Curing, a myth perpetuated by bad growers

[Mt Doo]

One word. Mold.

But has it been tried? Mold cab happen with hang drying and "curing" if not done properly but if the goal is to pull out moisture then why not go straight to jar?

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[hellmutt bones]

When ever i go to my home country all they do is chop it down and smoke it..
there used to it but to me it was quite harsh i aske them if they knew about curing and they laughed in my face and then they jumped in the back of a 1950s ford truck and told me they where gonna go crusing and to pic up some girls...lol

 

[RM3]

But has it been tried? Mold cab happen with hang drying and "curing" if not done properly but if the goal is to pull out moisture then why not go straight to jar?

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Yeppers tried it years ago by accident, it is different to say the least, would not do it on purpose

 

[Ace Yonder]

But has it been tried? Mold cab happen with hang drying and "curing" if not done properly but if the goal is to pull out moisture then why not go straight to jar?

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The jar is to hold moisture in, not pull it out. That's why you jar it after drying. Burping removes excess moisture from the jar but it's no substitute for drying

 

[MuckyDucky]

SO question. Has anybody tried to just put in directly into jars? I mean since its supposed to pull out moisture wouldnt it do that anyway? I mean instead of drying and curing wouldnt this just do both jobs at once?

Putting it in jars doesn't pull out the moisture, it equalizes the moisture content in the buds

But has it been tried? Mold cab happen with hang drying and "curing" if not done properly but if the goal is to pull out moisture then why not go straight to jar?

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Can you live without breathing?? How do you know? Have you tried? Do it! It's you're idea. You test it!

But has it been tried? Mold cab happen with hang drying and "curing" if not done properly but if the goal is to pull out moisture then why not go straight to jar?

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Since you are the one questioning you should do the test. You do it, then let us know the outcome.

 

[Captain Greenbeard]

Hey MuckyDuck! Why are you so hostile? Isn't this forum for asking questions? If you're such an expert on everything about drying and curing then why don't you just answer the questions instead of being such a dick? Try keep things on point instead of attacking people who's questions you don't like.

 

[Mt Doo]

Hey MuckyDuck! Why are you so hostile? Isn't this forum for asking questions? If you're such an expert on everything about drying and curing then why don't you just answer the questions instead of being such a dick? Try keep things on point instead of attacking people who's questions you don't like.

Right lol. I was a logical question. If drying is to remove moisture and "curing" is to remove the rest of the inner moisture then why not go straight to jar. Maybe im missing the reason they are different processes or maybe no one ever took the time to actually define the differences in the professes. And as far as breathing im good I dont believe anyone is going to smoke me after so it would defeat the purpose of the test.

 

[Mt Doo]

Putting it in jars doesn't pull out the moisture, it equalizes the moisture content in the buds

If it equalizes it then why open to let the extra escape? You do it to regulate it I understand that but you "burp" the jar to remove extra moisture.

 

[MuckyDucky]

If it equalizes it then why open to let the extra escape? You do it to regulate it I understand that but you "burp" the jar to remove extra moisture.

I'm sure you will figure it out if you think about it for a while.... when you burp you are lowering the humidity in the jar... and the reason you are lowing the humidiy is because when you burp you are replacing some of the humid air in the jar

 

[Mt Doo]

I'm sure you will figure it out if you think about it for a while.... when you burp you are lowering the humidity in the jar... and the reason you are lowing the humidiy is because when you burp you are replacing some of the humid air in the jar

Correct but the humidity goes UP because of the removed moisture in the buds. You burp to remove the access moisture stabilizing the humidity, when you dry you pull the moisture out of the bud but there is no need to burp because it's not trapped. This is how i understand the process and this is how you continually explain the process as well so maybe I'm listening to the wrong person to get a better understanding of these processes, maybe we both need to seek out a seasoned Gardner to correct info instead of exchanging knowledge from one noob to another.

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[Captain Greenbeard]

Everyone seem quite focused on the removal of moisture i.e. drying but shouldn't there be some fermentation process involved as well?

