Hot Diggity Sog
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That's pretty cool stuff there guys.
giving defoliation during flower a try
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DCobeen
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Uncle Ben
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Are you through?
Uncle Ben
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VSP, vertical shoot positioning, is a training method many of us vineyard managers use.
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Uncle Ben
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Greenhouse growing offers more challenges than out in the field regarding disease and insect pressures. My greenhouse has an 18' peak, 10' columns FWIW.
Uncle Ben
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Pisses ya off, doesn't it.
P. Berry
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OG Kush looking beautiful. Northern Lights commin' on ... finally. 
Let it rain, the girls are under cover.
I have decided not to pull any more leaves for now. Everything is dry and I went through every branch and they are all tied up so that they are not all mushed together . So, for now, the leaves stay. I will not be defoliating my precious flowering babies.
Let it rain, the girls are under cover.I have decided not to pull any more leaves for now. Everything is dry and I went through every branch and they are all tied up so that they are not all mushed together . So, for now, the leaves stay. I will not be defoliating my precious flowering babies.
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Hot Diggity Sog
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Looking wonderful
P. Berry
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Just noticed the big ol' gray hair in the pic. Damn sticky girls. Here is a pic of Critical, notLooking wonderful
quite so far along.
DCobeen
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That is amazing garden. If i had the area and privacy outdoors wow. Love it is it your garden?
P. Berry
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My garden, my passion, my world. When I am not tending my garden I am in my studio making art. It truly a good life.
It is a legal medical grow, I am so lucky to live out in the country, with good neighbors, and big dogs, oh and a full security system.
Ya wanna see my grapes, maybe I'll make some wine.
Uncle Ben
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We share the same world. Told my wife I'm gonna hate to give up this farm. I built it from nothing but a hay field to over 60 trees and a veggie garden around a custom built house with all the luxury features, vineyard, niche ag biz, etc. Posted some of my grape clusters a few pages back. What variety of grapes?
Cannabis looks great. This should go without saying but just in case - keep them green with ALL leaves intact until harvest for maximum production.
Uncle Ben
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There is never a time to defoliate a plant unless your psyche drives you to embrace cannabis forum paradigms, hype, and protocol. The only time to defoliate anything is when you have a dieing leaf and which could be subject to disease pressure. You don't really think I'm ignorant about botany and plant processes such that I'd defoliate my peach, apple, olive, pomegranate trees or tomato plants, grapes, etc., do you? I raise tropical fruits, plumerias...same goes for them.
I grow for MORE foliage, not less. duh.....
RIU (and most other cannabis forums) remind me of concrete - all mixed up and set in their ways.
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DCobeen
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I think we are all a little set in our way UB. I am still in the testing part and i know in a few years I will look back and say yep he was right. But I must play and learn by trying it. I also must have side by side comparisons. there are allot of bs on this site defoliating is one that can make a diff for some in bud size especially if they have weak lights. I know understand why the bonzi technique is used to keep them short so the whole plant can get the best light. I will have to start playing with that so i dont have to defoliate do too lack of light under the canopy.
Lady Berry nice grapes and happy to see you living the good life.
Lady Berry nice grapes and happy to see you living the good life.
Uncle Ben
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The lack of light under the canopy is #1, a fallacy which I explained a page or two back, 2. it's not this often parroted forum "lack of light" that causes your popcorn buds. We, the experienced who hold botanical principles more important than misguided forum paradigms have tried to explain quite often but most refuse to listen. Good luck with your self induced education. You'll learn one way or the other, and that's OK.
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DCobeen
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I am listening bro i do know you are a master grower. I will have to change my approach. but this run is already going in flower so down the road. yep i have to see it when i do it so it sinks in better. thank you UB for being straight up honest with me and putting up with me lack of experience.
Pepe le skunk
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The roots support the growth up top. The bigger the root system the greater the potential to benefit the growth of the plant. When you only have the end of the branches supporting growth (Because of the extreme pruning) supported by the extensive root system it is like an engine with a blower ready to tear down the stripe. All of the growth has direct support of the root system and the nutrients can only go to these tops. There are no sucker branches to suckle off the main direct flow of food, like a leach sucking off a tit. There is only so much for each branch. Do I need to describe the distance of these branches from the light source or can you figure that out on your own?
Think of it like VSP, vertical shoot positioning and pruning for growth and shaping for flowers that swell to massive size in the "Goldilocks" zone.
On second thought, stick to what your doing uncle ben. No need to debate a master-debator.
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CaretakerDad
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The roots support the growth up top. The bigger the root system the greater the potential to benefit the growth of the plant. When you only have the end of the branches supporting growth (Because of the extreme pruning) supported by the extensive root system it is like an engine with a blower ready to tear down the stripe. All of the growth has direct support of the root system and the nutrients can only go to these tops. There are no sucker branches to suckle off the main direct flow of food, like a leach sucking off a tit. There is only so much for each branch. Do I need to describe the distance of these branches from the light source or can you figure that out on your own?
Think of it like VSP, vertical shoot positioning and pruning for growth and shaping for flowers that swell to massive size in the "Goldilocks" zone.
On second thought, stick to what your doing uncle ben. No need to debate a master-debator.
Any idea how that extensive root system got there? It wouldn't have been those pesky leaves you are so fond of tearing off would it? Please google "transpiration" and then explain to me how these nutrients get anywhere when you have removed the very part of the plant that "sucks" the nutrients up the "straw". It may also be helpful to google xylem and phloem so that you may have a rudimentary understanding of basic plant biology and physiology.
On second thought I will do the work for you, here is the result of googling "translocation in plants" it explains the value and purpose of the leaf in the overall functioning of a plant.
