crawlintbss
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graet stuff! Like the basement build out. Im working on plans to build a small closet for our basement to put everything in.
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GroErr
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Yeah, just trying again and still no go with pic uploads. If you mean that grey flooring, it was at Home Depot. They sell it in different roll sizes and found one that would cover it and cut it to size. They sell it as garage flooring, to lay directly on concrete, but I layed it on a 1/2" plywood sub-floor, it's about 3/16" thick, pretty durable and easy to clean.
GroErr
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Thanks, go for it, unfinished basements are great for sectioning off areas, with insulation and ducting you can have a nice room and keep it stealth.
GroErr
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Hi all, finally able to get some pics up.
An overview of my various cabinets/rooms:
(Will post details/updates on each as they develop)
For clones, seedlings, vegging I run LED's. I had bought a few of the TopLED reflector panels. After trying them for flowering I gave up on them but still use them for this purpose as they do very well. In veg I prefer bushy plants with tight nodes and find the LED's do this well. I then stretch them, sometimes before going into flowering (if space/cabinet is available) at 14/10. In the flower room I use CMH, 2x LEC 315w Sun Systems and trying some 630/660nm reds right now in one 3x3 to see if it makes any difference.
Clones:
Use a DIY Aero Cloner, nothing fancy cost about $50 to build. Has 12 sites which is enough for what I need right now and I can add more if needed. Run this wherever I have room. Last couple of times I just put it under the stairs in my basement, in front of a tent I have. With the res sitting on the concrete floor, it keeps the res temps below 72F and the ambient temps around 75F, working well. I've had it running for 2 weeks, pulled some clones, re-loaded some more clones and the water is clear, haven't even changed the res and the newer clones are popping bumps after only a few days. Looks like a good spot so I'll probably run it there, takes too much room and usually have my main veg cabinet full so good enough. While I have them in the cloner I run 24/0 using an LED panel with only the veg switch on, uses ~120w. If you haven't tried an Aero Cloner, try one, I'll never go back to any other method other than straight into a party cup from time to time like I just did when the cloner had no spots available and I wanted some extra Blue Dream clones. It's so easy and pretty well 100% success rate. The success rate is so good that I'll run clones of each plant and eventually cull and select the best one's to run.
Cloner a few days ago, loaded it at different times, 1/2 the clones were just moved to the seedling cabinet in party cups. The rest are around day 6 so this weekend I'll put the rest into party cups:
Seedlings and clones cabinet (once they' re in party cups):
Once they get out of the cloner, or if I'm running seeds, I use a small DIY cabinet. It's ~ 13" x 30" x 48"H and just gets them well rooted in party cups, sometimes 1Gal fabric pots while waiting for the main veg cabinet. This cabinet cost me around $60 in materials and one afternoon. I use active intake using a simple duct booster fan 24/7 and passive exhaust, works well, allows constant air exchange and maintains temps in the 75-80F, humidity in the 55-65% range. Once they're ready to up-pot or I'm out of space they go into the veg cabinet. It's basically a 2x2" wood frame, then the walls/ceiling are all that DuroFoam insulation (inside and out in case I want to put it in the flower room but separate from the main lights).
Clones just moved from the cloner on Sunday:
Veg Cabinet:
Once they come out of the smaller cabinet, they're typically ready to up-pot into 1Gal pots and go into the DIY veg cabinet. This cabinet is 2x4x5.5' and how I started for the first year or so indoor. It's a 2x6 construction for the floor and ceiling (sits in a cold room so I wanted it elevated), 2x4 walls. Using active intake with a circulation fan which has an intake hole behind it, so it acts as both circulation and sucks in fresh air 24/7. A simple duct booster fan runs 24/7 exhaust. Temps are easily maintained at 78-82F and humidity for the most part stays in the 55-65% range. When I have it full humidity can climb higher and I just open the door a crack to reduce it, usually only temporary when it's packed wall-to-wall. No significant smell during veg and it sits inside a part of the cold room (9" poured concrete for walls and ceiling, doubles as a bomb shelter - lol) that I built the flower room in, separate from the house and a steel door going into the basement, no smell or noise worries. I run one of the LG reflector panels, the "450" watt model but only with the veg switch on (minimal reds) and pulls 200w actual draw. Added a DIY 40w 6500k LED tube panel for additional light. Typically I run this cabinet 18/6. From time to time, if I have the room, I'll flip the plants in there to 14/10 for ~10 days to pre-stretch and get them pre-flowering. This works great and speeds up flowering times once they reach 12/12 in the flower room, typically I'm seeing buds within 3-4 days of 12/12 when I do this. Since they're pre-stretched I can tie them up in the trellises at their final footprint more or less. When I finished the flower room I had some of that DuroFoam insulation left and re-lined/upgraded the interior to that reflective insulation a few months ago, works great. Until I expand veg space to feed the (2) 3x3's in the flower room, I have to offset them so I'll run 4-6 plants in 3Gal pots for one 3x3, then 3-4 5Gal pots the next 3x3, or 1-2 larger plants if I have the space to veg them longer.
