Best 'stand alone' bloom boosters

The nutrient ratio on the bottle means nothing every company bases have npk.. They are all similar it's everything you give your plants that make them flourish and promote high wielding thc and terpene content including yield mass and size.. 3 part gh doesn't stand a chance in any side by side grow I don't care what you're doing.. It needs other supplements and additives to become beneficial the bases are just that they are bases..
 

Sativied

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Why would a sudden blast of PK cause that? I don't think it does, plants take what they need and leave the rest behind- why would they all of a sudden benefit from massive amounts of PK when they are almost completely finished, or in my case have had almost only PK from week 4 onwards?
Because as I mentioned in the H&G thread recently, the trick of selling a PK booster is to tell users to use it around the time plants enter that swelling up phase regardless so they perceive control. That's what cannabis nutrient manufacturers sell, the false perception of control, and you're totally falling for it.

And no I don't believe your theory on PGRs being in all boosters, seems like something you tell yourself to continue using them, being afraid you will have less bud, while clearly you actually already know better. You're almost there. Have the contents analyzed, should be cheaper than wasting money on PK boosters.



PK13/14 (and similar) is a scam. It adds nothing that isn't in your base nutes already, it only fucks up the ratio. There's is no point in a cannabis' plant cycle where it needs that much P and K, or more than you could provide with base nutes.

Only a "bought" hydro store employee and those brainwashed by those think Canna is the best. Reminds me of the other guy that works at a hydro store, mick or something, he wanted to pretend AN must sell better quality of the same salts... I can walk into a dutch growshop and get nearly the same recommendations PK_Boosted is "advertising". They all have contracts with nutrient manufacturers, they all get a bonus for converting growers to competitors. PK_Boosted being a classic example, throwing around brand names as if they mean something, while they just pay the highest incentives (stuff like for every 10 customers you sell the entire line too you get 1% additional discount, hence profit).

They are no longer able to be intellectually honest as they have been given an incentive for their deception. Money. Hydro store owners and nutrient manufacturers do not want to help growers grow the best quality and quantity, they want your money. And since plants, including cannabis, only needs basic elements (which is what defines a plant and their role on the planet...) they NEED to scam you. Else you'd be just buying the cheapest quality (clean) base nutes, or like churchhaze mix those yourself. Aquarium hobbyists have no problem mixing their own nutrients, because they aren't clouded by the idea of getting more "drugs".

Canna started the veg+bloom bottle (vega and flores) which made them quite popular amongst cannabis growers. It's when cannabis nutrient manufacturers and others figured out "Hey, those mj growers get high on their own supply and are suckers for anything that supposedly gives them more bud..." AN took that to a whole 'nother level (for example using tissue culture research that doesn't apply...)

@PK_Boosted: most of the people who replied to you here can actually agree with you on something: there is a lot of nonsense in forums. Much of that is coming indirectly from scammers like you. We love to debunk it, and with no financial gain, just to help prevent others from taking over bad advice like yours.

from advanced is awesome product as well as super thrive and thrive alive foliar spray
Superthrive is a scam... you're the one that's stuck in the last century, "The Myth of Vitamin Stimulants" has been debunked by scientists as well as hobbyists.

They are all similar it's everything you give your plants that make them flourish and promote high wielding thc and terpene content including yield mass and size.. 3 part gh doesn't stand a chance in any side by side grow I don't care what you're doing.. It needs other supplements and additives to become beneficial the bases are just that they are bases..
Lies to make people like you and your masters money. All a plant needs to thrive are elements pointed out to you in this thread. The 3 part gh offers contains everything a plant needs to create compact, frosty, large buds. Actually, as Lucas and the many growers using his socalled 'formula' show over and over, you only need 2 of the 3 parts, even less money for you...

"Can I use additives with Lucas Formula?
You may. It is recommended that you do not introduce additives until your setup is dialed in. After you've ironed out any deficiencies and fully understand how your plant and strain likes to be fed, feel free to begin using additives (such as Floralicious) - not that the additives will help. For increased quality and yield, focus on good genetics, and ample light and temperature control, rather than trying to compensate for those with additives."


Cup judges not being bought off? Bullshit. There is a huge motive for a seedbank who's only in it for the money to have a cup winner. The kids buy into that crap as if there is ANY technical specification for the product. Ever see Peter Jenning's Pot of Gold years ago? Guy and his wife in the pot cafe was a friend of mine. Knew the Dutch cannabis biz very well. He told me the date and time where Arjan of Greenhouse Seeds bought off judges regarding one or more of his entries.
The only thing I like the cups for is that breeders do tend to submit their best stuff and they do tend to use their best growers to produce them. But "winning" a cup means little to nothing. Anyone at the HTCC in Amsterdam for example can buy a judge pass, which is basically the 5 day ticket instead of 1 day. It's a little over $300. You don't even really have to buy "off" judges, you can simply buy judge positions for your buddies.
 
