Cococola's "Don't call it a comeback" thread
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Along with far red to put the ladies to sleep 
GroErr
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Very nice progress in there, wow. Is this your first run doing this before/after thing with the reds Cococola? I have some extra panels that can be turned on with just the reds and had thought of mixing them in next round with the CMH as supplement. Had also read somewhere that it might not be a good idea to use them prior to lights-on so kind of put that idea on hold. Any comments/science you came across with the reds prior to lights-on? Certainly seems to be something to the fr/730nm after lights-out but didn't want to screw with prior to lights-on unless I saw/read some proof that they're not going to screw with the flowering cycle. Don't seem to be hurting yours
Greengenes707
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Ya buddy. Doing great in there. Seems like you got your system pretty dialed.
Cococola36
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Hey GroErr thanks I'm very happy with the progress so far. To correct you i only have on my red ufo lights coming on just before lights on which only have 630 and 660nm reds. I have read in my google searches that 660nm red alone can help wake plants up. The far red 730nm lumigro led bulbs are the only lights on at lights out for 5 to 10min, I actually need to get a digital timer to limit that to 5 min exactly which is all you need from what i gather. Anyways to finally answer your original question lol, yes I have done this exact test a few runs back. That run I had one hps in the middle of the cmh vs all cmh this current run. I decided to go back to this method because i know for a fact now that it works much better on all accounts (yield,flower time,etc) than the traditional 12/12. Last time I did this I didn't have co2 supplementation and got an average of 8 per plant soooo i think this should be my best run yet...ever....knock on wood!!!Very nice progress in there, wow. Is this your first run doing this before/after thing with the reds Cococola? I have some extra panels that can be turned on with just the reds and had thought of mixing them in next round with the CMH as supplement. Had also read somewhere that it might not be a good idea to use them prior to lights-on so kind of put that idea on hold. Any comments/science you came across with the reds prior to lights-on? Certainly seems to be something to the fr/730nm after lights-out but didn't want to screw with prior to lights-on unless I saw/read some proof that they're not going to screw with the flowering cycle. Don't seem to be hurting yours
Cococola36
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Thanks GG, as do you...don't think i don't still drool over them at 660's hahaha
Greengenes707
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AT's are sweet...but look at you go with cmh...kinda of hard to say 200 less watts is worth the $ since you already got the cmh down to a science.
And a little birdie told me that AT is working real hard to bring the price down. Checking out some different stateside factories. Who knows what will come of it and when... but they are trying.
GroErr
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Cool thanks, my reply/questions were a little confusing, this is exactly what I was referring to though. I have panels that have reds in the 620-630 & 650-660 spectrum sitting around. If I put them on their own timer with just the reds on, I can start them 10-15 minutes before the main lights and run them through until end of cycle. Think I'll try it this next round and see what results I get. Don't have any 730nm lights yet but may grab some separate to this and run those 5-10 min after lights out as well, that's the whole fr thing and putting them to sleep faster. Hadn't heard much about the early "wake-up" but wtf, I'll try it and sounds like you're having great results with it. Can't imagine speeding up flowering more with these Elite Agro's, what's next 6 week sativa runs? lol
indianajones
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trying to keep light color definitions straight in this instance seems
to be difficult lol. that is because definitions seem to vary depending
on source, but in my physics classes, we considered anything over
700nm infrared. when you wiki "red" it lists red as 620-740nm. far-red
is listed as 710-840nm, and infrared is listed as 700nm-1mm. makes
it a little wonky trying to keep them separate by name instead of listing
wavelength doesn't it?
Cococola36
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I think you'll like the outcome trust me, I've tried a lot of things and no matter the strain it takes well to it, speed wise, yield, and even quality
Cococola36
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I hope that little birdie is right
cityworker415
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Nice run buddy 
looks like a lot of shit going on(correctly) thanks for sharing! Cheer's
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looks like a lot of shit going on(correctly) thanks for sharing! Cheer'sSent from my XT1060 using Rollitup mobile app
Cococola36
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Update in the veg room, day 24 from the good ol paper towel. Now the real fun begins with growth being in 3 gal fabric pots (phat sacks) I now have my 315 watt 4200k cmh up and added in a couple led ufo's for supplemental fun. And I want to see if the added 450nm blue can keep my new batch nice and stocky with tighter nodes. Time will tell. Guess in reality since they are a new strain and "supposed" to be indica it will be hard to notice lol. Anywho the ufos are the same as the ones in my flower room besides spectrum obviously, with these in veg being 50/50% ratio of 450nm/6500k. They draw about 68-70 watts each.