Translocation
Photo by: Anette Linnea Rasmus
Translocation is the movement of materials from leaves to other tissues throughout the plant. Plants produce carbohydrates (sugars) in their leaves by photosynthesis, but nonphotosynthetic parts of the plant also require carbohydrates and other organic and nonorganic materials. For this reason, nutrients are translocated from sources (regions of excess carbohydrates, primarily mature leaves) to sinks (regions where the carbohydrate is needed). Some important sinks are roots, flowers, fruits, stems, and developing leaves. Leaves are particularly interesting in this regard because they are sinks when they are young and become sources later, when they are about half grown.
Phloem Structure and Function
The tissue in which nutrients move is the phloem . The phloem is arranged in long, continuous strands called vascular bundles that extend through the roots and stem and reach into the leaves as veins. Vascular bundles also contain the xylem , the tissue that carries water and dissolved minerals from the roots to the shoots. When plants increase in diameter (secondary growth) they do so by divisions of a layer of cells just under the bark; this cell layer makes new xylem to the inside (forming the wood of the tree trunk) and a thin, continuous cylinder of new phloem to the outside.
The contents of the phloem can be analyzed by cutting off the stylets (mouth parts) of phloem-feeding insects such as aphids and collecting the drops of sap that exude. Phloem sap is composed largely of sugar dissolved in water. All plants translocate sucrose (table sugar) and some also transport other sugars such as stachyose, or sugar alcohols such as sorbitol. Many other organic compounds are found, including amino acids , proteins , and hormones . Glucose , the sugar found in the circulatory system of animals, is not translocated.
In order to accommodate the flow of sap, the internal structure of the conducting cells of the phloem, the sieve elements, is drastically altered. As the sieve elements mature, they lose many of the organelles commonly found in living cells and they modify others. The nucleus disappears, as do the vacuoles, microfilaments, microtubules, ribosomes , and Golgi bodies. Therefore, the inside (lumen) of the cell is left essentially open. The sieve elements are greatly elongated in the direction of transport and are connected to one another to form long sieve tubes. Large pores perforate the end walls of the sieve elements to facilitate flow through the tube. The connecting walls thus look like a sieve, giving the cell type its name.
Some sieve elements can live for a long time, as many as one hundred years in palm trees, even though they have no nucleus or any of the machinery needed for protein synthesis. Cells closely associated with them, called companion cells, apparently keep them alive. The association of sieve elements and companion cells is one of the most intimate and complex in nature, and one of the least understood. It now appears that both small and large molecules can move from companion cells to sieve elements through the plasmodesmata that connect them. Plasmodesmata are minute pores that traverse the common walls between plant cells. They have an intricate internal structure. Interest in plasmodesmata is high because viruses move through them to cause infections. If a virus enters the phloem this way it will travel with the sap, spread widely around the plant, and infect sink organs. Since viruses are much larger than plasmodesmata, they must be disassembled in one cell and reassembled when they get to their destination.
Sugars synthesized in the chloroplasts are actively pumped into the sieve tubes. Water follows by osmosis, creating high pressure. Sugar is then removed by active transport, and water again by osmosis, lowering the pressure in the sieve tube.
The Pressure-Flow Mechanism
The rate of translocation in angiosperms (flowering plants) is approximately 1 meter per hour. In conifers it is generally much slower, but even so this is far too fast to be accounted for by diffusion. Instead, the sap flows, like a river of dilute syrup water. What is the force that drives the flow of material in the phloem? It is pressure, generated in the sieve elements and companion cells in source tissues. In leaves, sugar is synthesized in mesophyll cells (the middle layer of the leaf), and is then actively pumped into the phloem, using metabolic energy. By using energy, the sugar is not only transferred to the phloem but is also concentrated. When a solute such as sugar is concentrated inside cells, water enters the cells by osmosis . Since the plant cells have a rigid cell wall, this influx of water creates a great deal of internal pressure, over ten times the pressure in an automobile tire. The pressure causes sap to move out through the pores of the sieve element, down the tube.
At the other end of the transport stream, in the sinks, sugar is constantly leaving the phloem and being used by surrounding cells. Some is consumed as an energy source, some is stored as sugar or starch, and some is used to make new cells if the sink tissue is growing. Since sugar leaves the phloem in the sink, water exits too (again by osmosis) and the pressure goes down. Therefore, there is a difference in pressure between source and sink phloem. This causes the solution to flow, just as water flows along a pressure gradient in a garden hose. This process is known as the pressure-flow mechanism.
Sugar Loading and Unloading
How is sugar actively pumped (loaded) into the phloem? There are two known mechanisms, operating in different species. In one, sucrose enters the cell walls near the phloem in the smallest (minor) veins of the leaf. It then enters the phloem by attaching to sucrose transporter proteins embedded in the plasma membranes of the sieve elements and companions cells. In the second mechanism, sucrose enters the companion cells of the minor vein through small plasmodesmata, and is converted to larger sugars, raffinose, and stachyose. These larger sugars are unable to diffuse back through these plasmodesmata due to their size. Therefore they are trapped in the phloem of the leaf and build up to high concentration. They enter the sieve elements through larger plasmodesmata and are carried away toward the sinks.
When sugars and other nutrients arrive in sink tissues they unload from the phloem and enter surrounding cells, either through plasmodesmata or by crossing from one cell to another across the cell walls. The size and metabolic activity of the different sinks determines the amount of material that is delivered to them. Thus, the use of sugar in the sinks determines how much sugar flows to them.
Read more: http://www.biologyreference.com/Ta-Va/Translocation.html#ixzz3EtnGeDHH