Crisis in the Ukraine

[ChesusRice]

And NATO's enlargment who wants to install more bases at the doorstep of Russia has nothing to do with that, right? Neither EU's expansion. Just like the so called Orange Revolution ten years ago had absolutely no ties and nothing to do with US interests right?
Sure.

BTW Im not Russian, I live in Western Europe. But I know that place quite well. And as I said again, whats the difference between the thugocracy thats Russia and the democratic USA or UK? The alphabet used to sell the products in the shops, thats it.

Your head of state profits from the Thugocracy directly.
Putin is a criminal

 

[NoDrama]

All politicians are criminals in one way or another, Putin is just the wealthiest.

 

[vladimiroslav]

As all politicians are, why making a fuss about Putin and not the others? What about Bush, duh?

Look, there's no crisis in Ukraine. Ukraine doesnt even exist. Its a political and administrative decision made by the bolsheviks in 1922. Ukraine was Russia, always have been. If some Gallicians wants independance, they can take it, and keep Ukraine as a name. Crimea and the rest is Russian, end of discussion.

Maybe Russia should open military bases in Cuba and Venezuela to make you understand the situation.

 

[NoDrama]

Trying to get cheezy to understand is akin to trying to get a dog to do arithmetic.

 

[earnest_voice]

Trying to get cheezy to understand is akin to trying to get a dog to do arithmetic.

Hey now... i bet you could get a border collie or poodle to do arithmetic. Or sniff out penii on ladys...

 

[Red1966]

we bomb our own city on 9/11 and allow foreigners to rape us on fake wars and you worry about what Russia is doing on Russia's border? We have crisis actors pretending to commit mass murders to take our guns, to take our constitutional rights, we have police that make the Castapo look like girl scouts and your worried that we should enter into ANOTHER fake war? just go ba ba and lay down little sheeple.. you should not think until you Wake Up.

"we bomb our own city", "fake wars", "Castapo" (sic). "flying saucers", "space aliens", "reincarnation". Yeah, OK

 

[Red1966]

Ahh! A pic of Barry smoking. Nobody would believe me when I said he smoked.

 

[Red1966]

IMO....Ukraine rightfully belong's to russia....This is not some USSR Era country that was acquired as property during a treaty....Russian's faught fierce battle's during WW2 and thousand's of live's loss in major battles there for that land...Rightfully, IMO it belong's to them...Either way I don't believe my sleep schedule will be changed. Let, them have Sevastopol, I can assure you no other European's only Russian's and Nazi's have died there

So we own Japan, England, France, etc? Russia signed a piece treaty with Hitler allowing Hitler to take Ukraine. Now they have a "right" to the land?

 

[Red1966]

But war create's economy? I learned that in high school.....It's only after an undetermined amt of time that it become's an actual drag upon the economy.....It create's job's and a reason to use excess material's..Brings old offline factorie's back into use all the Blah Blah stuff...For awhile at least it's more of a jump start to thing's . ..As long as China has Russia's back Bankruptcy is a far off thought

I think China would only have Russia's back long enough to stick a knife in it.

 

[Red1966]

Finland will do it.

How many times has Russia attacked Finland and failed? Serious question.

 

[Red1966]

most of the job was done by Russians on the Eastern front.

Russia was an alley of Germany until Germany attacked her. Sorry, no credit.

 

[Red1966]

And NATO's enlargment who wants to install more bases at the doorstep of Russia has nothing to do with that, right? Neither EU's expansion. Just like the so called Orange Revolution ten years ago had absolutely no ties and nothing to do with US interests right?
Sure.

BTW Im not Russian, I live in Western Europe. But I know that place quite well. And as I said again, whats the difference between the thugocracy thats Russia and the democratic USA or UK? The alphabet used to sell the products in the shops, thats it.

We don't have presidents for life.

 

[ChesusRice]

As all politicians are, why making a fuss about Putin and not the others? What about Bush, duh?

Look, there's no crisis in Ukraine. Ukraine doesnt even exist. Its a political and administrative decision made by the bolsheviks in 1922. Ukraine was Russia, always have been. If some Gallicians wants independance, they can take it, and keep Ukraine as a name. Crimea and the rest is Russian, end of discussion.

Maybe Russia should open military bases in Cuba and Venezuela to make you understand the situation.

Does Putin have some businesses he wants to extort or take over in Cuba or Venezuela?

 

[WHODAT@THADOR]

So we own Japan, England, France, etc? Russia signed a piece treaty with Hitler allowing Hitler to take Ukraine. Now they have a "right" to the land?

Yes,(ukraine) then the nazi's turned on Russia, which could be argued as one of Hitler's follie's in the war and Russia had several very bloody battle's in Ukraine.....So, for that reason I do believe they have a right to that land....We got some island's(territories) out of japan.....England and France just needed the help and we got better relationship's from them

 

[ChesusRice]

And NATO's enlargment who wants to install more bases at the doorstep of Russia has nothing to do with that, right? Neither EU's expansion. Just like the so called Orange Revolution ten years ago had absolutely no ties and nothing to do with US interests right?
Sure.