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Haha.. I'm a scammer who owns a shop gives great advice and only carries premium grade nutrients and have helped countless hobbyists get to levels they would only read about.. I know what I am doing and what pk booster are used for and they are not snake oil... I give u same cuts same strains I'm running right now use whatever u think works ill use canna and I will not only produce way better quality flowers but also crush your yields guaranteed with all my snake oil products like canna which are highly regarded as one of if not the best nutrient line up in the industry which many companies imitate but cannot duplicate.. Same goes for advanced they are awesome products that imply and utilize bloom boosters such as big bud and pk boosters such as overdrive that are proven to work in conjunction with their snake oil b-52 vitamin excellerwnt and there bullshit bud factor x... You don't know what you're i guarantee it.. U prolly still trying o pull half a gram a watt lol
 
Super thrive is a scam? Hahaha okay buddy... So you are trying to tell me that when you use super thrive during transplanting it doesn't help reduce stress and facilitate vitamins and micro nutrients that are beneficial to your plants..


The problem with people like you is that you take everything literally...

You believe that since something says bloom enhancer or pk booster that you add those supplements to your grows and you grow will double its yield and you're gonna get 3 lbs of a 1000w light... It don't work like that like I stated those enhancers usually will help you get slight increases roughly 10% similar to running vo2 properly ... If you use the products correctly it will increase your yields from those who don't run them it's that simple..

So you're telling me all u give ur plants is the 3 part agH with no additives and u get a gram per watt or roughly 1.5 lbs on a 600w and 2 lbs on a 1000w? You're full of crap.. There's not way

While on other hand if you run advanced or canna full lineup you will get those results it's that simple depending on your variety and strain is capable of yielding numbers of that nature some plants just can't I don't care what you use.. Primarily cuts of the new Girl Scouts and og strains you can't get those numbers no matter what you give it... You need to know what you're running and what they require..

I think your full of fluff and like to believe non sense over tried and true facts
 

TheChemist77

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All nutrient companies will give you results provided you give them the proper atmosphere and growing parameters but I find the more money I pay for nutrients the bigger yields and higher quality my product finishes at hands down..mi ran the gh 3 part bubble like most people began with over 10 years ago I've tried all kinds of nutrient lines from botanicare to humboldt to H&G to canna and advanced .. Canna IMO is the best hands down followed by advanced H&G and botanicare which is also great for growing organics but yields are diminished .. When I grow it's for yield and quality with cheap nutrients like Dina grow GH 3 part buzz and techna flora you don't get the high tnc resinous high yields you get running products like advanced or canna which are 5-10x the price hands down price matters they charge fora reason because they r the best and they know it and they command top dollar that's why everyone who knows what they are doing runs those 3 nutrients primarily
i run dwc with maxi gro n bloom w/ maxi bloom and for the last 2 weeks ad koolbloom powder it increases yields, denser buds and finishes plants 2-3 days earlier,,how do i know?? ive done comparisons that prove it works, and i have also proved that koolbloom liquid is a waste of money..so some bloom enhancers do work
 
I had a customer recently whose been running cutting edge nutrient line up on a haze strain and a widow x big bud.. He ran them for 3 runs pulling roughly only a pound per 1000w.. I finally convinced him to simply add bud-XL from H&G and the top booster and shooter in his 6/7 week and the next run he pulled over 1.5 per light on his 2 run..meh was never able to produce those numbers with just cutting edge alone..mand his quality and flower size increased dramatically..that's just one small example I have plenty of people who can verify adding bloom and pk enhancers work idk what you think they make me for there's a reason and they work
 
Exactly.. There's another example of someone using bloom and peak enhancers that testify they make a difference,bro I'm sorry but u don't know wtf you're talking about they make bloom and boosters for a reason because science and cannabis cultivation has increased dramatically in the states over the past decade and we have learned what makes plants tick and produce large denser and higher quality flowers with such products I have mentioned throughout this thread and others it's that simple.. You probably also a conspiracy theorist as well if you think all these products waste money on snake oil... If they didn't work no one would buy them
 

Sativied

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U prolly still trying o pull half a gram a watt lol
Your wishful thinking assumptions about the yields I pull just show you don't care about the truth, you rather make shit up. Just as assuming you're the only person in the world who compared different nutrients with and without additives. As pointed out before, you will actually fit quite well in these forums.


Super thrive is a scam? Hahaha okay buddy... So you are trying to tell me that when you use super thrive during transplanting it doesn't help reduce stress and facilitate vitamins and micro nutrients that are beneficial to your plants..
Exactly!