Current Veg cabinet, 4x DIY seedlings, 2x Harlequin clones (next 3x3), 1x Jack The Ripper (headed for 7Gal pot 2 rounds out):
Tent (2x2x4'):
I originally picked up this tent to veg and feed the cabinet when I was flowering in it. Once I built the flower room it was no longer needed. But like any spare equipment, there's always a use for it. Now, I use it for either just flowering out smaller runs, usually something new, or breeding in it. It sits under my stairs un the basement, perfect fit right under the steps themselves. I cover it with a piece of that DuroFoam insulation and you wouldn't know it was there. I've run quite a few breeding and flower runs in it, all I do to control the smell is run a HEPA filter outside the tent, close to the exhaust and open an ONA gel bucket outside the tent, all you can ever smell is the ONA gel. I just finished a few seed runs so right now I have a CBD project, searching for a high CBD strain. Running 4x Harlequin BX4's in there at 4 weeks into 12/12 yesterday, they're 1/2 way through and rocking it. I had been running one of the LG "300w" panels for seeds but it sucked, I got seeds but a lot of times I'll just selectively pollinate a few branches, the rest is smoke and I was getting fluff. So I bought a $165 200w (actual draw) 3000k COB LED Warehouse spot light. It was about a 30% increase in output over the flowering capabilities of the LG panels (why I don't recommend those LG panels for flowering), but still not great. The 2 rounds ago, I needed some heat, it sits in the basement and in the summer when the air-conditioning is going, I couldn't get above 72-74F in there. I added a DIY CFL panel I had built a long time ago for seedlings and supplemental light. Initially 6x CFL's were too hot, so I replaced some CFL's with LED bulbs until I got to the temps I wanted (80F). That in turn increased the output/yield again by another 30% or so and almost matched the flowering yield of my CMH, firs turn I did this I pulled a little over 6 zips from 2 24" plants in 3Gal pots. I've posted that imo it's the mixed spectrum, there's the 3000k 200w spot light, then this panel angled towards the tops using 3x 13w 2700k CFL's, and 3x 10w 4000k LED bulbs. Now I'm getting decent, tight buds and very respectable yields from a bunch of crappy lights.
Tent running 4x Harlequin's, high CBD strain pheno search, 4 weeks in:
Main Flower Room:
This is my pimped out flower room as my son calls it. I incorporated a lot of stuff into the design to make it as easy to use as possible and eliminate wasted time chasing the environment. I posted a link to the build in the first post for details. This allows me to concentrate on the grow, the room and environment are now just as simple as turning the dials on my variable controllers attached to my inline fans for incoming and exhaust. Depending on the season or how many lights I'm running, I simply increase or decrease the speed on one or both to "dial-in" the temps and humidity.
Current setup. 2x 3x3's offset by 2 weeks, 7 strains:
That's it, for now
Next will be building a bigger veg area to feed my flower room properly. While I can get by with the veg cabinet, I want some space to grow larger plants and I'm limited with how large/how many plants I can veg to feed the flower room. Have a spot in the laundry room picked out, easy access to my dryer vent for exhaust. Will incorporate the build into finishing my basement area, that will separate the laundry room/veg room, including a steel door/insulation, well away from prying eyes and ears.
Cheers...
An overview of my various cabinets/rooms:
(Will post details/updates on each as they develop)
For clones, seedlings, vegging I run LED's. I had bought a few of the TopLED reflector panels. After trying them for flowering I gave up on them but still use them for this purpose as they do very well. In veg I prefer bushy plants with tight nodes and find the LED's do this well. I then stretch them, sometimes before going into flowering (if space/cabinet is available) at 14/10. In the flower room I use CMH, 2x LEC 315w Sun Systems and trying some 630/660nm reds right now in one 3x3 to see if it makes any difference.
Clones:
Use a DIY Aero Cloner, nothing fancy cost about $50 to build. Has 12 sites which is enough for what I need right now and I can add more if needed. Run this wherever I have room. Last couple of times I just put it under the stairs in my basement, in front of a tent I have. With the res sitting on the concrete floor, it keeps the res temps below 72F and the ambient temps around 75F, working well. I've had it running for 2 weeks, pulled some clones, re-loaded some more clones and the water is clear, haven't even changed the res and the newer clones are popping bumps after only a few days. Looks like a good spot so I'll probably run it there, takes too much room and usually have my main veg cabinet full so good enough. While I have them in the cloner I run 24/0 using an LED panel with only the veg switch on, uses ~120w. If you haven't tried an Aero Cloner, try one, I'll never go back to any other method other than straight into a party cup from time to time like I just did when the cloner had no spots available and I wanted some extra Blue Dream clones. It's so easy and pretty well 100% success rate. The success rate is so good that I'll run clones of each plant and eventually cull and select the best one's to run.
Cloner a few days ago, loaded it at different times, 1/2 the clones were just moved to the seedling cabinet in party cups. The rest are around day 6 so this weekend I'll put the rest into party cups:
Seedlings and clones cabinet (once they' re in party cups):
Once they get out of the cloner, or if I'm running seeds, I use a small DIY cabinet. It's ~ 13" x 30" x 48"H and just gets them well rooted in party cups, sometimes 1Gal fabric pots while waiting for the main veg cabinet. This cabinet cost me around $60 in materials and one afternoon. I use active intake using a simple duct booster fan 24/7 and passive exhaust, works well, allows constant air exchange and maintains temps in the 75-80F, humidity in the 55-65% range. Once they're ready to up-pot or I'm out of space they go into the veg cabinet. It's basically a 2x2" wood frame, then the walls/ceiling are all that DuroFoam insulation (inside and out in case I want to put it in the flower room but separate from the main lights).
