lmao now that is a fat ass stem bro. I am just tired of fighting about what is right with defoliating. I first have to get a plant to finish all green. now i have had 2 finish green but that was AIS/hydro soil. In reg growing i am having the lower leaves die so for me right now i dont have to defoliate since they are doing it all by them selves.I GIVE UP!!!!!!!! I am no longer a "defolihater". I am setting aside years of growing experience and chucking all of that expensive "book learnin'" and have seen the light. WTF was I thinking????? As you can see I have defoliated and trimmed the root ball ( I read that in another thread). My understanding....er......feeling (sorry it will take some adjustment) is that I could get 2 - 7 times the original yield.
2 questions: Have I exposed the bud sites sufficiently? And does anybody have the number of a good AN or other nutrient line salesman?
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How many lower leaves are you losing by harvest? If alot, you probably don't have your nutrition down pat. Are you hitting exclusively with bloom foods, because, "everyone is doing it."lm
lmao now that is a fat ass stem bro. I am just tired of fighting about what is right with defoliating. I first have to get a plant to finish all green. now i have had 2 finish green but that was AIS/hydro soil. In reg growing i am having the lower leaves die so for me right now i dont have to defoliate since they are doing it all by them selves.
Just went back and caught this....interesting stuff but it's hard for me to wrap my head around this. One has to observe it first hand and discuss with a tech to understand the "method of their madness". These guys are not dummies, they apply science to the nth degree because they have to....it's all about profit, time management, energy costs, labor cost, etc.Another likely reason is the same as the claim they make about their fixtures being small, it prevents blocking day light. It would make no sense to make them small and then lower them as that balances out the advantage. Nearly half the year the majority of light comes from the bulbs (in that specific test anyway) but obviously they prefer to use as much of the daylight as possible when it's there.
Anyway, I do know this:
*drum roll*
In that same test (in which everything is measure precisely and not by stoners), they actually do measure (I guess for giggles) the difference of the light intensity over distance, between the crop and the bulb that is. It's in the light spread section, which is what it's all about, the spread.
At 1.2meter (4 feet) from the bulb, 172 umol, and nearly 2 feet lower at 1.7m, 170 umol.
Just one test, the difference over 3 more show to be a loss of roughly 1 umol per feet.
And as a bonus, the bulbs where specified as 162 umol, i.e. 1.2 meter up...
src: http://edepot.wur.nl/20530 (it's in dutch, table on page 15, section 3.1)
Liar lol, youll never stop. the trick is to do what works for you as a grower. Do your own tests on different plants and see how they react to how you manipulate them. Top some, but not others, sog some, outdoor some, undercut some, pound some with N, and if your set up works with defoliating...then letter fly.Note to self - "stop responding to the never ending newbie misguided defoliation threads and those who think they understand plant processes but don't."
Then dont give advice to growers that are doing it. Scrogs awesome. Its too bad you dont know anything about it. You might learn something about marijuana if you tried itHow many lower leaves are you losing by harvest? If alot, you probably don't have your nutrition down pat. Are you hitting exclusively with bloom foods, because, "everyone is doing it."
If you understood botany, the issue of defoliating would be moot. It's not like listening to us seasoned growers, it's not doing it in the first place because you understand what makes a plant tick. Kinda like my negative position on SCROG when someone asks "well, have you ever tried it?" No, I'm a simple man and will not be a slave to my plants.
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On the big ass plants not to bad ( they have allot left) but the smaller ones i dont have many left. I do feed FP plus bloom nutes in rotation. This is all from that MicroKote. It frucked my moms up bro. I am not worried as they only have 1 month left max. I will update pics on my round2 thread. I will never use MK again. It has damaged this strain and when i run it again I will start fresh seeds.How many lower leaves are you losing by harvest? If alot, you probably don't have your nutrition down pat. Are you hitting exclusively with bloom foods, because, "everyone is doing it."
If you understood botany, the issue of defoliating would be moot. It's not like listening to us seasoned growers, it's not doing it in the first place because you understand what makes a plant tick. Kinda like my negative position on SCROG when someone asks "well, have you ever tried it?" No, I'm a simple man and will not be a slave to my plants.
