Hypocrisy Thy Name Is Union - Unions Demand Exemption From LA's $15 Minimum Wage

nitro harley

nitro harley

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panhead said:
Christians cover up kiddy diddling .

As opposed to the time honored & muslim state sponsored molestation of children as young as one year old , the father is allowed to contractually sell his female child for sexual servitude for a single day to any man he pleases , its called day marrige , its an islamic tradition & state approved .

Christianity is a barbaric religion .

As opposed to Muslim states which approve muder for all Apostates who dare denounce Islam , atleast their kind enough to imprison the apostate for the 3 days before his execution so he can repent , then recant his sin against Islam & only be imprisoned for undertermined periods of time instead of murdered .
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Hey panhead.

That is some crazy shit happening to those muslim children. wow, bummer.

I finally figured out how to post those Pan pics if you are interested. I will post them on a conversation in the inbox , let me know.
 
panhead

panhead

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TBoneJack said:
I'll tell you people a true story about unions.

I work for an engineering firm. And we once had a manufacturing floor where hourly, union people built the products we designed. Since we were once owned by a car company, our union was UAW. And they did a fine job.

Well, a few years ago, our company decided to carve out a work schedule so we could all have every other Friday off. It required employees to work 9 hours per day, Monday thru Thursday. Then we would get every other Friday off. Sounded great to all us engineers.

But the union held things up for a long time with their refusal to agree. Any guess as to why they refused to agree? Anybody? Because they INSISTED that they be paid time-and-a-half OVERTIME for working the ninth hour each day Monday thru Thursday. Yes, even though they still only worked 40 REGULAR hours per week, they thought they could finagle OVERTIME PAY into the deal. They were sadly mistaken.

That was the straw that broke the camel's back for our management trying to deal with the UAW. When the union contract was up, our company discontinued manufacturing at our facility, got rid of all the union workers, and sub-contracted our manufacturing to a non-union company in Florida.

I'll tell you some other stuff the union did. Every time they voted on something in closed-door meetings, there would naturally be some votes for and some votes against. But once the outcome of a vote was determined, the vote was secretly taken again, and everyone was then expected to vote together 100% for the already-decided outcome so the union could report a "completely united front". And they thought we didn't hear about it.

And here's another good story. Every Friday while we had the union, an hourly union employee was "rewarded" with the task of performing "surprise" walkthroughs in all the labs to make sure us engineers didn't have any coffee cups or cokes in the lab (they were "forbidden" in an electronics environment). Well, what that "inspector" didn't know was that my boss was 3 minutes ahead of him, walking through the labs to tell us to put our cups and cokes in a drawer until the "inspector weenie" came through.

And here's another one. About 15 years ago, at about 6:00PM on a regular work day, a circuit breaker tripped in one of our labs. Another engineer and I were working late against a deadline and were helpless with the circuit breaker tripped. Can anybody guess where this story is headed? Guess who were the ONLY people authorized to flip the switch on the breaker? Union people. My friend went to the union office, but they had all gone home for the day. So my friend flipped the switch, and we were able to finish our work and meet our deadline the next day. But guess what? Somehow, the union found out that my friend had flipped the breaker switch and filed a formal complaint against him, and it was messy. Very messy. And very petty of the union to do that.

Unions are good to an extent. But they have gone way overboard.
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Do you honestly think that every other friday off crap & still only working 40 hrs is a new trick only recently implemented by your company .

Its an age old trick , the next big idea corporate will have is the 10 hour a day 4 day work week so all the much loved employees can have every friday off , wait till theres a problem on the production floor & instead of the workers staying at their jobs until the line is up n running again they are sent home with zero pay , then friday is used as a make up day , every time management fucks up or there is a delay to the hourly work force all are sent home & made to work friday anyways .

After about 10 times a year ya figure out the odd hour schedules & 5/9 or 4/10 work weeks are a ruse to cut out all overtime .

Scab Construction companys have been pulling that scam on workers since the 60's .
 
