giving defoliation during flower a try

[Ninjabowler]

Clearly not, and you are nothing but a childish troll for making that statement. Clearly your intention is not to help other growers. At least PK_Boosted is getting paid, what's your incentive besides pretending you bust UBs balls?

No, it usually means either one or both web sites are false and you need to look for a more authoritative source. The Chamber of Commerce is NOT just "a website".

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Dont get angry lion. Its only the interwebs. My incentive is to help out the growers on this site. I come here and help little jerks grow bud so maybe one day i can grow it freely in rows that line my driveway and if my tractor runs over one with a wheel, big fucking deal, theres fifty more of em and their all legal. Thats my incentive.
Hey lion, you agree co2s worthless? All fertilizer works just as well for cannabis as the next? Pruning is wrong?
I answered your question, answer mine.

 

[Thecouchlock]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Dont get angry lion. Its only the interwebs. My incentive is to help out the growers on this site. I come here and help little jerks grow bud so maybe one day i can grow it freely in rows that line my driveway and if my tractor runs over one with a wheel, big fucking deal, theres fifty more of em and their all legal. Thats my incentive.
Hey lion, you agree co2s worthless? All fertilizer works just as well for cannabis as the next? Pruning is wrong?
I answered your question, answer mine.

so feisty today scrappy

 

[waterdawg]

Hahahaa! Thats funny, it was all the old timers that finally got me to run co2. I resisted forever. Call your grow store and they usually have a chart thatll tell them the rate you should be running it from your room size. Theyll tell you what to set your regulator to and how many times to run it a day. And id never knock outdoor. Im actually going to have an outdoor grow next year. The green house just needs the poly on it. Cant frickin wait. Im in a tough climate to grow outdoor though. Buuuut im a ninja soooo i got that goin for me.

Well as previously stated running CO2 is a bit more involved than that. That is just a way to waste CO2 imo. And yes the shits pricey lol. In saying that its the heat, ventilation, and, other crap. The injection part is easy. I have a linear controller and modulating valve that I bought at wholesaler for less than $300. Now I need $500 worth of other shit. I do these things not to increase yields as much as its cool lol.

 

[Ninjabowler]

so feisty today scrappy

They caaall me scrappy co-co.

 

[Ninjabowler]

Well as previously stated running CO2 is a bit more involved than that. That is just a way to waste CO2 imo. And yes the shits pricey lol. In saying that its the heat, ventilation, and, other crap. The injection part is easy. I have a linear controller and modulating valve that I bought at wholesaler for less than $300. Now I need $500 worth of other shit. I do these things not to increase yields as much as its cool lol.

Moduwhaaaaa? I got a tank, regulator, timer, and some hoses that run to the front of a couple fans and the mini split. 20 bucks a month. I have a friend who fills tanks for 9 bucks. The mini split takes care of the heat issue.

 

[budman111]

Damnit I am so poor I can't afford the 20 bottles of advanced (((( nOOOOOOOOOOOO

Blessing in disguise!

 

[Sativied]

before canna was sold at the hydro shops folk were growing with eco-grow powdered nutes here

Eco-grow sounded familiar but after looking up an old pic I see I used Eco-style.

I started out with Pokon, 1 bottle nutes for house plants. I used Pokon for Palm plants because it had a good ratio. No idea how I made that ratio up, was before forums. The rest I got after people (sannie and other members on his forum) recommended me to get cannabis nutes (plants were doing great though):


Note the PK-13-14

That little white bottle is fish emulsion from "boerengoed" (farmergoods).

i found that the veg food was not necessary with both canna and vitalink 2 part foods

I know a quantity-grower who uses only FloraNova bloom (4-8-7). He ends yellow but always over 1gpw, usually 1.2+. Little to no veg time though, clones 12/12 nearly from start. Ends yellow and I think he could do better adding a little from the veg bottle (during the entire run). You and I run NFT, which clearly requires less N.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Dont get angry lion.

<== Wishful thinking that by default indicates you are projection your emotions on me. Like I predicted pages ago, your childish behavior will only lead to upsetting yourself. I expect a tantrum any time soon.