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What I do know is it's a noob thing. Got nothing to learn here but how to be another forum fool working his ass off for nothing.Then dont give advice to growers that are doing it. Scrogs awesome. Its too bad you dont know anything about it. You might learn something about marijuana if you tried it
Ben if you dont want to defend yourself and butt heads then dont tell growers to not do what they need to for better product. Not everyone on this site lives on the californian coast with 1000 acres of tucked away real estate and green houses as far as the eye can see. Some of them have one closet....less than six feet of space between the floor and bulb, one seed, and one light and are trying to make that plant be all it can be.What I do know is it's a noob thing. Got nothing to learn here but how to be another forum fool working his ass off for nothing.
And don't preach to me, son.
Doing "less with less" an interesting concept. Moving out of your Moms house would be a great start to a decent grow for you and the wee fucker.Ben if you dont want to defend yourself and butt heads then dont tell growers to not do what they need to for better product. Not everyone on this site lives on the californian coast with 1000 acres of tucked away real estate and green houses as far as the eye can see. Some of them have one closet....less than six feet of space between the floor and bulb, one seed, and one light and are trying to make that plant be all it can be.
Sounds like a job for scrog or lst to me. Oooor would you rather they use uncle bens topping technique and flower at 12 inches cause their running sour D or Malawi and itll head butt the light if you dont train and screen it. I helped a wee fucker one time grow in a cab half the size of your fridge and he rocked that shit like Cleveland crack.
If he didnt do "crazy" things with his grow like lst and screen hed have had two plants....run 12/12 from seed. And a couple measly grams to smoke, instead he filled that box and now he has decent grows that produce. Hed tell you what were all telling you, theres a time and a place for it Ben, and you can take your theory and plant it but whats funny is that you would, hed say pound sand old man, and youd tell him that he like everyone else, is stupid for even considering it. *face palm**double face palm*
Who defines a "better product" ? Most folks are sucker bets and will do what the other blind folk tell them to do. As an example, I played historian a few minutes ago at the Riddle site and posted the C99 story for the benefit of those who never heard it, plus I gifted one excellent grower a C99 backcross I did and original Bros. Grimm In/Out Mix. Cannabis Cup judges bought off, fraud in cannabis products, rip off med stores.... I've seen and heard it all.Ben if you dont want to defend yourself and butt heads then dont tell growers to not do what they need to for better product.
Let me illustrate my point:Just went back and caught this....interesting stuff but it's hard for me to wrap my head around this.
I'd be happy to see if I can find something about the type of glazing they use, I'll try to find some reliable info later today. Keeping the greenhouses warm is a major energy cost, I suspect that plays a large role in the type of glazing used as well.I too am a greenhouse grower raising tropicals just those folks. I'd love to know what kind of glazing, covering they put on those houses. The contents of my greenhouse now is avocado, citrus, pitaya (dragon fruit), mango, maters, herbs and some perennials. It will cost me money but I'm about to change out the north roof to a much more transparent covering.
My crosses are based on Cannalope haze, which according to DNA genetics is O haze x mexican sativa, but according to others is also a C99 cross. I don't know, frankly, I don't care a whole lot either. When you're not using landraces, you're likely using something that is based on the same old IBLs anyway (NL#5, O Haze, Skunk #1, etc).SLY's Take:
here is my take on the Cindy story. i DO NOT believe this is a JH hybrid. i don't think it has any JH in it at all, and i've worked with this plant longer and more intensly than anyone other than soul. yes, soul got it out of a 2 gram bag of JH he bought but i don't believe there was JH in that package regardless of what was on the label. i think the coffeeshop, like many other dealers around. put whatever name on the packages the public wants to hear.
A document (from again the same university) about the ambition to create climate neutral greenhouses in 2020 mentions the use of diffuse glass (better spread) and double glazing (assuming for the same reason I got them in my home, keep the cold out and the warmth in).I'd love to know what kind of glazing, covering they put on those houses.
It won't be until next spring, but I will pay a visit to a tomato greenhouse specifically and see if I can get some more info.Yeah, I figured the lighting might be like that but you really have to pay them a visit to get the whole picture.
Ha, that makes it an even better avatar. Positronics... a name I'm guessing most kids nowadays haven't even heard of. They had the first growshop, they were the ones that show how HPS could be used to grow. I have a nearly 30 year old grow guide from them, one of the 5000, borrow from the library as a kid and forgot to return.My avatar is supposedly a Positronics JH when Wernard was doing his thing.
I like how the people interested in defoliation and experimenting have long bounced from this thread.