Cococola36
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Hey guys , took some macro shots to try and show some concern in my flower room....So its only day 27 and I believe the orange hairs are due to wind burn, my air king fans are strong even on the lowest setting. Also the orange hairs seem to be only at the top closest to the fan.
Anyway i could be wrong, but my main concern is the structure of the buds are way different than my previous run. I have mini lime green areas showing up, they seem to have an early slight calyx swell too. I checked thoroughly top to bottom of every plant and found no nanners or pollen sacks of any kind. The first two pics are jamaican dream which were originally grown from seed under hps (i know lol) so under cmh might be the cause of the different bud structure..the last two pics are blue dream. I may have thrown too many variables in the mix to find the reason> extra 630/660nm leds, and far red at lights out idk, or i'm just paranoid and there fine, basically why i need some input!
Anyway i could be wrong, but my main concern is the structure of the buds are way different than my previous run. I have mini lime green areas showing up, they seem to have an early slight calyx swell too. I checked thoroughly top to bottom of every plant and found no nanners or pollen sacks of any kind. The first two pics are jamaican dream which were originally grown from seed under hps (i know lol) so under cmh might be the cause of the different bud structure..the last two pics are blue dream. I may have thrown too many variables in the mix to find the reason> extra 630/660nm leds, and far red at lights out idk, or i'm just paranoid and there fine, basically why i need some input!
natro.hydro
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They look a tad hungry so that may be contributing to the lime green look but I think you are on the right track with wind burn. I feel ya on the orange pistils, the space bomb in my avatar pic used to get pistils turning super early but didnt have any herm issuse until the last run I did and tried took it to 70 days and she shot boy parts.
Looking real good though man.
Looking real good though man.
GroErr
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Hey Cococola, I see your concern, the colour of the hairs looks more brown than reddish though which is more a typical sign of pollination and they haven't curled much/receded so you should be good, your fan or change in light variables could be causing them to brown up early. It does seem early for them to be maturing/browning but if you're not seeing any pollen sacs/nanners it's more likely one of the other variables like the fan or light discolouration. When I pollinate on purpose the colour (more reddish tint) and look of the hairs (receding, curling, almost dying look) is more pronounced than in any of the pics.
Cococola36
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Thanks natro, I have been feeding 900 ppm on a .5 scale meter so when i checked the ec conversion i thought i was on the high side of feeding along with tip burn on big fan leaves. Also i checked run off yesterday it was 1500ppm and 6.0 ph so at least its not a ph issue. Maybe they need a better flush than higher feed??
I hope so Gro! lol I can't have this run go badly...I'll check again for any signs of pollination, never hurts to take a second look for male parts. I could mist them i suppose but it seems late in the game for any foliar feeds to eradicate pollen.
I'm turning off the leds for a few days to see how they respond, i might even go back to normal 12/12 as well but idk if at this point if it will shock them or not....hmmmm decisions
natro.hydro
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That could very well be the answer is to try and get rid of those built up salts and be locking out something and just be seeing the beginning so you appear to be on the right track. 1500 seems a little high for run off but you do what you think is best don't want your garden to get boned because of some shit I said lol. Sure is frosty plant for only 27 days though
Cococola36
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I think you rang a bell in my head....last time i pushed my ladies too hard they did develope what i read was nute deposits from overfeeding. And it resembles what look like very tiny tiny almost fluorescent green seeds in some calyxes. Forgot where I read it, but i'm hoping its that. As none of these strains had any issues with herm before...I'm going to flush again with a lighter feed. Its coco so its not like ill be drenching them they dry out every other day anyhow lol
Cococola36
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Hey guys just taking the time to point out a somewhat local company selling a great product i picked up. Met these guys at the Boston max yield expo and had to give them a shout out here because they are cool down to earth people. And they designed it themselves because they are gardeners themselves. So with that said, I knew about their company before, maybe even mentioned them in the past, but now they are up and running for real and making some real head way.
http://www.cleanrootscorp.com/
You all know me I'm no salesman and try everything hahaha so when I was asked to do a review after they saw my results I said no problem. Whats the harm in a few min of my time.....nada. I say if you use plastic or fabric pots these are a win win. You will only need to buy them once as they are very durable. They clean very easily as well. If you use fabric pots and don't reuse them like myself, thats way more costly over time anyhow. Shit even if you do reuse your fabric pots I'd imagine you need to buy new ones at some point lol .