The Bottom Line:
• Vitamin B-1, aka thiamine, does not reduce transplant shock or stimulate new root growth on plants outside the laboratory
http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda chalker-scott/horticultural myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf

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A good example [of a gardening myth] is vitamin B1 (thiamine), often sold to "prevent transplant shock" and "stimulate new root growth" when planting trees, shrubs, roses and other plants. A study in the 1930's provided the basis for such claims. Pea roots cut off from the plant were placed in a culture medium in the laboratory.

The researchers knew that thiamine was normally found in roots, so they put thiamine in the culture medium and found that root growth did occur. Vitamin B1 is manufactured in plant leaves and sent to the roots, but if roots are cut off and placed in a petri plate, vitamin B1 stimulates growth of the roots when it saturates the culture medium.

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http://www.colostate.edu/Dept/CoopExt/4DMG/Garden/beware.htm

Again, it has been debunked by both scientists and hobbyists, over and over, in large side by sides as well. It's a scam you choose to believe and parrot.

So you're telling me all u give ur plants is the 3 part agH with no additives and u get a gram per watt....
You may think those numbers are high, they are not that special at all. As a matter of fact, not using the scam products you are trying to sell combined with good genetics and a decent environment will lead to that. You get it despite using snake oils, I get it with just base nutes. The only difference is that I don't waste money on bottles and labels and ingredients a plant does not take up but create...

I think your full of fluff and like to believe non sense over tried and true facts
Oh you will definitely fit in here. It takes a special kind of ignorance to project your own flaws on someone online... Grab a mirror, look into it, and behold the the store owner that is "full of fluff and likes to believe non sense over tried and true facts".

You don't know what you're i guarantee it..
Spoking like a crappy-car salesman. So is that where the car analogy came from...
 
So you are gonna tell me experts like Ed rosenthal and Erik from advanced nutrients and kyle kushman just a few of the pioneers in marijuana cultivation who are critically acclaimed for advances in marijuana cultivation are lying when they tell you to run pk and bloom boosters during flowering.. They must be lying when they tell you that using teas and beneficial microbes in your soil don't help relieve stress and deter pests and diseases as well then right? You have a lot of learning to do brother don't believe stuff you read online because a couple people said they didn't work.. Do it for yourself I'm telling you with over 12 years of growing experience that they are well worth the money why would I be lying I don't own the nutrient companies I could care less if they didn't work I'd tell you hey don't buy me and I own a store so why do I give a shit.. I simply want people to have good results so they can continue to grow and produce high quality products and then say hey go to his place he will point you in right direction and really help you get things going.. Guaranteed!
 
Bs you ain't pulling 2 lbs a light running GH 3 part it ain't happening bro I don't care if you're running a white widow big bud or a critical mass or hog strain your full of it.. And industry standard for a gram per watt is less than 5% of all growers if you pull 2 per you are an expert bottom line.. I'd love to see your nutrient recipe if u think u can lie saying 2 per 1k bulb with nothing but 3 part gh that's laughable seriously ridiculous
 
If gh 3 part was good nutrients I would use them on all my grows but the fact is that they are subpar and don't compare to good companies like canna or H&G bottom line..
 

Milovan

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So you are gonna tell me experts like Ed rosenthal and Erik from advanced nutrients and kyle kushman just a few of the pioneers in marijuana cultivation who are critically acclaimed for advances in marijuana cultivation
Now, that is funny!

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GH 3 part nutrients are like a little kid who just got their first bike with training wheels.. For beginners looking to run simple easy to use nutrients that want to get something from their grows everyone recommends GH 3 part.. At the end of the day very few people who advance in the hobby continue to run those nutrients for many reasons primarily because they realize that they lack the meat and potatoes of what make plants thrive and produce high quality high yielding flowers.. They lack the chemical structure and macro and micro nutrients required to produce what the average connoisseur is looking for..

GH 3 part is cheap and easy to use yes..will it grow pot yes..misfit a good fertilizer all around No.. Without adding supplements and additives that line up of base nutrients is nothing more than generic.. Same formula for over '20 yearsg are the most bought nutes.. Yes they also have great marketing plans and dynamics that drive sales but so does apple.. So you're telling me their phones a pos? No they are high quality products that command top dollar and a cult like following because of what they produce and stand by their products!! Why wouldn't you want to run their shit? Who else gives u money back guarantees.. First time I tried the ph perfect line on my grow in promix/coco I hated it I called advance told memo didn't like the results they not only gave me my money back they sent me new nutrients to try for melt that was the jungle juice 2 part which IMO is hand in hand for quality with canna.. I'm still working on dialing it in for the variety I'm running right now didn't yield as much as I usually do w the canna but the resin and thc content was much higher the aromas and quality of flowers was on par with any organic lineup I've ever used.. Never ran super soil I'm not a fan of them but I know buddies who run them and have good results I just like to hand water and make my own nutrients at every feeding so I can easily adjusts my plants as I see fit.. Don't care if I got 1 light pr 20 hand watering and making my own nute batch for every feeding depending on what the plants are telling me they need

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Oh lemme guess these guys don't know what they are doing either right?

