Top Pheno % Rate

[GUN1]

To answer the OP question..

It totally depends.. I would say a proper pheno hunt, on average, would include 100 females.

I found a pretty stellar plant among 65ish females recently.. quality, yield, balanced, mold resistant, everything. It hits on all cylinders.

100 females of what ? F1? F2? F3? unless you understand genetics your just flailing about.

 

[TriPurple]

Don't flail

 

[TriPurple]

I think the growing environment is more important than pheno type. I have popped about 100 seeds over the years, of over 10 strains. Of all those strains, they all seemed to grow the same. Good pheno's or bad? I dont know, but I do know I have no had multiple pheno's within the same packs. I really believe that people screw up their own grows more than get multiple pheno's per pack.

Also, a good grower can takes someones worst "pheno" and turn it into something. Dont put so much stock in pheno's. While there is something to it, I firmly believe people make it out to be more than it really is.

No no no we've all seen growers on this site that carefully & meticulously document grows that have show different phenos. in the same pack. If you think the people on this site are screwing up their grows, well you just haven't been paying attention. These people are serious.

 

[GUN1]

Even the most inbred line will have polygenic difference but it will usualy impact minimally on the finished product. Identify those traits and lock them in and the end product will be a win.

 

[doz]

I never stated that better pheno's do not exist, simply stating that I believe for the majority of growers, they turn it into something its not. I have pheno hunted the same strain, and found what I have liked before but at the same time, it was more preference than finished product quality. I have never encountered a pheno personally that was so horrific that it was just trash like so many people seem to claim.

I completely understand there are different phenotypes. What I do not believe is the amount of people who have wacked out phenos in every breeder pack (unless you are going with a garbage breeder). So many times you see people posting about how they have 3-4 phenos in a 10 pack of seeds. Im sorry, but I dont believe this to be the "norm". I understand fully that with crossbred plants, there is always the chance to get different characteristics but the way people on forums make it out to be is just ridiculous.

I also believe that just because you do not have the "preferred" pheno of a certain strain does not mean it cannot produce high quality green. Maybe it grows too tall, or too bushy for your liking but it does not make it a "bad" pheno. That is all I am saying. I have encountered different phenos of the same strain, but never in the same "pack" that I have ordered. But I also do not purchase the cheapest seeds available from random breeders.

Also, I have seen small differences in plants (size) within the same packs. Different phenos? Whatever you want to call it. Some plants responded better to transplanting than others. Is that a different phenotype in your eyes? In the end, while they may not have all been exactly the same height, they all produced the same quality.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I never stated that better pheno's do not exist, simply stating that I believe for the majority of growers, they turn it into something its not. I have pheno hunted the same strain, and found what I have liked before but at the same time, it was more preference than finished product quality. I have never encountered a pheno personally that was so horrific that it was just trash like so many people seem to claim.

I completely understand there are different phenotypes. What I do not believe is the amount of people who have wacked out phenos in every breeder pack (unless you are going with a garbage breeder). So many times you see people posting about how they have 3-4 phenos in a 10 pack of seeds. Im sorry, but I dont believe this to be the "norm". I understand fully that with crossbred plants, there is always the chance to get different characteristics but the way people on forums make it out to be is just ridiculous.

I also believe that just because you do not have the "preferred" pheno of a certain strain does not mean it cannot produce high quality green. Maybe it grows too tall, or too bushy for your liking but it does not make it a "bad" pheno. That is all I am saying. I have encountered different phenos of the same strain, but never in the same "pack" that I have ordered. But I also do not purchase the cheapest seeds available from random breeders.

Also, I have seen small differences in plants (size) within the same packs. Different phenos? Whatever you want to call it. Some plants responded better to transplanting than others. Is that a different phenotype in your eyes? In the end, while they may not have all been exactly the same height, they all produced the same quality.

I don't think you've grown out very many seeds then. It's the exception to the rule when I pop a pack of seeds and see complete uniformity. Almost every pack, from every breeder, will have at least 2-3 distinctly different phenotypes. Even the breeders admit as much in some of the strain descriptions.