The site has all the info you need to know, but a quick run down is this: It helps keep your pots from sitting in your saucers to avoid run off (my main thought for its use among others) . I used and HATED air pots Imho but did like the one and only thing is that they held your pots out of the run off annnd provided air flow/root pruning underneath the pot, something i felt fabric pots were lacking. Yea u can mickey mouse something to put under your pot to raise it up above the runoff until you shop vac it out...but... I've also done this before and things either broke and or took up valuable run off space in my saucers. Anyway thats where I feel these platforms have come in handy, I use 10 gal fab pots as you all know in flower (not that the size really matters for the product itself) and use nice big saucers for plenty of run off to accommodate my heavy feedings. These platforms have great drainage and an arc design so they don't take up run off space, allowing my lazy ass to shop vac the run off when i get to it lol. I don't advise that because leaving run off leads to attracting pests but thats another story.
I know for all you organic growing heads run off is a non issue for the most part, and being a drain to waste guy myself it is a huge part of my growing style. Most of you that i see growing on here especially in fabric pots use soil/rols/organic supplements etc..I'll bring back up my point earlier...You bought them for the health of your roots, and for the air flow/air pruning. So even if you don't need run off you should have your pots raised for the air underneath your pots to assist in the air pruning underneath as well as imho the soppy/nasty growth i would get when i just left my pots in saucers alone which also leads to pests attraction.
Hate it or love it my review for this product is for the same reason I document my grows, to help and learn. This product helped me raise my game a little so I figured I would spread the word, like I would for any other products such as nutes or lighting I've used that i think others would find interesting or helpful.
http://www.cleanrootscorp.com/
You all know me I'm no salesman and try everything hahaha so when I was asked to do a review after they saw my results I said no problem. Whats the harm in a few min of my time.....nada. I say if you use plastic or fabric pots these are a win win. You will only need to buy them once as they are very durable. They clean very easily as well. If you use fabric pots and don't reuse them like myself, thats way more costly over time anyhow. Shit even if you do reuse your fabric pots I'd imagine you need to buy new ones at some point lol .
The site has all the info you need to know, but a quick run down is this: It helps keep your pots from sitting in your saucers to avoid run off (my main thought for its use among others) . I used and HATED air pots Imho but did like the one and only thing is that they held your pots out of the run off annnd provided air flow/root pruning underneath the pot, something i felt fabric pots were lacking. Yea u can mickey mouse something to put under your pot to raise it up above the runoff until you shop vac it out...but... I've also done this before and things either broke and or took up valuable run off space in my saucers. Anyway thats where I feel these platforms have come in handy, I use 10 gal fab pots as you all know in flower (not that the size really matters for the product itself) and use nice big saucers for plenty of run off to accommodate my heavy feedings. These platforms have great drainage and an arc design so they don't take up run off space, allowing my lazy ass to shop vac the run off when i get to it lol. I don't advise that because leaving run off leads to attracting pests but thats another story.
I know for all you organic growing heads run off is a non issue for the most part, and being a drain to waste guy myself it is a huge part of my growing style. Most of you that i see growing on here especially in fabric pots use soil/rols/organic supplements etc..I'll bring back up my point earlier...You bought them for the health of your roots, and for the air flow/air pruning. So even if you don't need run off you should have your pots raised for the air underneath your pots to assist in the air pruning underneath as well as imho the soppy/nasty growth i would get when i just left my pots in saucers alone which also leads to pests attraction.
Hate it or love it my review for this product is for the same reason I document my grows, to help and learn. This product helped me raise my game a little so I figured I would spread the word, like I would for any other products such as nutes or lighting I've used that i think others would find interesting or helpful.
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Cococola36
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Day 28 veg update , they are booming in the 3 gal... just one more to transplant
