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Would you consider buying a VERO after reading through some of the posts?


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AquariusPanta

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Aaaaah... I feel so excited!
@AquariusPanta - what you told about "cat's meow's?"

Dude told me if i need smth in future, easy, to give note.


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Haha, who would have guessed you were accompanied with a cat ?!

I'm digging those connectors, although I like the fumes that solder gives off - they tend to get me stoned.

(I'm totally not being serious about huffing toxic fumes)
 

alesh

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Those 3500K's should be 'the cat's meow'. I can't wait to see them in action!



I was reading something recently about using aluminum wires for electricity. The story basically condemned the use of both copper and aluminum wiring in households as it has something to do with the way aluminum and copper expand differently when heated. I think the problem has since been addressed but who knows, I'm certainly no trained electrician!
Aluminum wires cannot actually be used in the country I live in (applies only to newly built houses). Dunno if it applies to the whole EU. The reason is that alu wires tend to loose/even "crack" from screw terminals. This causes high contact resistance which can lead to malfunction and even a fire.
 

uzerneims

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But 30centimeters x 30centimers = 900 square centimeters wich is - one square foot...
If i have 70x45cm place, so itis - 2800squarecentimeters, or 3.01square foot...
So i have 105W of power for that - 105/3.01 = 34,8W for square/ft

i think this is safe...
 

alesh

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Yes
But 30centimeters x 30centimers = 900 square centimeters wich is - one square foot...
If i have 70x45cm place, so itis - 2800squarecentimeters, or 3.01square foot...
So i have 105W of power for that - 105/3.01 = 34,8W for square/ft

i think this is safe...
Yes, 30x30cm is 900 cm^2 which is almost 1 sqft.
70x45cm is 3150cm^2 which is almost 3.4 sqft.
And 60x60cm is 3600cm^2 which is about 4 sqft (3.875).

If you have 105W of power then 70x45cm is 31W/sqft and 60x60cm is 27W/sqft. Not very much but in an acceptable range.
 

uzerneims

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Yes

Yes, 30x30cm is 900 cm^2 which is almost 1 sqft.
70x45cm is 3150cm^2 which is almost 3.4 sqft.
And 60x60cm is 3600cm^2 which is about 4 sqft (3.875).

If you have 105W of power then 70x45cm is 31W/sqft and 60x60cm is 27W/sqft. Not very much but in an acceptable range.
Yes, afaik, it should be ok, wor small grow - 30W/sqft is really acceptable, @SomeGuy went really more wats than this, and got worse results than those who when with less wattage per sqft.
 

AquariusPanta

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Yes, afaik, it should be ok, wor small grow - 30W/sqft is really acceptable, @SomeGuy went really more wats than this, and got worse results than those who when with less wattage per sqft.
I don't know which grow your basing this off, as I haven't seen much activity from him lately. Maybe he moved into a different forum category :-?.

I do recall the one he had a few months ago, which I followed and learned A BUNCH from. The only issue I now see with that setup of his was that he used no reflectors or lenses, so the Vero 18 COBs were emitting at the standard 120 degrees (not ideal for growing in my book), and the COBs were many feet away from the canopies. I don't believe he was running his COBs very hard either, like 1400mA I wanna guess? (So each COB was emitting ~38W)

Anyways, the whole watts per square feet/yard/meter deal is fine and dandy but the grower has to take into account that we're living in a three dimensional world, where volume, not area, takes prominent precedence among the things that what we do. That being said, you could have 100W/ft.^2 but if the light(s) is/are 4 feet above canopy, your going to have poor results - atleast in his scenario.

I could be off my rocker with this claim but I'm just using my newly found experience with the VERO 18 series. Feel free to correct me or add to the conversation if you like.:peace:
 

uzerneims

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I don't know which grow your basing this off, as I haven't seen much activity from him lately. Maybe he moved into a different forum category :-?.

I do recall the one he had a few months ago, which I followed and learned A BUNCH from. The only issue I now see with that setup of his was that he used no reflectors or lenses, so the Vero 18 COBs were emitting at the standard 120 degrees (not ideal for growing in my book), and the COBs were many feet away from the canopies. I don't believe he was running his COBs very hard either, like 1400mA I wanna guess? (So each COB was emitting ~38W)

Anyways, the whole watts per square feet/yard/meter deal is fine and dandy but the grower has to take into account that we're living in a three dimensional world, where volume, not area, takes prominent precedence among the things that what we do. That being said, you could have 100W/ft.^2 but if the light(s) is/are 4 feet above canopy, your going to have poor results - atleast in his scenario.