Clones just moved from the cloner on Sunday:
Veg Cabinet:
Once they come out of the smaller cabinet, they're typically ready to up-pot into 1Gal pots and go into the DIY veg cabinet. This cabinet is 2x4x5.5' and how I started for the first year or so indoor. It's a 2x6 construction for the floor and ceiling (sits in a cold room so I wanted it elevated), 2x4 walls. Using active intake with a circulation fan which has an intake hole behind it, so it acts as both circulation and sucks in fresh air 24/7. A simple duct booster fan runs 24/7 exhaust. Temps are easily maintained at 78-82F and humidity for the most part stays in the 55-65% range. When I have it full humidity can climb higher and I just open the door a crack to reduce it, usually only temporary when it's packed wall-to-wall. No significant smell during veg and it sits inside a part of the cold room (9" poured concrete for walls and ceiling, doubles as a bomb shelter - lol) that I built the flower room in, separate from the house and a steel door going into the basement, no smell or noise worries. I run one of the LG reflector panels, the "450" watt model but only with the veg switch on (minimal reds) and pulls 200w actual draw. Added a DIY 40w 6500k LED tube panel for additional light. Typically I run this cabinet 18/6. From time to time, if I have the room, I'll flip the plants in there to 14/10 for ~10 days to pre-stretch and get them pre-flowering. This works great and speeds up flowering times once they reach 12/12 in the flower room, typically I'm seeing buds within 3-4 days of 12/12 when I do this. Since they're pre-stretched I can tie them up in the trellises at their final footprint more or less. When I finished the flower room I had some of that DuroFoam insulation left and re-lined/upgraded the interior to that reflective insulation a few months ago, works great. Until I expand veg space to feed the (2) 3x3's in the flower room, I have to offset them so I'll run 4-6 plants in 3Gal pots for one 3x3, then 3-4 5Gal pots the next 3x3, or 1-2 larger plants if I have the space to veg them longer.
Current Veg cabinet, 4x DIY seedlings, 2x Harlequin clones (next 3x3), 1x Jack The Ripper (headed for 7Gal pot 2 rounds out):
Tent (2x2x4'):
I originally picked up this tent to veg and feed the cabinet when I was flowering in it. Once I built the flower room it was no longer needed. But like any spare equipment, there's always a use for it. Now, I use it for either just flowering out smaller runs, usually something new, or breeding in it. It sits under my stairs un the basement, perfect fit right under the steps themselves. I cover it with a piece of that DuroFoam insulation and you wouldn't know it was there. I've run quite a few breeding and flower runs in it, all I do to control the smell is run a HEPA filter outside the tent, close to the exhaust and open an ONA gel bucket outside the tent, all you can ever smell is the ONA gel. I just finished a few seed runs so right now I have a CBD project, searching for a high CBD strain. Running 4x Harlequin BX4's in there at 4 weeks into 12/12 yesterday, they're 1/2 way through and rocking it. I had been running one of the LG "300w" panels for seeds but it sucked, I got seeds but a lot of times I'll just selectively pollinate a few branches, the rest is smoke and I was getting fluff. So I bought a $165 200w (actual draw) 3000k COB LED Warehouse spot light. It was about a 30% increase in output over the flowering capabilities of the LG panels (why I don't recommend those LG panels for flowering), but still not great. The 2 rounds ago, I needed some heat, it sits in the basement and in the summer when the air-conditioning is going, I couldn't get above 72-74F in there. I added a DIY CFL panel I had built a long time ago for seedlings and supplemental light. Initially 6x CFL's were too hot, so I replaced some CFL's with LED bulbs until I got to the temps I wanted (80F). That in turn increased the output/yield again by another 30% or so and almost matched the flowering yield of my CMH, firs turn I did this I pulled a little over 6 zips from 2 24" plants in 3Gal pots. I've posted that imo it's the mixed spectrum, there's the 3000k 200w spot light, then this panel angled towards the tops using 3x 13w 2700k CFL's, and 3x 10w 4000k LED bulbs. Now I'm getting decent, tight buds and very respectable yields from a bunch of crappy lights.
Tent running 4x Harlequin's, high CBD strain pheno search, 4 weeks in:
Main Flower Room:
This is my pimped out flower room as my son calls it. I incorporated a lot of stuff into the design to make it as easy to use as possible and eliminate wasted time chasing the environment. I posted a link to the build in the first post for details. This allows me to concentrate on the grow, the room and environment are now just as simple as turning the dials on my variable controllers attached to my inline fans for incoming and exhaust. Depending on the season or how many lights I'm running, I simply increase or decrease the speed on one or both to "dial-in" the temps and humidity.
Current setup. 2x 3x3's offset by 2 weeks, 7 strains:
That's it, for now
Next will be building a bigger veg area to feed my flower room properly. While I can get by with the veg cabinet, I want some space to grow larger plants and I'm limited with how large/how many plants I can veg to feed the flower room. Have a spot in the laundry room picked out, easy access to my dryer vent for exhaust. Will incorporate the build into finishing my basement area, that will separate the laundry room/veg room, including a steel door/insulation, well away from prying eyes and ears.Cheers...
bradburry
Well-Known Member
you mentioned at the begining of this post you like to strech your plants abit in the flower room with your lights at 14/10 ?..... Does 14/10 induce more stretch?Hi all, finally able to get some pics up.