I find it so funny that the better and more successful you are at growing or anything you do the more haters you have..

If you don't have people hating on you then you ain't doing anything right..

Big ups to my boy KK you're still the man.. Kyle's been an expert and pioneer of marijuana cultivation internationally.. That isn't because he's an idiot either..

But oh lemme guess someone told you he doesn't know what he's doing right? Lol you prolly never seen runs he has done or been to LA to buds n roses to his dispensary flo experience the quality and products his nutrient line vegamatrix produces.. and if u ask him what nutes he recommends he will tell you canna is the best (besides his obviously).. That should tell you something
 

churchhaze

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GH 3 part nutrients are like a little kid who just got their first bike with training wheels.. For beginners looking to run simple easy to use nutrients that want to get something from their grows everyone recommends GH 3 part..
This part is true

At the end of the day very few people who advance in the hobby continue to run those nutrients for many reasons primarily because they realize that they lack the meat and potatoes of what make plants thrive and produce high quality high yielding flowers.. They lack the chemical structure and macro and micro nutrients required to produce what the average connoisseur is looking for..
This part doesn't make sense. So it's simple and easy to use for people who want to get something for their grows, but it doesn't provide the meat and potatoes? You should probably come up with a better analogy... The meat and potatoes are clearly there. You're supposed to be trying to show how it's missing some kind of detail, like fart smell. (did you try my farting in the jar strategy? That one sounds right up your alley)
 
Yah that def makes sense.. I'm done arguing with people who "know it all" who I guarantee know only what they read which is usually wrong.. I asked you multiple times what nutrients you run and haven't gotten an answer.. Like I said GH 3 part is just bases they will not provide your plants with the micro and supplemental additives you need to promote rigorous root growth or foliage.. They will not grow large dense highly resinous thc glands or terpenspes because they are only phase ferts with little additional supplemental ingredients you need to grow premium flowers.. Do what you want go run your gh 3 part I'll do what I know works better and produce some of the finest quality premium flowers on the planet.. I get yield and quality GH 3 part cannot and will not even compare to anything I produce using canna or advanced and that is the truth.. The more money u spend in this business the more you get back it is what it is
 

Uncle Ben

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The nutrient ratio on the bottle means nothing every company bases have npk.. They are all similar it's everything you give your plants that make them flourish and promote high wielding thc and terpene content including yield mass and size.. 3 part gh doesn't stand a chance in any side by side grow I don't care what you're doing.. It needs other supplements and additives to become beneficial the bases are just that they are bases..
Nutrient content means everything.

Other supplements and additives, eh?

Snake oil junkie sucker bet........
 
To answer you question yes when I run synthetic nutrients during the last week before harvest I reduce nutrients and add carbohydrates/molasses and enzymes.. I follow that by flushing them for 3-5 days.. Then a dark period of 24-36 hours to increase resin and thc production...

Flushing is just as controversial as defoliation.. Some say you are starving your plants during a critical period of bloom others say it cleans out in wanted chemicals in your buds that help purify the aromas and let your plants burn smoothly..

I have no opinion on whether flushing is absolute practice by any means.. I prefer to flush because I use this as a way to begin to reduce nitrogen uptake in my plants and induce yellowing of fan leaves by controlling when I do it.. I find that when running synthetic based ferts flushing is beneficial..when running all organic nutrients free from tom and synthetics I don't think it is as necessary and is more of a personal preference..

Oh but lemme guess you have some scientific research that proves that flushing reduces yield and quality and your plants will do if you flush right? There's more than one right answer to everything and it comes down to personal preference.. The only thing getting good unfortunately is the people who think you guys know everything and that your word is derived from God.. Luckily I know better and I hope people reading this will understand that not everything you practice or preach is the truth or correct way of running things..

I rather suggest doing periodic mini flushes throughout my grow primarily between transition phases from veg to bloom and mid way through flowering I like to give water days to help relieve excess ferts and reduce excess salts before I hit them with the heavy p-k and bloom boosters.. I find doing this helps the buds burn smoother and reduces that chummy tastes you often get running synthetics..

Flushing is one of those things that isn't prove or disproven it's more of personal preference..

Also plants are like the human body.. Have u ever not eaten and just drank water for a few days what does your body do? It reduces and burns unwanted fats and toxins.. That's why I don't just do water I use carbohydrates to replenish the diminished weight from reducing chemical ferts and maintain a healthy root zone and keep the bulking through the last few days of bloom..
 
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