I could be off my rocker with this claim but I'm just using my newly found experience with the VERO 18 series. Feel free to correct me or add to the conversation if you like.:peace:
Yeah, the same one, where he harvested 0.5g/pW...
So yeah, running them 1.4 needs some high, but same as hps, needs to be little higher... it's cool...
I believe in V29, so i think they will grow successfull weed for me, hope better than 70WHPS + CFL's :)
 

AquariusPanta

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Yeah, the same one, where he harvested 0.5g/pW...
So yeah, running them 1.4 needs some high, but same as hps, needs to be little higher... it's cool...
I believe in V29, so i think they will grow successfull weed for me, hope better than 70WHPS + CFL's :)
I'm running my VERO 18's at ~1050mA and I've had them as far away as 3" from canopy. This, unfortunately, presented a little bleaching on the tips of two heads. I spaced out the COBS and the tallest heads to around 5" afterwards and never again had any bleaching issues.

Normally, I'd have all my lights, COBS and all, around 10" away from any heads but I've had one helluva rodeo with this last lady (photos in my Crown's link) while using a 5FT tall tent. She grew to a height of ~12inches by the end of her vegetation period and by the end of the second week of budding, had the main head at a height of around 38inches! Anyways, just adding to my case.

My point, you shouldn't have VERO 18's (when running under 1400mA) any farther than 2FT away from canopies without reflectors or lenses to focus the spread of PAR. I'm sure there are exceptions to this claim, but in this case SG could have lowered his lights in order to increase overall outcome.
 
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Greengenes707

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I don't know which grow your basing this off, as I haven't seen much activity from him lately. Maybe he moved into a different forum category :-?.

I do recall the one he had a few months ago, which I followed and learned A BUNCH from. The only issue I now see with that setup of his was that he used no reflectors or lenses, so the Vero 18 COBs were emitting at the standard 120 degrees (not ideal for growing in my book), and the COBs were many feet away from the canopies. I don't believe he was running his COBs very hard either, like 1400mA I wanna guess? (So each COB was emitting ~38W)

Anyways, the whole watts per square feet/yard/meter deal is fine and dandy but the grower has to take into account that we're living in a three dimensional world, where volume, not area, takes prominent precedence among the things that what we do. That being said, you could have 100W/ft.^2 but if the light(s) is/are 4 feet above canopy, your going to have poor results - atleast in his scenario.

I could be off my rocker with this claim but I'm just using my newly found experience with the VERO 18 series. Feel free to correct me or add to the conversation if you like.:peace:
It doesn't really have to do with the height of the lights. He was I a very reflective environment and they weren't that high. You touched on the volume aspect but not the right factor(s). His yield(not problem) came from his plant size. They were short and no matter how good the tops were their was little to nothing underneath.
When you talking general about capabilities we should be talking with out height restrictions...and any situation that has a restriction is special/an exception. And when we leave out the special low hieght situations...surface area is a fine way to compare. Unless side lightin comes into play...there will be a limit to plant hieght vs light penetration.
So going by the golden standard(hps)...50grams per sqft(still under 1g/w with hps) is what to shoot for. What ever wattage you think it would get oneself to that yield is why needs to be used. And for me and my abilities(1.2g/w), I think 40w/sqft and would get me to te 2lb/light mark assuming the grow is done to its full potential(no restrictions)
 

AquariusPanta

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It doesn't really have to do with the height of the lights. He was I a very reflective environment and they weren't that high. You touched on the volume aspect but not the right factor(s). His yield(not problem) came from his plant size. They were short and no matter how good the tops were their was little to nothing underneath.
When you talking general about capabilities we should be talking with out height restrictions...and any situation that has a restriction is special/an exception. And when we leave out the special low hieght situations...surface area is a fine way to compare. Unless side lightin comes into play...there will be a limit to plant hieght vs light penetration.
So going by the golden standard(hps)...50grams per sqft(still under 1g/w with hps) is what to shoot for. What ever wattage you think it would get oneself to that yield is why needs to be used. And for me and my abilities(1.2g/w), I think 40w/sqft and would get me to te 2lb/light mark assuming the grow is done to its full potential(no restrictions)
I agree with you that there are multiple exceptions on growing your plant to it's fullest potential. I've mounted lights to the ceiling (~10FT) before and I've had lights on chains/strings draped down closer to the canopy (Within 2FT from seedling/plant). Without factoring quality of LEDs and quantity, such as W/ft/^2, it's clear that bringing the light source TO your plant is much more lucrative than having your plant reaching for the ceiling (I'm sure your on the same page with me on that one).

(If I've missed your point or wandered off track, please redirect me)

Do you believe in using supplemental side lighting? I ask because you come off as housing many years of indoor growing experience and I enjoy hearing different beliefs.
 

SomeGuy

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Ap. My lights were not too high. Gg touched on it. Its really was too much light per sqft. I think light sickness at the start slowed my progress down. My current round is better but not scrogging.
Also, I have more area to start w the lights up high and move them down gradually.

FYI. I run my LEDs pretty close compared to others. My low yield came because of excess watts In a space to small. IMO no more than 35/40w per swft


Pic of current led tent. 4*4
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