An overview of my various cabinets/rooms:
(Will post details/updates on each as they develop)
For clones, seedlings, vegging I run LED's. I had bought a few of the TopLED reflector panels. After trying them for flowering I gave up on them but still use them for this purpose as they do very well. In veg I prefer bushy plants with tight nodes and find the LED's do this well. I then stretch them, sometimes before going into flowering (if space/cabinet is available) at 14/10. In the flower room I use CMH, 2x LEC 315w Sun Systems and trying some 630/660nm reds right now in one 3x3 to see if it makes any difference.
Clones:
Use a DIY Aero Cloner, nothing fancy cost about $50 to build. Has 12 sites which is enough for what I need right now and I can add more if needed. Run this wherever I have room. Last couple of times I just put it under the stairs in my basement, in front of a tent I have. With the res sitting on the concrete floor, it keeps the res temps below 72F and the ambient temps around 75F, working well. I've had it running for 2 weeks, pulled some clones, re-loaded some more clones and the water is clear, haven't even changed the res and the newer clones are popping bumps after only a few days. Looks like a good spot so I'll probably run it there, takes too much room and usually have my main veg cabinet full so good enough. While I have them in the cloner I run 24/0 using an LED panel with only the veg switch on, uses ~120w. If you haven't tried an Aero Cloner, try one, I'll never go back to any other method other than straight into a party cup from time to time like I just did when the cloner had no spots available and I wanted some extra Blue Dream clones. It's so easy and pretty well 100% success rate. The success rate is so good that I'll run clones of each plant and eventually cull and select the best one's to run.
Cloner a few days ago, loaded it at different times, 1/2 the clones were just moved to the seedling cabinet in party cups. The rest are around day 6 so this weekend I'll put the rest into party cups:
View attachment 3300868
Seedlings and clones cabinet (once they' re in party cups):
Once they get out of the cloner, or if I'm running seeds, I use a small DIY cabinet. It's ~ 13" x 30" x 48"H and just gets them well rooted in party cups, sometimes 1Gal fabric pots while waiting for the main veg cabinet. This cabinet cost me around $60 in materials and one afternoon. I use active intake using a simple duct booster fan 24/7 and passive exhaust, works well, allows constant air exchange and maintains temps in the 75-80F, humidity in the 55-65% range. Once they're ready to up-pot or I'm out of space they go into the veg cabinet. It's basically a 2x2" wood frame, then the walls/ceiling are all that DuroFoam insulation (inside and out in case I want to put it in the flower room but separate from the main lights).
Clones just moved from the cloner on Sunday:
View attachment 3300869
Veg Cabinet:
Once they come out of the smaller cabinet, they're typically ready to up-pot into 1Gal pots and go into the DIY veg cabinet. This cabinet is 2x4x5.5' and how I started for the first year or so indoor. It's a 2x6 construction for the floor and ceiling (sits in a cold room so I wanted it elevated), 2x4 walls. Using active intake with a circulation fan which has an intake hole behind it, so it acts as both circulation and sucks in fresh air 24/7. A simple duct booster fan runs 24/7 exhaust. Temps are easily maintained at 78-82F and humidity for the most part stays in the 55-65% range. When I have it full humidity can climb higher and I just open the door a crack to reduce it, usually only temporary when it's packed wall-to-wall. No significant smell during veg and it sits inside a part of the cold room (9" poured concrete for walls and ceiling, doubles as a bomb shelter - lol) that I built the flower room in, separate from the house and a steel door going into the basement, no smell or noise worries. I run one of the LG reflector panels, the "450" watt model but only with the veg switch on (minimal reds) and pulls 200w actual draw. Added a DIY 40w 6500k LED tube panel for additional light. Typically I run this cabinet 18/6. From time to time, if I have the room, I'll flip the plants in there to 14/10 for ~10 days to pre-stretch and get them pre-flowering. This works great and speeds up flowering times once they reach 12/12 in the flower room, typically I'm seeing buds within 3-4 days of 12/12 when I do this. Since they're pre-stretched I can tie them up in the trellises at their final footprint more or less. When I finished the flower room I had some of that DuroFoam insulation left and re-lined/upgraded the interior to that reflective insulation a few months ago, works great. Until I expand veg space to feed the (2) 3x3's in the flower room, I have to offset them so I'll run 4-6 plants in 3Gal pots for one 3x3, then 3-4 5Gal pots the next 3x3, or 1-2 larger plants if I have the space to veg them longer.