 

[MuckyDucky]

Correct but the humidity goes UP because of the removed moisture in the buds. You burp to remove the access moisture stabilizing the humidity, when you dry you pull the moisture out of the bud but there is no need to burp because it's not trapped. This is how i understand the process and this is how you continually explain the process as well so maybe I'm listening to the wrong person to get a better understanding of these processes, maybe we both need to seek out a seasoned Gardner to correct info instead of exchanging knowledge from one noob to another.

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I'm not a noob but yes you need to find someone who will agree with you since you don't listen or appear to understand.

 

[MuckyDucky]

Everyone seem quite focused on the removal of moisture i.e. drying but shouldn't there be some fermentation process involved as well?

Good question. I don't think it would be called fermentation though... it's called curing because you are slowly changing the plant structure when you cure. I believe with fermentation you have to add something, like mold and nobody wants mold in their weed!

With curing you slowly pull the humidity down to 60% or so. This makes a change in texture and flavor. If you just took a nug and set it it a hot dry place it would get crispy on the outside and tend to break apart when you handle it.

 

[Captain Greenbeard]

I have been trying to understand fermentation of cannabis and there apparently is some bacteria that is responsible. Most forums that discuss this mention anaerobic bacteria (living without air) which would then suggest that this is the process that happens in the masonry jars after you stop burping and perhaps why people report changes in color and taste when curing longer periods of time. The guys looking for more hard core fermentation processes compress their buds, either inside a corn husk/leaf that they tie up with strings or in bamboo pipes and then subject to heat, either by burying them in warm sand, earth or just place in a warm area (about 30 degrees celsius).

 

[Captain Greenbeard]

This guy called "Rinse" even does it with a cold fermentation:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=247378

 

[RM3]

I have been trying to understand fermentation of cannabis and there apparently is some bacteria that is responsible. Most forums that discuss this mention anaerobic bacteria (living without air) which would then suggest that this is the process that happens in the masonry jars after you stop burping and perhaps why people report changes in color and taste when curing longer periods of time. The guys looking for more hard core fermentation processes compress their buds, either inside a corn husk/leaf that they tie up with strings or in bamboo pipes and then subject to heat, either by burying them in warm sand, earth or just place in a warm area (about 30 degrees celsius).

I do it in a chamber I invented, in compost piles , My ditty on fermentation is in my old Calling All NooBs Thread

 

[MuckyDucky]

I do it in a chamber I invented, in compost piles , My ditty on fermentation is in my old Calling All NooBs Thread

I fermented some beans one time, but not on purpose.

 

[plumsmooth]

Now we also know that the Phenolayted Volatile Sulfur Compounds Peak at 10 Days. And then fades. Those amazing fresh terpenes explding when you open the bag. How long does that really last. It does not last 6 Months sorry. I will take the medicinally fresh Weed any day over some so-called long Cured weed. The freshness of the compounds medicinally supersedes any benefit from storage especially when Vaping and not fully combusting?. Thanks for your time...

 

[secretmicrogrow420]

This is not a theory. THis idea that a cure can make your flowers better to the point waiting to smoke is pure poppycock. Fresh is better. I would love to have the proponents and their "cured" herb to have them tested for terpene levels before and after to show you all the degradation of cannabiniods and terpenoids will be of noticeable levels.
Bottom line is when you have done a mediocre job of growing and flowering these plants you simply get mediocre finished products. THe real key to producing good-great flowers is to make sure you have fed the plants a balanced nutrient. In a ration of 3-2-4 fed throughout flower. Metabolizing the salts is why so many people flush. to make sure all the added phosphorous is utilized.

I know i an going to hear Hhow everyone swears their weed gets better. Doubt it.

peace

str8 up damn homie i bet you grow some str8 fire!

 

[fanya]

Now we also know that the Phenolayted Volatile Sulfur Compounds Peak at 10 Days. And then fades. Those amazing fresh terpenes explding when you open the bag. How long does that really last. It does not last 6 Months sorry. I will take the medicinally fresh Weed any day over some so-called long Cured weed. The freshness of the compounds medicinally supersedes any benefit from storage especially when Vaping and not fully combusting?. Thanks for your time...

Cool 10 year thread bump