who could benefit from cannabis. Thats like saying "when the flu vaccine was introduced there were 5000 participants now that number is 500,000!"
"The rapid expansion under the Marihuana Medical Access Program has had significant unintended consequences on public health, safety and security. Under this Program, people growing marijuana in private homes added to health, safety and security risks. The high value of marijuana on the illicit market increases the risks of home invasion and diversion. And these production operations present fire and toxic mould hazards. These risks are not only felt by the home producers, but also by their neighbours and the community."
Health Canada again stresses the non-existant health,safety and security risks. They stress the high value as a risk for home invasion. I can store about 1 1/2 lbs. which has a street value of about $2500, many homes have items of much higher value. I don't think there is an epidemic of home invasion in this country, and I am interested to know the percentage of those that were on medical grows. The fire and mould hazards are found in illegal grow sites where do-it yourself wiring and stolen power and hiding the odour from neighbours is common. Someone licensed to grow doesn't face those issues. In all of it I still cannot imagine how my growing a plant causes a risk to my neighbours or community.If the government actually followed the wishes of the people as they are elected to do and end prohibition, every one of those supposed threats are eliminated.
"While the Courts have said there must be reasonable access to marijuana for medical purposes, Health Canada’s goal is to treat dried marijuana as much as possible like other narcotic drugs used for medical purposes. The Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations are intended to provide reasonable access for those Canadians who need access to dried marijuana for medical purposes with the support of a health-care practitioner, while protecting public safety.It is also important for Canadians to remember that marijuana is not an approved drug or medicine in Canada."
This paragraph pretty much sums up the governments' position on cannabis use and it's contempt of those of us who have fought for the right to use it as medicine. They begin by saying the courts have forced them to allow the use of cannabis so they are going to treat it like morphine and Oxy's. The obvious difference is that cannabis has never killed anyone, but I could get a prescription for enough painkillers to take out a small village! The final statement takes the cake. They claim to provide reasonable access with the support of a doctor then stress that it is not an approved drug. Imagine the frustration patients feel when they try to convince a doctor to prescribe something that is not approved by Health Canada. Thats not what a sane person would call reasonable access.