MMPR Grow op: Small Scale
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woodsmaneh!
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the current listed companies have a total combined production capacity of 93,000,000 grams a year, the average script is 3 grams a day = 1,000 grams a year per patent = 93,000 new patents this year = 1/4 total projected market growth over ten years = CAN YOU SAY OVERSUPPLY! market consolidation is inevitable. The MMAR has nothing to do with the LP's, people who grow at home do so because they can't afford $2.50 a gram let along $6.00 a gram meds so they are not even customers. Don't fool yourself the play here is not Medical Cannabis it's recreational weed, that's the big picture. We have a chance of a new government in Canada in 16 months if that happens weed will be everywhere and no medical access required so the medical issues goes away. If the current government hangs on they will be forced to change their ways by world events and the countries of North America. This will happen in 5 years. Legislation is the true prize.
WHATFG
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The medical issue does not go away with decriminalization/legalization. There are still those who can't grow for themselves and don't have anyone to grow for them....who's paying for their meds? For my own personal situation, I have no idea what wcb will do if this becomes legal. I still have to buy all kinds of shit to grow, but access is no longer an issue. It would be nice to see it covered by ins. cos. so everybody who needs it can get it.
GroErr
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We can only hope that they continue trying to build (aka fucking up) this ridiculous, politically corrupt, MMPR "system", and drag out the process until the next election. Then there's a least a chance to get the subject on the political agenda for the election, and at minimum drive some changes into a workable solution that takes the needs of patients into account FIRST. I'd like to think that there would be a chance at some politician stepping up and having the balls to push for decriminalization or legalization, but I won't hold my breath on that angle. As it stands, there is nothing in it for patients in this "system", it's all geared towards a few, connected or greedy investors trying to cash in on patients, nothing else. I, nor anyone in my circle of friends will support anything related to this MPPR program, everyone should do the same if there's any way around it to get their meds. That will drive some change and maybe find/develop a workable solution. Money talks when dealing with government/investors, everything else is just noise to them. If they see there's no money in it, it will go away or change.
woodsmaneh!
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MMPR is all about making money no one disputes that. Medical Cannabis is just a convenient stepping stone to recreational use. It's that simple. Medical is a red herring it's all about what's coming down the road. It's interesting as I have clients on both ends of the spectrum and they all have their merits. Funny how the real good people get hated on by everyone here and all they want to do is grow and sell cheep meds. When the Liberals get in if they do, it will still take them a long time to make this happen so no quick fix down the road.
I think everyone here agrees people should have the right to grow. Those that can't well sorry that's to bad but there are lots of people who need meds they can't afford or grow, that's just the way it, so hating LP's for that is like saying spoons are responsible for all the overweight people out there.
I advise everyone to look out into the future and you will see none of this will matter in 5 years, what you see here will be very different than what you will see in 5 years.
It's summer time go plant some seeds and enjoy.
They all will get there at some point, it's a good thing the Big guys don't have it thought out yet, or all the LP's will be up shit creek without a paddle, running their own contest giving away meds.
Lets see what happens when the senior guys at Tweed have the right to sell their shares in another few weeks, that should be interesting, a whole shit load of shares burning a hole in your pocket. Should I sell or should I hold will be the question and we get to see the results. Anyway if things are not going well at Tweed when next quarter earnings are announced I think investors will have something to say, and I don't think they will go for "as in all new industry there is a learning curve, bla, bla, bla. People vote with their money and we will see how they vote in another 2 months.
I think everyone here agrees people should have the right to grow. Those that can't well sorry that's to bad but there are lots of people who need meds they can't afford or grow, that's just the way it, so hating LP's for that is like saying spoons are responsible for all the overweight people out there.
I advise everyone to look out into the future and you will see none of this will matter in 5 years, what you see here will be very different than what you will see in 5 years.
It's summer time go plant some seeds and enjoy.
They all will get there at some point, it's a good thing the Big guys don't have it thought out yet, or all the LP's will be up shit creek without a paddle, running their own contest giving away meds.
Lets see what happens when the senior guys at Tweed have the right to sell their shares in another few weeks, that should be interesting, a whole shit load of shares burning a hole in your pocket. Should I sell or should I hold will be the question and we get to see the results. Anyway if things are not going well at Tweed when next quarter earnings are announced I think investors will have something to say, and I don't think they will go for "as in all new industry there is a learning curve, bla, bla, bla. People vote with their money and we will see how they vote in another 2 months.
leaffan
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"They all will get there at some point,"
I think a rookie grower gets better over time. Nowhere to go than up. Learn from mistakes, tweak things etc...Eventually moving into the next category.
I think a very good experienced grower gets the best from the first run. Everything after that first clean run starts having little issues arise. Difficult to repeat that very first run when everything was new, and well....sterile. The runs are consistent, but never quite matching the first.
I think a master grower is able to hit that high bar and stay at that level regardless of the challenges they encounter.
So what categories do the current LPs fall into?...There's a few probably in the first grouping, most in the middle, and perhaps one or two at the top.
I think that after patient acquisition , crop failure ( due to testing regulations ) will be the biggest challenge that LPs face. I see lots of quality issues in the future. The first run is the easiest.
I think a rookie grower gets better over time. Nowhere to go than up. Learn from mistakes, tweak things etc...Eventually moving into the next category.
I think a very good experienced grower gets the best from the first run. Everything after that first clean run starts having little issues arise. Difficult to repeat that very first run when everything was new, and well....sterile. The runs are consistent, but never quite matching the first.
I think a master grower is able to hit that high bar and stay at that level regardless of the challenges they encounter.
So what categories do the current LPs fall into?...There's a few probably in the first grouping, most in the middle, and perhaps one or two at the top.
I think that after patient acquisition , crop failure ( due to testing regulations ) will be the biggest challenge that LPs face. I see lots of quality issues in the future. The first run is the easiest.
Devil Lettuce
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I will actually disagree with this point. I have found that the best results are obtained after the 3rd run, as in my experience that is how long it takes to fully dial in a particular strain to maximize its full genetic potential. I see your point about starting fresh in a fully new and sterile environment, but with appropriate site engineering and sanitation procedures between flower cycles, a grower should be able to achieve the same starting point and conditions for each crop in a properly run/designed facility.
Any grower (regardless of skill level) should be able to take something that they learned on their last run and use that information to further hone their technique to maintain or improve quality moving forward. I'm a believer that the learning never stops, no matter how much of a "master" grower you are.
leaffan
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You could be right...Those were my observations from the London area, from feedback at the hydro store.
One thing I do see is the incessant need of some experienced growers to experiment with trying to optimize things and change methods....striving for more, for better...and very often the results set them back. It really is a balancing act.
One thing I do see is the incessant need of some experienced growers to experiment with trying to optimize things and change methods....striving for more, for better...and very often the results set them back. It really is a balancing act.
Devil Lettuce
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It is indeed, and it's achieved by not trying to tweak everything at once and by setting up controlled side-by-side experiments to definitively determine what works best for each strain/room/situation. That's why I feel it takes 3-4 grows with a new room or strain to fully maximize its potential.
I also think we might see the newest rues come into play very soon, that is all cbd only strains, no tch strains or very low counts, this will show patients lp is for them and not the streets or rec users. then if libs get in and all this changes, itll be thc for rec users and ya if patients cant grow there own, they will have to go threw a lp. I hope hippy can grow.....