Seriously man, if all the trolls were like you, rollitup would be a better place. You're more like a cute chubby little troll, what's with the new avatar anyway...

Hey lion, you agree co2s worthless? All fertilizer works just as well for cannabis as the next? Pruning is wrong?
I answered your question, answer mine.

Wouldn't it have been easier if you had asked if I always agree with UB or think UB is always right?

I try to be more nuanced, but the difference is nothing compared to the difference with you. Let me illustrate:

CO2 is not worthless, as a matter of fact, the C of the CO2 is the main building block, the waste product O2 allows us to live on this planet. I will assume you actually meant supplementing CO2. In a properly vented grow room/closet/tent, CO2 does not deplete as fast as some people think. It's only the area directly surrounding the leaves that depletes. Ensuring proper air circulation solves that issue effectively. It's why we have "cabrio greenhouses" too. Does that mean adding CO2 is useless in every case? No, that is not my opinion. Adding additional CO2 is the very very last thing one could do to TRY and push the yields a little further, or if one wants/has to run sealed. Adding CO2 without having a balanced nutrient mix is ridiculous. Defoliating while adding CO2 is beyond retarded.

What actual professional scientists have discovered is that "balance" leads to the highest yields and more is not always more. Think of CO2 as another supply line, clogging one slows doesn't speed up the entire factory.

I already clearly explained my take on the second question in this thread and the bloombooster thread, read my previous replies for details, but in short: All complete and clean fertilizer with a suitable ratio works just as well for cannabis as the next complete and clean fertilizer with a suitable ratio.

As for your question about pruning. I wrote pages and pages even some including drawings with nuanced information. If you want me to look those up for you and elaborate on pruning you'll have to do better than "Pruning is wrong?"

What it comes down to is that you and others ask yes/no questions and answer questions with yes/no. My answer is almost always "it depends".






Oh and FYI: it's a cheetah

 

[pk_boosted2]

Like i said before im not even using canna or advanced im running botanicare on one location and soul synthetics on another

All i said is that dyna gro is bull shit and so is buying cheap walmart foods canna and advanced are both leading nutrient industries for cannabis cultivation and they are the bench mark for producing quality yields and flowers i have never found a better complete nutrient line. Those are the 2 best right now and have been for last decade

 

[pk_boosted2]

Unfortunately im not gettin paid for anything but what i sell to the dispensaries and patients i wish i was its in the works.

 

[st0wandgrow]

All i said is that dyna gro is bull shit and so is buying cheap walmart foods canna and advanced are both leading nutrient industries for cannabis cultivation and they are the bench mark for producing quality yields and flowers i have never found a better complete nutrient line. Those are the 2 best right now and have been for last decade

You own a hydro shop. Your job is to peddle over priced canna-specific nutrients.

Can you break down for us *why* you feel that Canna's salts are better than JR Peters' salts?

 

[Ninjabowler]

Eco-grow sounded familiar but after looking up an old pic I see I used Eco-style.

I started out with Pokon, 1 bottle nutes for house plants. I used Pokon for Palm plants because it had a good ratio. No idea how I made that ratio up, was before forums. The rest I got after people (sannie and other members on his forum) recommended me to get cannabis nutes (plants were doing great though):
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Note the PK-13-14

That little white bottle is fish emulsion from "boerengoed" (farmergoods).

I know a quantity-grower who uses only FloraNova bloom (4-8-7). He ends yellow but always over 1gpw, usually 1.2+. Little to no veg time though, clones 12/12 nearly from start. Ends yellow and I think he could do better adding a little from the veg bottle (during the entire run). You and I run NFT, which clearly requires less N.

<== Wishful thinking that by default indicates you are projection your emotions on me. Like I predicted pages ago, your childish behavior will only lead to upsetting yourself. I expect a tantrum any time soon.

Seriously man, if all the trolls were like you, rollitup would be a better place. You're more like a cute chubby little troll, what's with the new avatar anyway...


Wouldn't it have been easier if you had asked if I always agree with UB or think UB is always right?

