giving defoliation during flower a try

Cannasutraorganics

Cannasutraorganics

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ayr0n said:
That comparison is invalid. More like buying an 1000w hortilux bulb vs. all the pieces involved in the production of a 1000w bulb and then you have to assemble it yourself but you paid more for the pieces than buying the assembled/mfg'd bulb :dunce:

Oh shit now I believe you
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No you're wrong. His analysis was corect. But to use yours would be he bought the expensive top tier hortilux blue and you bought the cheap build your own kit. But just dumped it in a box and thought that's how it works. Or something like that.
 
Cannasutraorganics

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WHODAT@THADOR said:
Im tellin ya I MYSELF have never had problem's w/ DG sorry if I did I would be inclined to agree w/ you ....I have no problem educating myself with this so if you can explain to me what makes your(Lets use) Magnesium for example different then some other companie's I am inclined to hear it? What on a molecular level makes these companies different .... Because I do not agree that magnesium out of the ground or introduced organically is any better then magnesium created in a lab if they have identical structure.
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I can tell you the difference. But you won't agree because your stuck in your own narrative. The size of the mineral being introduced to the plant. Many make it too large for the plant to use. Look at package and it should tell you water soluble and non soluble. Water soluble can be up taken and used by the plant. The rest has to be decomposed to be broken down till the plant can use. Or attach a chelate and it allows the plant to use the mineral at a lager size. Now the chelate stays in the plant and you can taste it in the smoke. Can't cure it away. Many people think those taste are in all weed. They aren't . In my pipe you taste all the bad.
 
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pk_boosted2 said:
Just like when i began i thought GH and botanicare were awesome they werebest products i ever used until i found canna and perfected runs using their nutrients then i thought things cudnt get any better until i used AN and my yield increased when i didnt think it was possible. Proof isnin the pudding they r the number nutrient in the world for that reason and esp in north america, noone comes close, many try to copy and mimic their products and they cant. Same goes for canna boost everyone wants to find out whats in it and duplicate it and noone has even come close. One of best bloom enhancers period.
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I want to try Golden Tree. Supposed to be like BioBoost and Rhizo all in one. Cost less and you use less.
 
WHODAT@THADOR

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Cannasutraorganics said:
I can tell you the difference. But you won't agree because your stuck in your own narrative. The size of the mineral being introduced to the plant. Many make it too large for the plant to use. Look at package and it should tell you water soluble and non soluble. Water soluble can be up taken and used by the plant. The rest has to be decomposed to be broken down till the plant can use. Or attach a chelate and it allows the plant to use the mineral at a lager size. Now the chelate stays in the plant and you can taste it in the smoke. Can't cure it away. Many people think those taste are in all weed. They aren't . In my pipe you taste all the bad.
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Cannasutraorganics said:
I can tell you the difference. But you won't agree because your stuck in your own narrative. The size of the mineral being introduced to the plant. Many make it too large for the plant to use. Look at package and it should tell you water soluble and non soluble. Water soluble can be up taken and used by the plant. The rest has to be decomposed to be broken down till the plant can use. Or attach a chelate and it allows the plant to use the mineral at a lager size. Now the chelate stays in the plant and you can taste it in the smoke. Can't cure it away. Many people think those taste are in all weed. They aren't . In my pipe you taste all the bad.
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Im not stuck in any narrative... Never looked at my bud after I smoked it and said damn this shit taste's like it was grown with a chelated nute solution that doesn't have to be flushed...Think Im goin back to soil after this run
https://vutra.org/threads/itense-study-of-nutrients-and-additives-for-cannabis.9355/
 
propertyoftheUS

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There is way more to it than mineral particle size. I'm not saying AN isn't a superior product in comparison to a lot of others out there, but the reason their product works well is the ratio of all the micros, macros, and all the other minerals and vitamins and hormones they use in their products. But that's not to say you can't duplicate their products for pennies on the dollar. BALANCE. That's the name of the horticulture game. another belief of mine is that your money is better spent on lighting and enviroment than nutrients. But if you have an endless budget by all means buy the best premixed nutes out there and save yourself the headache of trying to get a balanced nute program that is Taylor made to individual strains. Peace y'all, I'm heading back to roughnecking for the next two weeks.<< secondary income lol j/k
 
Cannasutraorganics

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WHODAT@THADOR said:
Im not stuck in any narrative... Never looked at my bud after I smoked it and said damn this shit taste's like it was grown with a chelated nute solution that doesn't have to be flushed...Think Im goin back to soil after this run
https://vutra.org/threads/itense-study-of-nutrients-and-additives-for-cannabis.9355/
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The issue is your understanding of what tastes to associate to what. I'm not saying it's not good compared to others. I've smoked others weed that they sprayed with avid in week three of bud. They couldn't taste or feel the avid, I took one hit and as I let it out, projectile vomit. The taste isn't that bad but not supposed to be in our bodies. Different chelates leave different tastes. Some give you a headache. Some make your throat burn. And you can't rinse away chelates. You can allow some to strip away but not all.
 
BROBIE

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Cannasutraorganics said:
The issue is your understanding of what tastes to associate to what. I'm not saying it's not good compared to others. I've smoked others weed that they sprayed with avid in week three of bud. They couldn't taste or feel the avid, I took one hit and as I let it out, projectile vomit. The taste isn't that bad but not supposed to be in our bodies. Different chelates leave different tastes. Some give you a headache. Some make your throat burn. And you can't rinse away chelates. You can allow some to strip away but not all.
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Where are you getting that? Describe the different chelates and their corresponding tastes. I know of one, and that is chlorophyll, but this is a first. Have any links and such? Thanks
 
Aeroknow

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Cannasutraorganics said:
I can tell you the difference. But you won't agree because your stuck in your own narrative. The size of the mineral being introduced to the plant. Many make it too large for the plant to use. Look at package and it should tell you water soluble and non soluble. Water soluble can be up taken and used by the plant. The rest has to be decomposed to be broken down till the plant can use. Or attach a chelate and it allows the plant to use the mineral at a lager size. Now the chelate stays in the plant and you can taste it in the smoke. Can't cure it away. Many people think those taste are in all weed. They aren't . In my pipe you taste all the bad.
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Ahhhhh! No wonder why AN is no good. They push amino acids(a chelate):-D

I've never, ever, heard of chelates affecting taste. New one to me.
I've messed around trying to add more chelation, mainly in the form of fulvic acid, to synthetics. I can't say it helped yield, but I'm pretty sure that it doesn't affect taste.

Btw, if I took a hit from someones bud, and THEN they tell me that they sprayed avid
@ week 3 in flower-----that mother fucker would be
Shitting out his teeth the following day. Just saying.
 
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