Removing fan leaves during flowering

[neo12345]

I'm just a noob and I came here to learn but there is only fights.. so..
I'm gonna state what my intuition tells me about defoliation by observation only..
As a young plant, be defoliated doesn't seem to decrease growth a lot, actually it seems to increase, since the plant exchange the energy to new 'nodes'.. so after 1 or 2 days stunted, it comes back vigorously and 'bushier'.. You dont want to cut down all your leaves, though.. '-'
However, in flower, as an adult plant which spend all its energy to produce buds, I don't see why cut the source of energy or 'factory' of sugars which it has build all its life...

It would be interesting to discuss your growing experiences with defoliation, but until we can have a thread without pages of insults there really is no point as this thread will probably closed like all the others.

It's a shame though because I do genuinely believe there are a lot of benefits to be had from this technique, and there will be some things that work better than others.

 

[chuck estevez]

Why won't you just answer the question, Why do you keep avoiding it? Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, ANYONE????????????????????

 

[the church man]

I keep asking a question that you people refuse to answer, Fuck off or answer the question.

You claim to know the answer to the question already. Please enlighten us.

Remember, we're promoting discussion on defoliating, not personally attacking each other...

And also, you and I discussed earlier that having differing opinions isn't what causes drama, but you creating conflict is what is dramatic. So stop being dramatic chuck, we're here to learn.

 

[chuck estevez]

You claim to know the answer to the question already. Please enlighten us.

Remember, we're promoting discussion on defoliating, not personally attacking each other...

And also, you and I discussed earlier that having differing opinions isn't what causes drama, but you creating conflict is what is dramatic. So stop being dramatic chuck, we're here to learn.

I want Neo to answer it as he is the one making the claims. I want him to put up or shut up.

 

[chuck estevez]

You claim to know the answer to the question already. Please enlighten us.

Remember, we're promoting discussion on defoliating, not personally attacking each other...

And also, you and I discussed earlier that having differing opinions isn't what causes drama, but you creating conflict is what is dramatic. So stop being dramatic chuck, we're here to learn.

I want Neo to answer it as he is the one making the claims. I want him to put up or shut up. Damn, i even pointed you towards the answer.

 

[the church man]

So, chuck. You initially believed that defoliating would hinder the plant right? That's why you didn't want newbs to try this method, very noble of you.

Then, when neo posts pics of a plants that were defoliated surpassing a plant which kept all of its leaves, then you change your position and ask why the plant isn't stunted and why is it so nice looking.

So really, we're all asking the same questions, right? Why the animosity?

 

[the church man]

I want Neo to answer it as he is the one making the claims. I want him to put up or shut up. Damn, i even pointed you towards the answer.

I was the one who claimed a shorter plant with closer nodes.

Also I reread the whole thread, I didn't see the answer you spoke of.

Maybe if you'd hold my hand through this? Thanks...

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[chuck estevez]

I was the one who claimed a shorter plant with closer nodes.

Also I reread the whole thread, I didn't see the answer you spoke of.

Maybe if you'd hold my hand through this? Thanks...

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post # 175, AND NEO has been making that claim for months. I really thought a forum was for exchanging ideas. Isn't asking questions and getting a answer, the exchange of ideas? Or is it, My way or no way? I don't get you 2,maybe that's why you get along so well, you both have the same intelligence level.

 

[neo12345]

Post #175

Thought I was missing something!

Would you consider that perhaps Red is stretching more than Blue due to being deprived of light due to the defoliation?

 

[chuck estevez]

Post #175

just as i thought, Nothing to say, he's busy trying to figure out how to answer to that. Good luck NEO.

 

[Growan]

Ooh! I'm #175!

Yeah, so that was my thought, I wondered if you thought it may be possible? I can't tell from the image how many nodes and spacing between, so I ask.
In a reduced light situation, say a plant not in direct light, they stretch to compensate. I wondered if you thought the Red was reacting to finding itself in such a state due to reduced surface area to photosynthesize with?

Real question, no piss taking.