 

[doz]

I have utilized about 10 different breeder packs of 5-10 seeds over the years. Maybe I am just that lucky? Doubt it.... Again, I am not saying that different pheno-types do not exist. Seems that is all anyone is reading from my posts. What I am saying is, I dont believe it to be normal to receive 2-3 phenos per pack of 10 seeds. If you are getting 2-3 phenos everytime, you are either doing something wrong OR you are buying trash seeds. I know breeders admit they can vary in pheno's but every package, everytime? Common now......

 

[st0wandgrow]

I have utilized about 10 different breeder packs of 5-10 seeds over the years. Maybe I am just that lucky? Doubt it.... Again, I am not saying that different pheno-types do not exist. Seems that is all anyone is reading from my posts. What I am saying is, I dont believe it to be normal to receive 2-3 phenos per pack of 10 seeds. If you are getting 2-3 phenos everytime, you are either doing something wrong OR you are buying trash seeds. I know breeders admit they can vary in pheno's but every package, everytime? Common now......

Certainly not "every time". Most of the time though. I'd say 75% of the packs I've grown (too many to count) have had at least 2-3 distinctly different phenotypes. These aren't "trash seeds" either, unless you consider Bodhi, Dynasty, Mr Nice, Gage Green, etc to be trash.

The only packs I've popped that were mostly uniform (with only minor variations from plant to plant) in recent memory were Peyote Purple and Female Seeds C-99. I also grew out a cross from a member here (amgprb) where all 4 females were nearly identical. Aside form that, mucho variation. I don't think I'm doing anything wrong either. How on earth could my growing ability make one plant a tall sativa dominant pheno, and the other plant a short Indica dom pheno??

I'd be willing to bet that most RIU members have had similar experiences to me...

 

[Dr. Who]

Certainly not "every time". Most of the time though. I'd say 75% of the packs I've grown (too many to count) have had at least 2-3 distinctly different phenotypes. These aren't "trash seeds" either, unless you consider Bodhi, Dynasty, Mr Nice, Gage Green, etc to be trash.

The only packs I've popped that were mostly uniform (with only minor variations from plant to plant) in recent memory were Peyote Purple and Female Seeds C-99. I also grew out a cross from a member here (amgprb) where all 4 females were nearly identical. Aside form that, mucho variation. I don't think I'm doing anything wrong either. How on earth could my growing ability make one plant a tall sativa dominant pheno, and the other plant a short Indica dom pheno??

I'd be willing to bet that most RIU members have had similar experiences to me...

Exactly!

Look at my Avatar.....That is a way Sativa pheno of Pineapple express that was 1 plant out of 100 beans popped,,,,The way it grows and the plants structure it's self are way beyond the others.....It runs weeks beyond the others.....There were 3 distinct pheno's in those beans that had basic difference's.....This particular one was (and still is) leaps and bounds diff...I spoke with people at G13 and was assured it IS a PE pheno (thought it might be a "stray" bean)! They have seen it too.....they said it's rare!.....I still run this and have patients that swear by it over the other PE pheno's......Great day time uplifter, with a nice body "tingle".....

Doc

 

[TriPurple]

Exactly!

Look at my Avatar.....That is a way Sativa pheno of Pineapple express that was 1 plant out of 100 beans popped,,,,The way it grows and the plants structure it's self are way beyond the others.....It runs weeks beyond the others.....There were 3 distinct pheno's in those beans that had basic difference's.....This particular one was (and still is) leaps and bounds diff...I spoke with people at G13 and was assured it IS a PE pheno (thought it might be a "stray" bean)! They have seen it too.....they said it's rare!.....I still run this and have patients that swear by it over the other PE pheno's......Great day time uplifter, with a nice body "tingle".....

Doc

Thanks!!!!! That's what I wanted, some idea (from experienced growers) of what the chances are. I always clone..... hoping for that "rare" pheno.