MH all the way

[bravedave]

No one is putting mh down Dave I'm simply saying frost will be produced regardless what light is used. Like I said my girls get frosty day 14 using hps.. People don't need to sacrifice yield for frost I get both by running strong high thc strains... I switched to organics because a buddy of mine gave me the whole earth juice line.. I started feeding to late depleted my nutrients and didn't take the breaking down process into consideration.. I'm human Dave .



I use hps and I get extremely frosty buds.. I don't know what your talking about.. I'm sorry you have to sacrifice yield for potency and vice versa.. Maybe try a decent yielding high thc strain..

Nobody accused you of putting down MH. Victimhood does not apply. Nor has anyone said that HPS doesn't produce frost. Its not the first time though where you frame an argument as someone else's and then argue against it in an attempt to put them in a bad light ( so to speak) That too is not only because you are human, but because you are a human who also is an asshole. I see you are already twatwaffling your way around your initial "my way or the highway" bluster. What were the odds. That said I do appreciate the fact that your constant trolling of me has subsided into torrette syndrome type outbursts like this one.

 

[bravedave]

Im going to agree. Usually after pre-stretch my flowers already have fake looking glitter over the tops wether i use my hortilux blue or shps. Im not looking for an argument though as ive only had a couple harvest with the hortilux blue, im here to see what else can be done. I do like how my HPS nugs always ends up like rocks after they dry.

This thread began pretty much because I witnessed the opposite. I had run straight MH for a couple harvests and then switched to an HPS for flower and my early trichome development was no where near that of my MH grows. By virtue of the information here I plan to pull the HPS back out and augment it with blues/UV, T5s.
Edit: Wanted to add that with my HPS grow I was not looking for or expecting a trich difference...when I noticed it.

 

[MrStickyScissors]

Nobody accused you of putting down MH. Victimhood does not apply. Nor has anyone said that HPS doesn't produce frost. Its not the first time though where you frame an argument as someone else's and then argue against it in an attempt to put them in a bad light ( so to speak) That too is not only because you are human, but because you are a human who also is an asshole. I see you are already twatwaffling your way around your initial "my way or the highway" bluster. What were the odds. That said I do appreciate the fact that your constant trolling of me has subsided into torrette syndrome type outbursts like this one.

lol not only because your human but because you happen to be a human and an asshole lol I'm guilty of that too. That's real shit tho

 

[MrStickyScissors]

Theres more to life than frost. Like weight, big fat bitches.

 

[bravedave]

Theres more to life than frost. Like weight, big fat bitches.

I'm shooting for both, but only growing for two, quality is the goal. I always have more than I need.

 

[MrStickyScissors]

How much bigger would you let these get on 7 gallon pots?

 

[mr sunshine]

Nobody accused you of putting down MH. Victimhood does not apply. Nor has anyone said that HPS doesn't produce frost. Its not the first time though where you frame an argument as someone else's and then argue against it in an attempt to put them in a bad light ( so to speak) That too is not only because you are human, but because you are a human who also is an asshole. I see you are already twatwaffling your way around your initial "my way or the highway" bluster. What were the odds. That said I do appreciate the fact that your constant trolling of me has subsided into torrette syndrome type outbursts like this one.

What are you talking about Dave? I'm not trolling you , you're just sensitive.





Like a woman.

 

[SPLFreak808]

This thread began pretty much because I witnessed the opposite. I had run straight MH for a couple harvests and then switched to an HPS for flower and my early trichome development was no where near that of my MH grows. By virtue of the information here I plan to pull the HPS back out and augment it with blues/UV, T5s.
Edit: Wanted to add that with my HPS grow I was not looking for or expecting a trich difference...when I noticed it.

Ah yes, i have been following. Heck i still have my old ass 400LE's laying around somewhere. If you can tell a difference in smoke after harvest, then i respect your hard work and findings. Whats funny for me is i actually started with cmh/mh and ended up with HPS. If possible, i wouldnt mind to look at other plants grown under MH/CMH vs a sister clone grown under an HPS with the same soil,pot size and nutes. Both plants must have pics taken under the same exact bulb for observation purposes both bulbs should or should not have a glass hood for observation purposes. Its a tricky comparison with some strains and definetly not worth the yield cut and extra electricity IMO with strains like (blue dream) ect. But hey nothing wrong with trying to maximize quality, we may or may not learn something here and i wish you the best of luck!

 

[MrStickyScissors]

Can't wait to get this gurilla glue 4 crackalackin.

 

[bravedave]

What are you talking about Dave? I'm not trolling you , you're just sensitive.
Like a woman.

Lol. I imagine you knowing less about women than you know about weed. Fortunately, your customers know even less about weed.
But lets go back to another point you failed to comprehend, probably because of your own sensitivities and embarrassment. I brought up your rather pathetic organic attempt not to ridicule but to point out how people make choices in hopes of improving their grows. Free nutes or not, you are not going to change your method without a hope for improvement. Your change was by far more a shot in the dark (so to speak) than my light modification yet here you are running your mouth.

 

[bravedave]

Ah yes, i have been following. Heck i still have my old ass 400LE's laying around somewhere. If you can tell a difference in smoke after harvest, then i respect your hard work and findings. Whats funny for me is i actually started with cmh/mh and ended up with HPS. If possible, i wouldnt mind to look at other plants grown under MH/CMH vs a sister clone grown under an HPS with the same soil,pot size and nutes. Both plants must have pics taken under the same exact bulb for observation purposes both bulbs should or should not have a glass hood for observation purposes. Its a tricky comparison with some strains and definetly not worth the yield cut and extra electricity IMO with strains like (blue dream) ect. But hey nothing wrong with trying to maximize quality, we may or may not learn something here and i wish you the best of luck!