I try to be more nuanced, but the difference is nothing compared to the difference with you. Let me illustrate:

CO2 is not worthless, as a matter of fact, the C of the CO2 is the main building block, the waste product O2 allows us to live on this planet. I will assume you actually meant supplementing CO2. In a properly vented grow room/closet/tent, CO2 does not deplete as fast as some people think. It's only the area directly surrounding the leaves that depletes. Ensuring proper air circulation solves that issue effectively. It's why we have "cabrio greenhouses" too. Does that mean adding CO2 is useless in every case? No, that is not my opinion. Adding additional CO2 is the very very last thing one could do to TRY and push the yields a little further, or if one wants/has to run sealed. Adding CO2 without having a balanced nutrient mix is ridiculous. Defoliating while adding CO2 is beyond retarded.

What actual professional scientists have discovered is that "balance" leads to the highest yields and more is not always more. Think of CO2 as another supply line, clogging one slows doesn't speed up the entire factory.

I already clearly explained my take on the second question in this thread and the bloombooster thread, read my previous replies for details, but in short: All complete and clean fertilizer with a suitable ratio works just as well for cannabis as the next complete and clean fertilizer with a suitable ratio.

As for your question about pruning. I wrote pages and pages even some including drawings with nuanced information. If you want me to look those up for you and elaborate on pruning you'll have to do better than "Pruning is wrong?"

What it comes down to is that you and others ask yes/no questions and answer questions with yes/no. My answer is almost always "it depends".






Oh and FYI: it's a cheetah

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I always thought it was a lion. Thanks for the eye opener. You did a really good job of not answering any of my questions and sitting on the fence. But thats good. Im the same way. I also believe that theres a time and place for every technique to be used in growing. That what ive been preaching this whole time, so has pk. He believes differently than you about nutrients but im sure that most of the people following are all in agreement that there is a time and place for everything. Probably even pk boost. Fluffy smelless bud....pk boost it. Bulkener. Lanky plant like blue dream indoor.....bud ignightor. I only know one person following this thread that cant see both sides of the arguement and aplications for the stated techniques.

 

[Growerguy420]

You own a hydro shop. Your job is to peddle over priced canna-specific nutrients.

Can you break down for us *why* you feel that Canna's salts are better than JR Peters' salts?

 

[pk_boosted2]

I dont have a canna account at my shop they only refulate their products to certain locations and if a store within 50 miles of your place carries it and has been there before u you cant carry it.. Only way i get canna is to order it through internet so plz ask before u go tellin ppl lies.. I do carry advanced i do not have canna i do have h&g though

 

[st0wandgrow]

Probably even pk boost. Fluffy smelless bud....pk boost it. Bulkener. Lanky plant like blue dream indoor.....bud ignightor. I only know one person following this thread that cant see both sides of the arguement and aplications for the stated techniques.

You can add me to the one person list as well. Christ, I think Uncle Ben is an arrogant douche nozzle but I can at least admit when the man is right.

If you have a plant that is genetically predisposed to produce "fluffy smellless bud", then no amount of pk boost (or whatever other bullshit in a bottle) is going to change that. That's just not how it works.

I have grown cheesequake for years now. It has been with me through many different nutrient lines, and many different growing techniques (currently amended organic soil), and guess what? It smells, and tastes the same every single time.

I honestly believe that this notion stems from marijuana growers wanting to inflate their own ego, and pat themselves on the back for a job well done with all of the tinkering and measuring out of this and that...... when the reality is it's 95% genetics.

 

[pk_boosted2]

Genetics is absolutely important in smell, taste, thc content and yield nutrients make up a small factor in overall plant quality thats why its important to run the bedt nutrients you can to maximize the genetics potential which is why companies like advanced nutrients spend countless of millions of dollars and hours into research and devlopment to be the best. They dont do it to sell products they do it for the same reason u grow cannabis so they can be the best and have the best.. And they guarantee it is 100% no questions asked ive returned shit for them without hesitation i dont get many returns because bottom line is they are stand up company thats backs what they do. And i can promise u that they are the gold standard in the industry and i stand by that as well.