Red1966

Red1966

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schuylaar said:
you're not into the military budget?..sheesh! thought that's what every rightie circle jizzes over..

it's called 'spin'..it's nothing more than spirited debate proving that those of the right are hypocrites (good debaters are two steps ahead of you, it's part of the game)..i just happen to be smart enough to leverage this valuable insight..and @Uncle Ben will be watching 'the five' again on monday spewing the same lie about the ACA that I just corrected him on..go figure!:wall:
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No, it's called lying. You made a totaly unsupported accusation proving that it is you that is the hypocrite and your "two steps" are really just more lies. Congress doesn't pay for their ACA, so your "correction" was also another lie.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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schuylaar said:
WTF? dimissed:lol: you really reach reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed..i dumped those losers lock, stock and barrel..manager didn't make to presidents that fiscal because of my resignation.:mrgreen:

he who laughs last; laughs best:lol:
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You complain you don't get enough welfare. So...........not laughing last
 
Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
a born again christian president started a war that left half a million innocent muslim civilians dead.

anything comparable to that?
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Sure there is.

A Nobel peace Prize winner oversees the world's largest prison population, calls murdering children by drone "collateral damage, when it's really murder and wants to keep putting people in jail for a plant.
 
TBoneJack

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panhead said:
Do you honestly think that every other friday off crap & still only working 40 hrs is a new trick only recently implemented by your company .
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No.

panhead said:
Its an age old trick , the next big idea corporate will have is the 10 hour a day 4 day work week so all the much loved employees can have every friday off , wait till theres a problem on the production floor & instead of the workers staying at their jobs until the line is up n running again they are sent home with zero pay , then friday is used as a make up day , every time management fucks up or there is a delay to the hourly work force all are sent home & made to work friday anyways.
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Our union people were treated very fairly. They liked their jobs. There were no dirty tricks played on them at our company. They were very competent workers, nice people, and had a real good job for many years at our company.

My beef with unions is not with the rank and file, but rather with the management. They fucked their employees out of really good jobs because they tried to finagle overtime pay from working regular hours.

I can only speak from my experience with the union at my company. And that experience is very limited. And I'm sure you're right about your experiences. I'm not saying that unions are all bad. They have their place, and have been responsible for many improvements in working conditions over the years. I just think they have gone too far in gaining power over employers in the modern era.

And that's just my opinion. I may be wrong.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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TBoneJack said:
I'll tell you people a true story about unions.

I work for an engineering firm. And we once had a manufacturing floor where hourly, union people built the products we designed. Since we were once owned by a car company, our union was UAW. And they did a fine job.

Well, a few years ago, our company decided to carve out a work schedule so we could all have every other Friday off. It required employees to work 9 hours per day, Monday thru Thursday. Then we would get every other Friday off. Sounded great to all us engineers.

But the union held things up for a long time with their refusal to agree. Any guess as to why they refused to agree? Anybody? Because they INSISTED that they be paid time-and-a-half OVERTIME for working the ninth hour each day Monday thru Thursday. Yes, even though they still only worked 40 REGULAR hours per week, they thought they could finagle OVERTIME PAY into the deal. They were sadly mistaken.

That was the straw that broke the camel's back for our management trying to deal with the UAW. When the union contract was up, our company discontinued manufacturing at our facility, got rid of all the union workers, and sub-contracted our manufacturing to a non-union company in Florida.

I'll tell you some other stuff the union did. Every time they voted on something in closed-door meetings, there would naturally be some votes for and some votes against. But once the outcome of a vote was determined, the vote was secretly taken again, and everyone was then expected to vote together 100% for the already-decided outcome so the union could report a "completely united front". And they thought we didn't hear about it.