In a perfect world, yes. My noticing less trich development on my HPS run was not during a test for trich development. In the sense that most important discoveries happen by chance, that adds some legitimacy. The difference, at least with my strain (classic Bubblegum Kush that's been being cloned for over 20 years) was obvious and I did not like it. So who am I to believe? My own eyes or what a little yellow flying monkey tries to brow beat people with?
Most the other variables you mention were close albeit separate grows. (Same strains, same medium, same nutes, same room, same veg light). That said, there were differences that would fail this as a true test (something like you describe) so the testing continues. The only other thing I would add is to suggest you go walk through @RM3 's journal. He certainly seems to dial in trich development in many strains and I believe he would tell you his lights are one of the main keys...if not THE main key. Off to trim....

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

Well.. I'm gonna go tour some commercial gardens.. See what the big boys are using..

 

[ttystikk]

Well.. I'm gonna go tour some commercial gardens.. See what the big boys are using.. View attachment 3497176

They simply bought everything the hydro stores are selling; hook, line, sinker.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

They simply bought everything the hydro stores are selling; hook, line, sinker.

I didn't know how to reply, but yes, this. Just because they are commercial doesn't mean they use the best gear. They are looking for ROI, not connoisseur quality results. Sure they want good results, but not elite results if it will cost them profit margin.

 

[ttystikk]

I didn't know how to reply, but yes, this. Just because they are commercial doesn't mean they use the best gear. They are looking for ROI, not connoisseur quality results. Sure they want good results, but not elite results if it will cost them profit margin.

A good point, but also because scaling what they already knew is how most were designed. The idea of starting from a clean sheet is too risky for any individual startup, so they just go with row after row of what they already know.

This is why I believe so strongly in an emerging suite of technologies that will make it drastically more affordable to grow indoors, even while improving nearly every aspect of it; more efficient, substantially less expensive to operate and in many cases lower upfront cost to buy as well.

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

Its all good.. Its for observation, im not going to jump to conclusions about economy and quality... You have already decided.. Id rather keep an open mind and learn

 

[ttystikk]

Its all good.. Its for observation, im not going to jump to conclusions about economy and quality... You have already decided.. Id rather keep an open mind and learn

I'll tell you how I made my decision; I built a system just like theirs and ran it, and compiled my own data set. I know how it works and what its limitations are. Based on my own hands on experience, I'm confident that even individually, these new technologies will arrive soon and improve how things are grown inside.

On the other hand, if a fella knew how to integrate several of them for maximum mutual benefit, the resulting advances might become the new standard, and the glaringly inefficient ad hoc constructions of guesswork now in use could soon be history.

I like your attitude, I share it.

 

[mr sunshine]

Lol. I imagine you knowing less about women than you know about weed. Fortunately, your customers know even less about weed.
But lets go back to another point you failed to comprehend, probably because of your own sensitivities and embarrassment. I brought up your rather pathetic organic attempt not to ridicule but to point out how people make choices in hopes of improving their grows. Free nutes or not, you are not going to change your method without a hope for improvement. Your change was by far more a shot in the dark (so to speak) than my light modification yet here you are running your mouth.

You're so dam butthurt its unhealthy, you need to get over it princess. Why are you so woman like bro?. If you were a man you wouldn't bring this shit up like a bitch every time you see me. You grew buds without tricomes bro..what did you do? You blamed the light. That's why we're here.. Because you can't accept the fact that you fucked up the grow and it wasn't the light. That's why everyones arguing. Its all because you suck turds out of narrow buttholes. Let's be honest your wife doesn't know shit about good weed. You know even less.



I'm not trying to hurt you Dave . you always think I'm trying to turn people against you . I'm not... Get over yourself fucker.

 

[bravedave]

You're so dam butthurt its unhealthy, you need to get over it princess. Why are you so woman like bro?. If you were a man you wouldn't bring this shit up like a bitch every time you see me. You grew buds without tricomes bro..what did you do? You blamed the light. That's why we're here.. Because you can't accept the fact that you fucked up the grow and it wasn't the light. That's why everyones arguing. Its all because you suck turds out of narrow buttholes. Let's be honest your wife doesn't know shit about good weed. You know even less.



I'm not trying to hurt you Dave . you always think I'm trying to turn people against you . I'm not... Get over yourself fucker.

Little yellow bird, you are a fraud. And the butthurt is obviously projection. Since the first time you denigrated my use of the MH, months ago, and you were bitch-slapped by numerous posters and you backpedaled and crawled away, you have attempted to regain face by doubling down. Its getting old you farcical troll. We get it. You love your status quo. Stay the fuck out of my threads. Matter of fact, stay the fuck out of the newbie forum, you help few and your delivery is caustic.

 

[mr sunshine]

Little yellow bird, you are a fraud. And the butthurt is obviously projection. Since the first time you denigrated my use of the MH, months ago, and you were bitch-slapped by numerous posters and you backpedaled and crawled away, you have attempted to regain face by doubling down. Its getting old you farcical troll. We get it. You love your status quo. Stay the fuck out of my threads. Matter of fact, stay the fuck out of the newbie forum, you help few and your delivery is caustic.

Lmfao...grow up Dave stop acting like a little girl. This thread is all of ours you don't like it put me on ignore little man. Since the beginning I've been telling you, you need better genetics. Here I am AGAIN telling you the same thing. GET BETTER GENETICS SON.