Listen i said same thing everyone else does about them until i began using the shit myself, oh why r there so many bottles, the labels and names are gimmicks well yes they are because they do have s great marketing and sales team but when u use their stuff and get results u have never gotten before u would understand why and its a fact that they r leading cannabis nutrient line with very little competition that many companies would love to be able to imitate much like canna

 

[pk_boosted2]

Anyone who makes posts and says that using microbial life, bacteria and myco growng organics is useless and u dont need them is sadly mistaken and proves they know nothing about organics. Uncant grow good organic without beneficial bacteria and microbial colonies its what drives the production of nutrients and proteins for plant uptake. If undidnt have those in ur rhizosphere your plants would have numerous problems including under and over fertilization, root issues including bacteria funguses and a breeding ground for disease and it wouldnt break down old unused nutrients in your rootzone causing deficiencies and malnutrition. So idk who would listen to anything he says including all his other nonsense sbout not using humic and fulvic acids or silicstes in your grow thats just stupidity and scientifically proven to be absolutely wrong and it is what it is. So if u wanna take advice from someone who believes he is always right and doesnt acknowledge new advances in cultivation practices than thats up to you. I know what im doing. I do it very well and i am here to both learn and help others not to belittle and put everyone down fo rtrying different things and thats all he does. Who would want to deal w someone like that? Not me

 

[pk_boosted2]

Im not a scientist or botanist my any means but all nutrients are not created equal

The process from extraction to how they are processed to how they are binded and structured in the bases and bottles is all part of what makes one nutrient line better than another. How the nutrients are chelated, and their level of soluability is essential in what makes one nutrient better than the other. Whether nutrients are derived from plant, animal or lab made makes a difference. Theres so many factors and variables that make nutrients different, companies like Advanced understand this and pay millions per year formulating their nutrients to be the best and i agree and find that they really are

 

[Uncle Ben]

What do you expect from a guy whos dropping clips from tv shows from 1977.....those kids and their new fangled co2 crap! We grow outdoors round here! Just like it was done in the 50's when i was a boy. At least im learning from arguing with Ben. Some learning is happening thanks to PK lol. Its so funny that when you poke people with sticks that they usually spout off valuable information in order to defend their "rightness". Ah well, PK, your smackin this old man all around the ring again today bro, keep up the good work, im off to go smoke some new fangled cherry pie.

GONG

 

[st0wandgrow]

Genetics is absolutely important in smell, taste, thc content and yield nutrients make up a small factor in overall plant quality thats why its important to run the bedt nutrients you can to maximize the genetics potential which is why companies like advanced nutrients spend countless of millions of dollars and hours into research and devlopment to be the best. They dont do it to sell products they do it for the same reason u grow cannabis so they can be the best and have the best.. And they guarantee it is 100% no questions asked ive returned shit for them without hesitation i dont get many returns because bottom line is they are stand up company thats backs what they do. And i can promise u that they are the gold standard in the industry and i stand by that as well.

Listen i said same thing everyone else does about them until i began using the shit myself, oh why r there so many bottles, the labels and names are gimmicks well yes they are because they do have s great marketing and sales team but when u use their stuff and get results u have never gotten before u would understand why and its a fact that they r leading cannabis nutrient line with very little competition that many companies would love to be able to imitate much like canna

I typically don't argue over nutrient lines. If someone wants to spend their money on a dozen different bottles then who am I to tell them that they shouldn't?

Your situation is a little different though being that you own a hydro shop, and you're the one who fleeces these folks. It stands to reason that your profit margin is much higher when you can talk someone in to buying 8 bottles of AN "kaboom", and "cha-ching", and "super special sauce" (these names are so retarded and should be a red flag) as opposed to a $10 tub of Jacks Classic. As a consumer, I'd like to hear you break down WHY AN's salts are more effective for growing my cannabis plants than other less expensive nutrients are. You are selling this product as a vastly superior one, so you should be able to articulate in great detail why it's better. If you can't, then I'm left to assume that this is simply a matter of padding your own wallet..... which is fine, this is America.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Yes he is. I know you remember the better salts discussion with the other hydro store employee. For this pk_clown it doesn't even matter in what ratio those magic salts are provided. Which makes the name PK_Boosted even more ridiculous.

Yep, it's down right comical.