Doesnt matter when you did it RM, veg or flower. UB's stance is removing leaves at any stage is wrong and he has belittled people for doing it. This is not about the pulling of leaves its about how UB's ego takes over when dealing with newbs and others on this site. I had promised myself not to get caught up in this but it's getting to be a little much. Constantly putting the site down, yet here every day, constantly saying how much better he is than others when it comes to growing. Not really offering anything solid here other than his overgrown ego. You know this as well, just look to the past. I commend you for putting your ego behind this time around and you must notice the change. More solid discussion, more ideals freely given and accepted. Dudnt want to get caught up in the drama. Just want to get this site back to the sharing of, and discussing ideals, even the far fetched and unproven ones. UB offers nothing other than basic, time proven methods and when people try other methods that he (and others) disagree with they are dragged through the coals. Besides he's giving old people like myself a bad rap with his crankiness. I really think he should just move on and let people here get on with trying new things without worrying about the attacks which are surely to follow.