BTW Im not Russian, I live in Western Europe. But I know that place quite well. And as I said again, whats the difference between the thugocracy thats Russia and the democratic USA or UK? The alphabet used to sell the products in the shops, thats it.

If you are trying for false equivalance you will never hit your target with those comparisons. If you are really that stupid not to see the difference then there is nothing I can say to convince you

 

[Red1966]

Yes,(ukraine) then the nazi's turned on Russia, which could be argued as one of Hitler's follie's in the war and Russia had several very bloody battle's in Ukraine.....So, for that reason I do believe they have a right to that land....We got some island's(territories) out of japan.....England and France just needed the help and we got better relationship's from them

I don't see how any of that confers any such "right". Russian belligerence and conquest of their neighbors is not excused by any such self-serving claim of a "right" to that which does not belong to them.

 

[WHODAT@THADOR]

I don't see how any of that confers any such "right". Russian belligerence and conquest of their neighbors is not excused by any such self-serving claim of a "right" to that which does not belong to them.

It may be self serving, but one can also argue the fair percent of ukrainian's loyaltie's lie to the kremlin verses Poroshenko.....Even a very large percent of the military (That had the option to go home or join Russia) during the Absorption of Sevastopol joined the russian army. The only thing I see here that's apparent was a Western/Eu piss poor attempt at pulling a Coup on Yanukovych. As a power play to break the hold Russia had as a natural allie.

 

[Jimdamick]

It may be self serving, but one can also argue the fair percent of ukrainian's loyaltie's lie to the kremlin verses Poroshenko.....Even a very large percent of the military (That had the option to go home or join Russia) during the Absorption of Sevastopol joined the russian army. The only thing I see here that's apparent was a Western/Eu piss poor attempt at pulling a Coup on Yanukovych. As a power play to break the hold Russia had as a natural allie.

An argument then can be made then that any country that has a sizable population that speaks another language, can form their own country, or join another That creates some big problems internationally, especially when that country is invaded by a neighbor. If the Ukraine loses that area of the country, it will have a crippling effect on their economy and by proxy, the EU. This is not going to be good for anyone, especially Russia. Time will tell if the economic sanctions have any effect on Russia, besides the closing of McDonalds. The Russians need that area to gain access to the Crimea by land, so they won't want to lose this "war". I say choke them, and make their ruble only good for wiping their arses with. A new age has emerged, meaning that with the global economy so dependent on cooperation, the new "nuclear option" is the starvation of one's economy. I think Russia has bitten off more than it can chew this time.

 

[WHODAT@THADOR]

An argument then can be made then that any country that has a sizable population that speaks another language, can form their own country, or join another That creates some big problems internationally, especially when that country is invaded by a neighbor. If the Ukraine loses that area of the country, it will have a crippling effect on their economy and by proxy, the EU. This is not going to be good for anyone, especially Russia. Time will tell if the economic sanctions have any effect on Russia, besides the closing of McDonalds. The Russians need that area to gain access to the Crimea by land, so they won't want to lose this "war". I say choke them, and make their ruble only good for wiping their arses with. A new age has emerged, meaning that with the global economy so dependent on cooperation, the new "nuclear option" is the starvation of one's economy. I think Russia has bitten off more than it can chew this time.

Right, But ask a Texan if he would rather be his own country or belong to the USA... If the US/EU Didn't help fund the Coup attempt and stoke the fire against Yanukovich Ukraine's Economy would be in a far better state, Much like Russia is now funding the separatist movement in Eastern Ukraine....At the end of the day I highly doubt Ukraine will ever see the Port at Sevastopol again...They are more likely to be extorted by Russia to use it....The problem with starving one economy is that it will take year's to replace the Export's you are starving out and probably hurting your own economy at the same time...Along, with the fact you need unanimous agreement amongst the nation's....Merkel talk's a lot of hype, but I'm yet to see a lot of follow through. If everybody is not on the same page all ya get is another Iran,Iraq,Cuba,North Korea situation right? All of these nation's have survived with what they have, with sanction's on them. Some better then other's. Other countries neutral to it will float there economies. What service's does Ukraine offer the EU that cannot be replaced?

 

[ChesusRice]

An argument then can be made then that any country that has a sizable population that speaks another language, can form their own country, or join another That creates some big problems internationally, especially when that country is invaded by a neighbor. If the Ukraine loses that area of the country, it will have a crippling effect on their economy and by proxy, the EU. This is not going to be good for anyone, especially Russia. Time will tell if the economic sanctions have any effect on Russia, besides the closing of McDonalds. The Russians need that area to gain access to the Crimea by land, so they won't want to lose this "war". I say choke them, and make their ruble only good for wiping their arses with. A new age has emerged, meaning that with the global economy so dependent on cooperation, the new "nuclear option" is the starvation of one's economy. I think Russia has bitten off more than it can chew this time.

Russia is going to try and strangle Europes gas supplies. They pulled the same shit with Ukraine a few years ago