Current Veg cabinet, 4x DIY seedlings, 2x Harlequin clones (next 3x3), 1x Jack The Ripper (headed for 7Gal pot 2 rounds out):
View attachment 3300871
Tent (2x2x4'):
I originally picked up this tent to veg and feed the cabinet when I was flowering in it. Once I built the flower room it was no longer needed. But like any spare equipment, there's always a use for it. Now, I use it for either just flowering out smaller runs, usually something new, or breeding in it. It sits under my stairs un the basement, perfect fit right under the steps themselves. I cover it with a piece of that DuroFoam insulation and you wouldn't know it was there. I've run quite a few breeding and flower runs in it, all I do to control the smell is run a HEPA filter outside the tent, close to the exhaust and open an ONA gel bucket outside the tent, all you can ever smell is the ONA gel. I just finished a few seed runs so right now I have a CBD project, searching for a high CBD strain. Running 4x Harlequin BX4's in there at 4 weeks into 12/12 yesterday, they're 1/2 way through and rocking it. I had been running one of the LG "300w" panels for seeds but it sucked, I got seeds but a lot of times I'll just selectively pollinate a few branches, the rest is smoke and I was getting fluff. So I bought a $165 200w (actual draw) 3000k COB LED Warehouse spot light. It was about a 30% increase in output over the flowering capabilities of the LG panels (why I don't recommend those LG panels for flowering), but still not great. The 2 rounds ago, I needed some heat, it sits in the basement and in the summer when the air-conditioning is going, I couldn't get above 72-74F in there. I added a DIY CFL panel I had built a long time ago for seedlings and supplemental light. Initially 6x CFL's were too hot, so I replaced some CFL's with LED bulbs until I got to the temps I wanted (80F). That in turn increased the output/yield again by another 30% or so and almost matched the flowering yield of my CMH, firs turn I did this I pulled a little over 6 zips from 2 24" plants in 3Gal pots. I've posted that imo it's the mixed spectrum, there's the 3000k 200w spot light, then this panel angled towards the tops using 3x 13w 2700k CFL's, and 3x 10w 4000k LED bulbs. Now I'm getting decent, tight buds and very respectable yields from a bunch of crappy lights.
Tent running 4x Harlequin's, high CBD strain pheno search, 4 weeks in:
View attachment 3300870
Main Flower Room:
This is my pimped out flower room as my son calls it. I incorporated a lot of stuff into the design to make it as easy to use as possible and eliminate wasted time chasing the environment. I posted a link to the build in the first post for details. This allows me to concentrate on the grow, the room and environment are now just as simple as turning the dials on my variable controllers attached to my inline fans for incoming and exhaust. Depending on the season or how many lights I'm running, I simply increase or decrease the speed on one or both to "dial-in" the temps and humidity.
Current setup. 2x 3x3's offset by 2 weeks, 7 strains:
View attachment 3300872
That's it, for now
Cheers...
GroErr
Well-Known Member
Hi bradbury, yes when I have even a few days available, typically in the veg cabinet (flower room runs perpetual now and always @12/12). 7-10 days @14/10 gets them pre-flowering and stretches them. Difficult to say whether it stretches them more than @12/12 but it definitely induces the stretch period. What I like about it is by the time they hit 12/12, they're 90% stretched and within a 3-4 days of moving them to 12/12 they're popping flowers. For my current style grow, using the trellises to form a pseudo vertical scrog and vegging them under the LED's (tight nodes/bushy), this works well for me. By the time I put them into 12/12 in the main flower room, they're pretty well done the stretch, I can tie/weave the colas using the trellises, even out the canopy and set my light to about 24" and they finish stretching around 20-22" below the CMH. Whether I do this or not depends on what I have coming up into veg, it'll be difficult to do for a bit until I expand out my veg area. At that point I'll have the current veg cabinet available to pre-stretch them before the final move into the main flower room.you mentioned at the begining of this post you like to strech your plants abit in the flower room with your lights at 14/10 ?..... Does 14/10 induce more stretch?
bradburry
Well-Known Member
thanks...im gunna use that 14/10 technique myself.
learning something allready on your thread buddy
im all subbed in now lol.
GroErr
Well-Known Member
Cheers, another side benefit of this method is the breeder's time tends to be closer to the low side of the finish time breeder's publish. So imo there's no extra time added with this, if anything it seems to speed up the overall flowering period and they get a couple of hours of extra light through the stretch when they can use more light.thanks...im gunna use that 14/10 technique myself.
learning something allready on your thread buddy
im all subbed in now lol.
Funny side note to this is I came across this method by mistake. When I was finishing the flower room build I needed a couple of extra hours of light in the flower room to finish up some minor items. So I put the flower room lights at 14/10 to give me a couple of hours extra to work on the room. Took me 10 days to finish it while they were at 14/10 and noticed they had stretched and pre-flowered. Did it on purpose the next round and have been doing it since when I have the room available.
bradburry
Well-Known Member
a breeder told me his lighting secrets that 14/10 induce more sativa phenos and 10/14 induces more indica phenos .....for his seed.
something like that....it doesnt do anything to the bud just the seed.
GroErr
Well-Known Member
A closer look and some more details on the cycles on the go.
Tent:
I've been looking for a high CBD strain. I can use it in my edibles and I have a couple of cancer patients that can benefit from it. I went looking and found this Harlequin BX4 from BC Bud Depot. I've had good luck with the quality of BCBD seeds so I bought 4 reg seeds. They're supposed to be 1:1 ratio of THC/CBD and anywhere from 7%-12% of each. The original intent buying reg seeds was I figured I'd pop at least one male to make some of my own seeds, these high CBD strains are expensive (around $14 per seed for these). Of course, since I wanted a male, I ended up with 4x fems! Since I didn't get any harlequin pollen I pollinated a couple of branches with some Blueberry pollen I had. Not expecting much that pollen is around 5 months old and I found anywhere after 4 months it hasn't produced as much as when it's fresher. Looks like there could be a couple of buds that will take, you can see a few hairs on the bud pics below that were pollinated, will wait and see if they took. No loss if they didn't, I'll probably buy a few more seeds down the road and see if I can pop a male for pollen.
