The religion of peace

[UncleBuck]

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/

you can now strap on your hip waders and slog through it yourself.

in between the bad prose, failed poetry and declarations of divinity, it is chock-block full of insistence that ALL THE WORLD must bow to their god, violence is perfectly acceptable against "mischief makers" (and then goes on to define "mischief makers" as all unbelievers) and of course, declarations that if you disagree with even one word of this screed, you are an apostate/enemy of islam, and should be killed.

theres even some people who are irredeemable and can never be forgiven, instead they must be destroyed root and branch, like polytheists (which includes hindus, buddhists, taoists, confucians, and depending on their mood, christians just to name a few) atheists, ancestor worshipers, idolators (again thats a big list that includes christians or not, depending on their whim), and those who reject islam the first time it is "offered"

moslem apologists can say whatever they wish, but the book is clear;
become moslem or you will be either a slave a dhimmi or a corpse, and this includes the WHOLE world.
"Jihad" is mandatory. if you arent supporting the "Jihad" in some way, youre committing the "sin of shirk"
some people are simply damned and a must be exterminated (the list varies depending on who is shouting at the moment)
every word in the koran is 100% true and non-optional
if you dont like some parts, tough noogies. obey or be an apostate. (interpretations vary of course so anyone can be declared apostate by other sects)
and when all the world has become properly moslem (of YOUR sect of course) then we will have peace.



and of course, the jews.
sure theres lots of "jews are people of the book" slogans in there, but the oddities of the koran confuse the issue.
later verses in the koran can supersede earlier "revelations", yet the book is not arraigned chronologically.

the koran's chapters are arraigned from longest to shortest, with earlier "revelations" coming both before and after later ones.
who can decide whether jews are "people of the book" or not?

the Council of Experts does that in shia, and the imams do it in sunni islam.
both agree however that the "people of the book" revelations are older (and thus superseded) by the less apologia friendly declarations like:

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

so yeah.

and then theres the Hadith...
dont get me started.

in the end, the moderate moslems who dont want to start shit, and arent scheming to subjugate the world by fire and sword, are "apostates" in the eyes of the fundamentalists, and being an apostate is almost as bad as being a polytheist or an idolator, or (depending on whether they are talking to a western or moslem audience...) being a hateful unforgivable, eternally condemned JEW

fuck that shit.

you're a known white supremacist.

people would be wasting their time to read anything that you say.

 

[Dr Kynes]

They get pissed off about cartoons because they are told to get pissed off about cartoons. If your illiterate and your religous leader tells you the Quran says to kill those who create cartoons. How you going to find out for yourself?

it's not just illiterate uneducated rubes who do shit like this.

the glasgow intl airport attack was carried out by a PHYSICIAN.

OBL himslef held a masters in engineering.

illiteracy and ignorance may help fundamentalist islam spread, but it remains a poison, no matter how educated the believer is.

 

[UncleBuck]

you side with Muslims against Chratians and I take no sides re: religion

what a fucking joke.

this is the response you got to your silly little question, straight from a devout muslim himself.

actually most people including some Muslims are wrong when they they think Jihad means holy war...it actually means to struggle or strive for the sake of God. The notion that Islam must conquer the world by the sword just isn't found in the texts, but its a notion that served its purpose many times in the past by the Crusaders for example as well as today's Muslim extremists. Therefore yes there is a place for all different peoples on earth & no-one has the right to force or coerce others into following a particular religion including Islam. Take it easy buddy

 

[Dr Kynes]

you're a known white supremacist.

people would be wasting their time to read anything that you say.

since it has already been demonstrated that you are far more bigoted and racist than myself, your words are thus more irrelevant than mine.

i hope you step on a lego.

 

[reddan1981]

The difference with Islam and the Koran, the Koran is not open to scrutiny. It is not open to individual interpretation. Unfortunately Dr Kynes is correct in his synopsis, however there are millions of Muslims that have adjusted to living socially amongst any faith (or those with none).