And here's another good story. Every Friday while we had the union, an hourly union employee was "rewarded" with the task of performing "surprise" walkthroughs in all the labs to make sure us engineers didn't have any coffee cups or cokes in the lab (they were "forbidden" in an electronics environment). Well, what that "inspector" didn't know was that my boss was 3 minutes ahead of him, walking through the labs to tell us to put our cups and cokes in a drawer until the "inspector weenie" came through.

And here's another one. About 15 years ago, at about 6:00PM on a regular work day, a circuit breaker tripped in one of our labs. Another engineer and I were working late against a deadline and were helpless with the circuit breaker tripped. Can anybody guess where this story is headed? Guess who were the ONLY people authorized to flip the switch on the breaker? Union people. My friend went to the union office, but they had all gone home for the day. So my friend flipped the switch, and we were able to finish our work and meet our deadline the next day. But guess what? Somehow, the union found out that my friend had flipped the breaker switch and filed a formal complaint against him, and it was messy. Very messy. And very petty of the union to do that.

Unions are good to an extent. But they have gone way overboard.
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I'll start with the petty issues first just to get them out of the way. The "flipping the breaker switch" issue that you mention was part of a negotiated bargaining agreement. I agree that it sounds petty but your management agreed to that rule. The union has to take action to protect those agreements or they become null and void. If you don't like the rules, then get them changed. Oh, and just curious, did you guys do something that flipped the switch? Also bringing food and drinks into a lab is pretty stupid too. I won't go into why, you already know this.

I worked as an engineer in the electronics industry too. For me, most weeks I worked about 50 hours; 40 hour work weeks were the minimum. The work was interesting and for the most part I enjoyed my job and didn't give much attention to my hours. That's the way it should be for an engineer assuming the compensation is good, which it was. Our company was never unionized, it payed better than most and the benefits were above average, including pensions for all workers. That started to change about 12 years ago and since then the work environment became pretty hostile to most everybody. I left the company on my own terms a few years ago and am in fine shape but I can't say the same for thousands of others. Without union protection, I saw some unnecessary things happen to experienced and hard working technicians and operators. They were let go and replaced with contract workers, often those contractors were the same ones that had been let go. Unemployment at the time was high and there were no other jobs available. Those that came back under contract did so with losses in health benefits, wages, holiday and vacation, motivation, company loyalty and the desire for the company to succeed. In some cases, they were temporarily hired back so they could train foreign workers that were going to do their jobs offshore. Projected cost savings never really materialized, quality dropped while the horizon time for product introductions became longer and less reliable. Upper management at that time made out with great bonuses but the company itself is in a death spiral. They have since been fired but the damage was done.

A union can't prevent bad management or bad decisions by the board of directors. The company is in a death spiral and in this case, nobody can blame it on the union because there never was one. Not saying that a union would have prevented the layoffs and declining revenues that my company experienced -- again, poor decisions at the top are to blame. Unions would have made life better for the ones that are still working there and at least would have held the very well trained workforce together. Unions are neither the answer to the issues affecting the US economy nor are they the cause. Unions make life better for the worker on the lines and in the field, they constrain management from taking easy cost cutting measures that don't actually help a company in the long run -- these same measures are gradually hollowing out our economy.

I don't see our perspective as being that different except that my view was from a non-union shop. I think that on balance a union might have helped soften the decline that I saw happen. If not, at least it would have kept pay and benefits secure for the ones that remained.
 
UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
Sure there is.

A Nobel peace Prize winner oversees the world's largest prison population, calls murdering children by drone "collateral damage, when it's really murder and wants to keep putting people in jail for a plant.
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1200 dead is comparable to half a million dead?
 
bu$hleaguer

bu$hleaguer

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Unions are a joke and one of the reasons our blue collar jobs have been shipped overseas. No reason to pay so much for so little.
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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Red1966 said:
No, it's called lying. You made a totaly unsupported accusation proving that it is you that is the hypocrite and your "two steps" are really just more lies. Congress doesn't pay for their ACA, so your "correction" was also another lie.
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You need to address this schuylaar or forever be defeated....You do this to me too,...run forest, run.....
 
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