 

[BenFranklin]

he is determined to make that leap

I feel worse for the squirrel, somehow...

 

[Growan]

take you the piss, sir?

 

[BenFranklin]

I personally am not savvy enough to do scrogg, i have my turn around time set up just right, just when i am running out, i got more on the way. I don't want to screw myself up.... I just got running again after moving and stuff...

sometimes i pluck leaves and shake my head.... Other times i don't and still shake m head...

i've been thinking that bonzai growers pick stuff off, to make miniatures.... If they leave stuff on, they end up with big giant trees.... And odd looking growth... From where they trimmed before.....

however, most bonzai growers use sunlight..... So.... Common sense would say to me that indoors you want to miniaturize your plant to a certain extent....

It is unrealistic to grow a plant 15 feet tall indoors, unless you have light to do this. Whats the best way to miniaturize your plant? In the marijuana world, we do this with light cycle... If you want your plant to be bathed in the absolute most efficient light you can provide, this would be done by growing short plants under hids. Maybe if we all didn't grow our plants so tall, we wouldn't have to trim so much?

Just some thoughts running through my head, nothing scientific... It'd hurt to much...

 

[joe macclennan]

neo, while the idea of defoliation may (and I'm being generous here) have some small amount of validity to it.

Anyone who isn't willing to read a little to gain a better understanding about WHY things happen or not isn't worth the time to respond to.

i'm really dissapointed that you would rather argue nonsensical points with chuck than enlighten yourself.

it took me the better part of a half hour just to find those articles I posted earlier.

typical riu knowitall. Too lazy to do any research for themself, just wants someone else to do it for them, and then when facts are presented by those with more ambition, he shoots them down out of ignorance...why? reread the part highlighted above.

 

[Growan]

I don't think scrog requires any particular savvy. Just some string. I like it. I liked it more during the vegging and training stage, something to do. Real hands on. If I hadn't had my fix of tinkering every day I may been tempted to do something crazy instead. Like pulling all the leaves off.

 

[Growan]

neo, while the idea of defoliation may (and I'm being generous here) have some small amount of validity to it.

Anyone who isn't willing to read a little to gain a better understanding about WHY things happen or not isn't worth the time to respond to.

i'm really dissapointed that you would rather argue nonsensical points with chuck than enlighten yourself.

it took me the better part of a half hour just to find those articles I posted earlier.

typical riu knowitall. Too lazy to do any research for themself, just wants someone else to do it for them, and then when facts are presented by those with more ambition, he shoots them down out of ignorance...why? reread the part highlighted above.

In fairness, he's doing a practical experiment, and by his own admission is more of a 'try it' than 'read about it' guy.

Won't reply to my question though. And I wasn't taking the piss either...

 

[BenFranklin]

Growan, my strain normally takes about 90 days, start to finish from seed, on a geustimation, how long wouldnit extend my entire grow in time frame...

 

[Growan]

Now your asking! This is my first indoor, let alone scrog! I had a few issues in the first week or so, so I vegged longer than maybe I should have... rather than go o/t, shall we decamp to The Scrog Club? I'll happily recount my adventures there.

 

[neo12345]

Yeah, so that was my thought, I wondered if you thought it may be possible? I can't tell from the image how many nodes and spacing between, so I ask.
In a reduced light situation, say a plant not in direct light, they stretch to compensate. I wondered if you thought the Red was reacting to finding itself in such a state due to reduced surface area to photosynthesize with?

Good question and it's a shame it will be lost in this thread forever, after the thread is closed.

Like I said I'm no expert but I would hazard a guess at that not being correct, the reason I say that is because if you defoliate too soon after flipping to 12/12 you will stop the stretch. So if the plant was stretching to get more light then I would have thought it would have been the other way round, and the plant would stretch even more.

I can't be 100% sure on that as I said I'm not a botanist, so it's just a best guess.

I would post more pictures and experiences in a thread that isn't doomed for closure, and one that was run in a constructive way but until then I don't feel inclined to post much more information.