 

[Dr Kynes]

The difference with Islam and the Koran, the Koran is not open to scrutiny. It is not open to individual interpretation. Unfortunately Dr Kynes is correct in his synopsis, however there are millions of Muslims that have adjusted to living socially amongst any faith (or those with none).

and those moderate moslems are "apostates" to the fundamentalists.

when the fundamentalists take over control of a nation, the moderate moslems either conform or die with everybody else.

the Talibs are a fine example.

 

[reddan1981]

I didn't want to add that but yes. However, I don't believe they have the willing manpower. This could just be contrived to pave way for other objectives?

 

[ChesusRice]

How kind of you to conclude death by incineration was appropriate for he and his children.

Unlike your family.
They had working smoke alarms and plenty of opportunity to get out

 

[reddan1981]

If it can be used positively, at least it is opening debate, it is getting taboo subjects brought into the open. It probably will press on until resolution. I think it is highlighting LONG overdue subjects like prejudices and out dated system's of believe, certain monopolies and our whole failure to modernize intellectually, if that sounds coherent?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

it's not just illiterate uneducated rubes who do shit like this.

the glasgow intl airport attack was carried out by a PHYSICIAN.

OBL himslef held a masters in engineering.

illiteracy and ignorance may help fundamentalist islam spread, but it remains a poison, no matter how educated the believer is.

We had three patients that came in by blackhawk, they were all detainees. They had been found by an attack chopper on a patrol at night on the northern section of MSR Tampa. A group of men appeared to be burying an IED in a median and overpass, the chopper verified what they suspected. The group of men buried artillery shells and explosives, the chopper requested to fire. Permission was granted, they lit up the targets and verified as dead or disabled. A few hours later when a MTT ran by they were to verify on the ground that the targets has been killed, they found three of them alive, as the combat support hospital in all of northern Iraq we received the patients. For the next two months they stayed with us until they fully recovered and we could hand them over to the Iraqis.

One had studied at a UK university, he had a masters in mathematics. Another was an engineer and spoke English well when he was high on morphine.

The mathematics guy had about a third of his skull missing, I called him Head Guy. Head Guy was a smart mother fucker. For two weeks he pretended to be far worse off with his neurological symptoms, hoping that some of us would fall for it. His eyes looked far too intelligent still, he followed you around the ward. Creepy dude. Some people were sometimes loose with their speech around him. He pretended he couldn't talk, even pretended he was simple for a few days. He could talk from day three, he had been attempting to plan escape.

I had a few deep conversations with the engineer, needed money he claimed. Took the job burying for a local group. I never trusted that. It's hard to trust someone who days ago was trying to blow up your brothers and sisters. Maybe he really was badly off. Maybe he wears a good watch like Al Baghdaddi does now.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

Thank you for your service.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Thank you for your service.

Thanks for yours, keeping RIU clean and tidy is a job indeed.

 

[Doer]

what a fucking joke.

this is the response you got to your silly little question, straight from a devout muslim himself.

Go back and see that it was you that prompted him.

Try to remember the Chechen and the Saudi we discuss this with, the year before.
Saudi tap danced and faded, never did answer. The Chech and I agreed to set it aside
for the battlefield, and he boldly proclaimed I was correct.

Do also remember my friend Moazam, who was at FBI, in IT and then worked with me.
I told his response several times. <shug> If Allah wills it.

Stop sucking your own drool and realize you are lying.

 

[skunkd0c]

We have been fighting Sunni jihad for over 200 years.

What a bobble-head.

Stop sucking your own drool and realize you are lying.

Nice to see you back on form again

 

[Jimdamick]

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/

you can now strap on your hip waders and slog through it yourself.

in between the bad prose, failed poetry and declarations of divinity, it is chock-block full of insistence that ALL THE WORLD must bow to their god, violence is perfectly acceptable against "mischief makers" (and then goes on to define "mischief makers" as all unbelievers) and of course, declarations that if you disagree with even one word of this screed, you are an apostate/enemy of islam, and should be killed.