So far I'm impressed with this strain. It's been an easy grow, no defs to speak of other than some cal-mag issues very early on (typical). They're building a good amount of bud sites. Very nice smell coming off 2 of the phenos I'll be keeping, a mix of pineapple and lemon. I'll be keeping the two phenos at the back for now, although pheno #2 looks like the best plant/bud structure and smell so that will be a definite keeper. Only strange thing with this strain is every one of the 4 phenos I pulled has some twisted/mutant looking leaves, not many but a few each, other than that they're looking healthy and happy. Another member growing out Harlequin mentioned the same mutant leaves in a post so sounds like a strain trait.
@day 25 of 12/12, they had a week of 14/10, expecting them to finish around 55 days of 12/12:
Tent:
I've been looking for a high CBD strain. I can use it in my edibles and I have a couple of cancer patients that can benefit from it. I went looking and found this Harlequin BX4 from BC Bud Depot. I've had good luck with the quality of BCBD seeds so I bought 4 reg seeds. They're supposed to be 1:1 ratio of THC/CBD and anywhere from 7%-12% of each. The original intent buying reg seeds was I figured I'd pop at least one male to make some of my own seeds, these high CBD strains are expensive (around $14 per seed for these). Of course, since I wanted a male, I ended up with 4x fems! Since I didn't get any harlequin pollen I pollinated a couple of branches with some Blueberry pollen I had. Not expecting much that pollen is around 5 months old and I found anywhere after 4 months it hasn't produced as much as when it's fresher. Looks like there could be a couple of buds that will take, you can see a few hairs on the bud pics below that were pollinated, will wait and see if they took. No loss if they didn't, I'll probably buy a few more seeds down the road and see if I can pop a male for pollen.
So far I'm impressed with this strain. It's been an easy grow, no defs to speak of other than some cal-mag issues very early on (typical). They're building a good amount of bud sites. Very nice smell coming off 2 of the phenos I'll be keeping, a mix of pineapple and lemon. I'll be keeping the two phenos at the back for now, although pheno #2 looks like the best plant/bud structure and smell so that will be a definite keeper. Only strange thing with this strain is every one of the 4 phenos I pulled has some twisted/mutant looking leaves, not many but a few each, other than that they're looking healthy and happy. Another member growing out Harlequin mentioned the same mutant leaves in a post so sounds like a strain trait.
@day 25 of 12/12, they had a week of 14/10, expecting them to finish around 55 days of 12/12:
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GroErr
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Interesting, will look into this further and see if I get a chance to try it, I use the tent for breeding when available.a breeder told me his lighting secrets that 14/10 induce more sativa phenos and 10/14 induces more indica phenos .....for his seed.
something like that....it doesnt do anything to the bud just the seed.
bradburry
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i had to break his arm for his secret lol.....so its probly true lol
bradburry
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im actally not sure which way round it is though
GroErr
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Main flower room details:
I recently switched to CMH (this summer), initially one of the LEC 315w Sun Systems, then bought a second a few weeks back after seeing what they could do in flowering. I also had an extra LED panel which has the ability to turn on reds-only, with that switch on it turns on only the 630/660 nm reds. Another member had tried and seemed to think that running them early (10 minutes before the main lights) and through the lights-on cycle helped speed things up. It's supposed to "wake" them up faster. I have the panel available and like to try new things so I added that to cover the first 3x3 now budding at Day 19. It's on a separate timer and comes on 10 minutes before the main lights. Not so sure it will make much difference as CMH speeds up flowering times but it's only puling about 80w with the reds on and an accidental spectrum mix I had done in my tent worked really well, hoping just the mixed spectrum from the reds will show some improvement, maybe more trich/frost development, we'll see. The frostiest buds I've pulled so far indoor were under LED's, hoping to eventually find the right mix to complement the fast/dense flower development the CMH provides.
This run is actually 2x 3x3 runs, 11 days apart. Using a couple of different methods and mainly looking for a good indica strain/pheno, a couple of clones in there to fill the 3x3. I have a few sats going but haven't settled on an on-going indy. I'm running them side by side using both 315w LEC's, this should provide some bleeding/overlap in the middle and can cover off up to 3x7' well running them this way.
The side closest to the circulation fan at the back of the room was thrown in first and is currently at Day 19 of 12/12. There's 6x plants in 3Gal fabric pots. Buds are up and they've finished stretching more or less so it'll stay around this size, maybe a little wider over the next week or two as they shoot out some side branches. Right now I'm favouring one of the two THC Bomb pheno's, they're very similar so I've cloned both to eventually see which one is a keeper. All came in at ~16-18" tall, about 1/2 way up the trellises. They're pretty well settled now at around 22" tall. All were LST'd, FIM'd, and super-cropped.
Strains: Jack The Ripper (2) clones, THC Bomb (2) seeds, 1x Super Skunk seed, 1x Blue Dream clone. Pics @day 17
The side closet to the door is a second 3x3, currently at Day 8, pics at Day 6. They're in the stretch, only had them @14/10 for 4 days in the veg cabinet so they have a ways to go, probably another 6-8" higher and deeper. There's 3x 5Gal and 2x 2Gal fillers, just a couple of smaller clones that l didn't cull so threw them in to fill some space. Some clones and one new indica-dom seed (Blue Pyramid) in there. This 3x3 canopy will end up around 6"-8" above the first (~28"), they were vegged for an extra 11 days and in 5Gal pots coming into flowering. I put a booster platform under the two 2Gal pots to keep the canopy somewhat even. So far really liking the Blue Pyramid plant, nice structure and bid bud areas forming, purple stems and stalks, supposed to show purples in the buds later, very blueberry'sh smell.
Strains: (5Gal pots) 1x Blue Pyramid seed, 1x Blue Dream clone, 1x Jack The Ripper clone. Then 2x Pure Power Plant clones to fill in on the end.
With so many strains and 3 new one's this is not a numbers run, mainly a pheno hunt. Will be interesting to see once they finish stretching how well I can maintain the two-level canopy's. It's been relatively easy with the individual trellises but i haven't mixed this many strains yet using this trellis method. A lot of it will depend on how unruly they get, like that Blue Pyramid is going to be difficult to tame, it seems like it's stretching an inch a day right now.
Some pics from Day 17 for first 3x3, Day 6 for second:
I recently switched to CMH (this summer), initially one of the LEC 315w Sun Systems, then bought a second a few weeks back after seeing what they could do in flowering. I also had an extra LED panel which has the ability to turn on reds-only, with that switch on it turns on only the 630/660 nm reds. Another member had tried and seemed to think that running them early (10 minutes before the main lights) and through the lights-on cycle helped speed things up. It's supposed to "wake" them up faster. I have the panel available and like to try new things so I added that to cover the first 3x3 now budding at Day 19. It's on a separate timer and comes on 10 minutes before the main lights. Not so sure it will make much difference as CMH speeds up flowering times but it's only puling about 80w with the reds on and an accidental spectrum mix I had done in my tent worked really well, hoping just the mixed spectrum from the reds will show some improvement, maybe more trich/frost development, we'll see. The frostiest buds I've pulled so far indoor were under LED's, hoping to eventually find the right mix to complement the fast/dense flower development the CMH provides.
This run is actually 2x 3x3 runs, 11 days apart. Using a couple of different methods and mainly looking for a good indica strain/pheno, a couple of clones in there to fill the 3x3. I have a few sats going but haven't settled on an on-going indy. I'm running them side by side using both 315w LEC's, this should provide some bleeding/overlap in the middle and can cover off up to 3x7' well running them this way.
The side closest to the circulation fan at the back of the room was thrown in first and is currently at Day 19 of 12/12. There's 6x plants in 3Gal fabric pots. Buds are up and they've finished stretching more or less so it'll stay around this size, maybe a little wider over the next week or two as they shoot out some side branches. Right now I'm favouring one of the two THC Bomb pheno's, they're very similar so I've cloned both to eventually see which one is a keeper. All came in at ~16-18" tall, about 1/2 way up the trellises. They're pretty well settled now at around 22" tall. All were LST'd, FIM'd, and super-cropped.
Strains: Jack The Ripper (2) clones, THC Bomb (2) seeds, 1x Super Skunk seed, 1x Blue Dream clone. Pics @day 17
The side closet to the door is a second 3x3, currently at Day 8, pics at Day 6. They're in the stretch, only had them @14/10 for 4 days in the veg cabinet so they have a ways to go, probably another 6-8" higher and deeper. There's 3x 5Gal and 2x 2Gal fillers, just a couple of smaller clones that l didn't cull so threw them in to fill some space. Some clones and one new indica-dom seed (Blue Pyramid) in there. This 3x3 canopy will end up around 6"-8" above the first (~28"), they were vegged for an extra 11 days and in 5Gal pots coming into flowering. I put a booster platform under the two 2Gal pots to keep the canopy somewhat even. So far really liking the Blue Pyramid plant, nice structure and bid bud areas forming, purple stems and stalks, supposed to show purples in the buds later, very blueberry'sh smell.
Strains: (5Gal pots) 1x Blue Pyramid seed, 1x Blue Dream clone, 1x Jack The Ripper clone. Then 2x Pure Power Plant clones to fill in on the end.
With so many strains and 3 new one's this is not a numbers run, mainly a pheno hunt. Will be interesting to see once they finish stretching how well I can maintain the two-level canopy's. It's been relatively easy with the individual trellises but i haven't mixed this many strains yet using this trellis method. A lot of it will depend on how unruly they get, like that Blue Pyramid is going to be difficult to tame, it seems like it's stretching an inch a day right now.
Some pics from Day 17 for first 3x3, Day 6 for second:
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GroErr
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They're Ok I think, true colours aren't right in the larger pics, the lighting with that LED panel (reds) mixed in and the CMH on top makes them look lighter than they are. The closest colour to true colouring is in the first pic, left and towards the bottom you can see they're quite a bit darker, closer to true colour. Below is a close up of that same Blue Pyramid a few days ago in better light, it's actually quite healthy, I don't screw with nutes unless there's a significant def going on. Will be posting some details on medium/nutes when I get a chance, damn work is getting in the way - lolid give then abit more N .....but that's my preference....nice looking bushy plants there mate
A close up of the stems, nice purple stripes going on, liking this Blue Pyramid. The one's that could use some extra N are the front-right in the first pic above, they're a lighter colour and show N defs throughout flowering, this is the last run for that strain (PPP), good/fire but nothing special in taste and smell and a bit troublesome under the CMH, ran them twice and they got a lot of bleaching on the top-level leaves under the CMH, while the other strains (JTR and Blue Dream) were fine.