theres even some people who are irredeemable and can never be forgiven, instead they must be destroyed root and branch, like polytheists (which includes hindus, buddhists, taoists, confucians, and depending on their mood, christians just to name a few) atheists, ancestor worshipers, idolators (again thats a big list that includes christians or not, depending on their whim), and those who reject islam the first time it is "offered"

moslem apologists can say whatever they wish, but the book is clear;
become moslem or you will be either a slave a dhimmi or a corpse, and this includes the WHOLE world.
"Jihad" is mandatory. if you arent supporting the "Jihad" in some way, youre committing the "sin of shirk"
some people are simply damned and a must be exterminated (the list varies depending on who is shouting at the moment)
every word in the koran is 100% true and non-optional
if you dont like some parts, tough noogies. obey or be an apostate. (interpretations vary of course so anyone can be declared apostate by other sects)
and when all the world has become properly moslem (of YOUR sect of course) then we will have peace.



and of course, the jews.
sure theres lots of "jews are people of the book" slogans in there, but the oddities of the koran confuse the issue.
later verses in the koran can supersede earlier "revelations", yet the book is not arraigned chronologically.

the koran's chapters are arraigned from longest to shortest, with earlier "revelations" coming both before and after later ones.
who can decide whether jews are "people of the book" or not?

the Council of Experts does that in shia, and the imams do it in sunni islam.
both agree however that the "people of the book" revelations are older (and thus superseded) by the less apologia friendly declarations like:

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

so yeah.

and then theres the Hadith...
dont get me started.

in the end, the moderate moslems who dont want to start shit, and arent scheming to subjugate the world by fire and sword, are "apostates" in the eyes of the fundamentalists, and being an apostate is almost as bad as being a polytheist or an idolator, or (depending on whether they are talking to a western or moslem audience...) being a hateful unforgivable, eternally condemned JEW

fuck that shit.

What the fuck do the Jews have to do with Paris, besides being hated by Muslims in general? Does the Koran say that killing a Jew gives you extra points? I don't think so

 

[Hookabelly]

You say you asked what I said? Did you really?

Describe specifics. What do they say when asked, "Can Islam peacefully co-exist, or must Allah only be recognized?"

Have you asked? Really?

No, I didn't really ask any hard hitting questions. Mostly we just talked about purses and Oprah….. :-/

@Doer When I answered your question I was addressing that issue: "Do you believe that Islam is the only way to heaven and all others are infidels and should be wiped out?" Or "Do you then believe that Allah is the only true God?" And "Can all religions exist here on earth peacefully according to your faith?" and many other different forms of the same basic question. Does that clarify?

The Protestants are very confused, also. If you don't believe the Bible? If you don't "accept Christ?"
.

What does that even mean?

And I don't accept, touchy feely. So, no I was not upset or thought anything other than what I said. You read in the emotion. I save the emotion for face to face.

Not sure what this means either. Was it in response to me apologizing for my mention of the Sony hacks and the Paris shootings as a new trend in terrorism?

 

[londonfog]

you're a known white supremacist.

people would be wasting their time to read anything that you say.

When I see a post from him I keep scrolling.

 

[UncleBuck]

you are far more bigoted and racist than myself.

 

[UncleBuck]

Go back and see that it was you that prompted him....Stop sucking your own drool and realize you are lying.

jesus fucking christ, why make this so easy for me?

anyone can click on the post i quoted and see that he was directly responding to you.

any more bald-faced lies you wanna try to pass off?

 

[desert dude]

No, I didn't really ask any hard hitting questions. Mostly we just talked about purses and Oprah….. :-/

@Doer When I answered your question I was addressing that issue: "Do you believe that Islam is the only way to heaven and all others are infidels and should be wiped out?" Or "Do you then believe that Allah is the only true God?" And "Can all religions exist here on earth peacefully according to your faith?" and many other different forms of the same basic question. Does that clarify?





What does that even mean?




Not sure what this means either. Was it in response to me apologizing for my mention of the Sony hacks and the Paris shootings as a new trend in terrorism?

Doer is inscrutable to the average Joe. One needs enlightenment, and some pixie dust on the shoulder, to decipher his wisdom. But he is our inscrutable philosopher, so we at RIU love him.