GroErr
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Current veg cabinet details...
I have a few seeds and clones going right now. Have about 6 weeks before I finish the first 3x3, then another 2 weeks for the second. Going to take 3-5 of the one's in 1Gal pots for the next round, depending on final sexing. Then there's a Jack The Ripper beauty coming up, recently up-potted to a 3Gal pot (far right). That JTR will veg for a while if i can manage it space-wise, plan is to eventually up-pot to a 7Gal and see what I can get from a large JTR.
I have a raised platform that I throw in there (left) to get seedlings/clones going without moving the lights. The 2 on the platform at the front are #1 & #2 Harlequin BX4 clones, 2 weeks out of the cloner and doing nicely, very easy strain to clone, took 4x clones and kept one of each pheno I'll be keeping until I finish and keep a final pheno for this Harlequin strain. I think #2 will win but we'll see when they're done in the tent in ~4 weeks. The 2 at the back of the platform are likely keepers of 2 different DIY strains from seed, depending on sex. They're Jack The Ripper x Blueberry (Blue Ripper), and Pure Power Plant x Blueberry (Blue Power plant). First of about 6 DIY strains I have a bunch of seeds from, will be running them for pheno searches. Hoping for a killer personal strain with the Blue Ripper and hoping to have injected some flavour into the decent producing PPP strain with these.
To the right on the floor are 1 of each of the same DIY strains, weren't looking the greatest pheno-wise but they were cramped in the smaller cabinet longer than they should have been, they've been looking better once they got some elbow room, we'll see if they make the cut. The 3Gal JTR is looking fantastic and shaping up to be a monster down the road. If I can keep it going and eventually into a 7Gal GeoPot this one should be an awesome stash of JTR
It was just an extra clone I couldn't cull and I'm glad I kept it now as it's looking like a winner.
Cheers
I have a few seeds and clones going right now. Have about 6 weeks before I finish the first 3x3, then another 2 weeks for the second. Going to take 3-5 of the one's in 1Gal pots for the next round, depending on final sexing. Then there's a Jack The Ripper beauty coming up, recently up-potted to a 3Gal pot (far right). That JTR will veg for a while if i can manage it space-wise, plan is to eventually up-pot to a 7Gal and see what I can get from a large JTR.
I have a raised platform that I throw in there (left) to get seedlings/clones going without moving the lights. The 2 on the platform at the front are #1 & #2 Harlequin BX4 clones, 2 weeks out of the cloner and doing nicely, very easy strain to clone, took 4x clones and kept one of each pheno I'll be keeping until I finish and keep a final pheno for this Harlequin strain. I think #2 will win but we'll see when they're done in the tent in ~4 weeks. The 2 at the back of the platform are likely keepers of 2 different DIY strains from seed, depending on sex. They're Jack The Ripper x Blueberry (Blue Ripper), and Pure Power Plant x Blueberry (Blue Power plant). First of about 6 DIY strains I have a bunch of seeds from, will be running them for pheno searches. Hoping for a killer personal strain with the Blue Ripper and hoping to have injected some flavour into the decent producing PPP strain with these.
To the right on the floor are 1 of each of the same DIY strains, weren't looking the greatest pheno-wise but they were cramped in the smaller cabinet longer than they should have been, they've been looking better once they got some elbow room, we'll see if they make the cut. The 3Gal JTR is looking fantastic and shaping up to be a monster down the road. If I can keep it going and eventually into a 7Gal GeoPot this one should be an awesome stash of JTR
It was just an extra clone I couldn't cull and I'm glad I kept it now as it's looking like a winner. Cheers
ayr0n
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Lol everytime I read your thread title I hear Garth Brooks singing it
And the Groerrr Grooooows...
Looking good in there - how long have you been running the JTR strain? Seems like it's always in your lineup. Must be some good smoke. I'm really digging the bamboo fence things - looks like they'd really help w/ training..
Fucking bradberry.... -.-
Looking good in there - how long have you been running the JTR strain? Seems like it's always in your lineup. Must be some good smoke. I'm really digging the bamboo fence things - looks like they'd really help w/ training..
Fucking bradberry.... -.-
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GroErr
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lol, not a Garth Brooks (my gf is though) fan but I see the connection
Was throwing around different titles but stuck with the double entendre, fuck people up when they're high - lolThat's about 6th/7th a generation clone, it's a good pheno, fire, great taste/smell and smooooth when cured. The Blue Dream I just pulled is good, close on smell/taste, smooth even before a proper cure, but definitely not as potent I'd say 3-4 hits for the Blue Dream, 2 or less for JTR, that's why you see it in pretty well every grow. It's a bitch giving up a good pheno so unless something replaces it, it'll be around for a while
Love those bamboo trellises, wish I had bought a few more, they're seasonal in the dollar store, should be good for the winter though, can't fit many more plants than what I have in there. Have one pair set aside for that JTR in the veg cabinet. Great for training, and later when the colas start to do the lean they're handy as well
Cheers.