HeatlessBBQ
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who knows about them???
Chakra Energies
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who knows about them???
Alienwidow
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Hippes?
who knows about them???
HeatlessBBQ
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yes but even beyond that.
this is the future. because it has been here FOREVER.
spirituality is alive
a senile fungus
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Alienwidow
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Most guys on this site are meat and potatos hard working blood, sweat, and tears kinda people. They want facts and proof of any theory proposed or theres no reason to listen.
Its like heatless bbq, my bbq runs at 235, chicken three hours, shoulder five hours, sausage an hour and 45 minutes, pork belly five hours. This thread is kinda like like your handle, theres an idea and no backing behind a proposed idea.....
Heisenberg
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There is no good reason to believe chakras exist. There is exactly as much evidence for chakras as there is for flummers, which is a word I just made up. Anyone who tells you they "know" about them in anything other than a historical context is being disingenuous.
thepenofareadywriter
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where is the fire?
HeatlessBBQ
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that is what is wrong with You male energied NOOBS.
Makes Me wonder why You grow pot...
wake the funk up to YOURSELF
HeatlessBBQ
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no where... except the universal soul that binds Us all together
HeatlessBBQ
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watch....as days go by....You will hear the word chakra more and more and then one day you will be all....hmmmmm....wonder what this really is all about and then boom.....you actually wake up
Heisenberg
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Chakras are the supposed focal points for prana, or chi, or various other "life energies". They are appropriated from an Eastern mysticism iteration of the pre-scientific idea of vitality. They main points are known as Sahasrara, Ajna, Vishuddha, Anahata, Manipura, Swadhisthana, and Mulaghara. Depending on which "expert" you talk to, there are various other minor, lesser, and sub-chakras.
It's precisely that I have been exposed to and explored these ideas that I reject them, not because I just need to open my eyes. The idea of chakras is at best inaccurate and at worst dangerous.
It's precisely that I have been exposed to and explored these ideas that I reject them, not because I just need to open my eyes. The idea of chakras is at best inaccurate and at worst dangerous.
Alienwidow
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Read my quote bud. I asked you for proof that you cant provide. And to answer your question i grow pot for a couple old war vets with pst, anxiety, schizophrenia, one woman with cancer, a man with limes disease, a man who lost the use of his legs because of an electrical accident, a woman who has epilepsy, another super old dude and his buddies, myself, and a couple of my friends. I just got done making a batch of butter for a woman who doesnt smoke weed but has cancer and is going through kemo. She lives in a trailer park and cant even give me any money for them because shes broke as shit from paying for all the medications they keep making her buy. I dont grow so i can get totally fucked up and talk about hippy shit all day and drop acid. Im done writing this post because my "male energy" is about to show itself in the form of rage right away.
justugh
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what do u want to know about it
it is coming from Chinese medical practice...also in Tibetan culture ...several others too in a modified form
practical is the medical application (chinese figured out the human body is electrical driven so they invented acupuncture in ways of altering the body currents to fix troubles just like a computer in a car)
then u got the spiritual side (the real kung fu master the real monks all those stories are based of ppl that had mastered using some aspect of it ) the idea that ppl are able to more then they think is old this using a set patterns of sound waves and meditation u can fix/aline all the point and open up to the universe .....to find the still point in the chaos
it is coming from Chinese medical practice...also in Tibetan culture ...several others too in a modified form
practical is the medical application (chinese figured out the human body is electrical driven so they invented acupuncture in ways of altering the body currents to fix troubles just like a computer in a car)
then u got the spiritual side (the real kung fu master the real monks all those stories are based of ppl that had mastered using some aspect of it ) the idea that ppl are able to more then they think is old this using a set patterns of sound waves and meditation u can fix/aline all the point and open up to the universe .....to find the still point in the chaos
Heisenberg
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There have been well over 3000 published studies looking at acupuncture and there is no clear indication that it works as anything other than a placebo. It works no better than giving someone a sugar pill. But that doesn't mean we haven't learned anything from all those studies. We did learn that acupuncture works just as well no matter where you put the needles. You don't have to follow the meridian points or any sort of flow of lifeforce. You can stick them in random places and get the same results. A little over a decade ago someone figured out how to make "sham" needles. They are designed so that neither the practitioner nor the patient can tell if they have been stuck with a needle or not. They are essentially the equivalent of toothpicks covered in paper. To the practitioner it feels like they are depressing a needle, and to the patent it feels like a needle has been inserted. So we were then able to do true double-blinded studies. Since then we've learned that it doesn't matter if you use needles at all. The patients who really were stuck with needles reported the same effects as those who were simply poked with toothpicks.
So, it doesn't matter where you stick the needles and it doesn't matter if you use needles. Sticking needles into specific places is what defines acupuncture. If you can get the same effects with or without acupuncture, then acupuncture itself is quite useless.
And acupuncture uses meridian points, not chakras. Those are two different philosophies that developed at different times and different places. They've only been conflated in recent times by new-agers who can't be bothered to learn the history.
We also don't see evidence of life-energy when we look at monks, gurus or chi masters. What we do see is a collection of parlor tricks. It's very strange that when chi does manifest itself, it seems to only be able to do so in ways that have counterparts in stage magic. Many of the tricks can even be purchased in magic shops.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-industry-of-worthless-acupuncture-studies/
http://journals.lww.com/anesthesia-analgesia/pages/default.aspx
So, it doesn't matter where you stick the needles and it doesn't matter if you use needles. Sticking needles into specific places is what defines acupuncture. If you can get the same effects with or without acupuncture, then acupuncture itself is quite useless.
And acupuncture uses meridian points, not chakras. Those are two different philosophies that developed at different times and different places. They've only been conflated in recent times by new-agers who can't be bothered to learn the history.
We also don't see evidence of life-energy when we look at monks, gurus or chi masters. What we do see is a collection of parlor tricks. It's very strange that when chi does manifest itself, it seems to only be able to do so in ways that have counterparts in stage magic. Many of the tricks can even be purchased in magic shops.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-industry-of-worthless-acupuncture-studies/
http://journals.lww.com/anesthesia-analgesia/pages/default.aspx
New Age United
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I do believe that I have mastered my chi, by mastering Zen, yes I know they are different philosophies Zen has nothing to do with the chi but by quieting my mind I was able to become directly aware of my chi as it is in the body and affecting the mind, I was able to gain control of my chi by surrendering resistance to it, and like a spinning wheel that no longer has force acting upon it eventually both my negative and positive emotions lost momentum and became still. I am a paranoid schizophrenic and trust me it was a matter of survival for this to happen. I respect your opinions heisenberg, do you believe that the chi exists or no? I wanta start a debate damn it the philosophy thread is dead.
Heisenberg
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There isn't much to debate. As I've said, there is no good reason to believe chi exists. That doesn't mean you can't believe in it, it just means you have no good reason to. Plenty of people have used meditation to achieve peace yet not believed in chi at all. While it's fine to use it as a sort of construct in your mind to help you focus, it is irresponsible to tell others that chi is anything more than that. It's the difference between belief and knowledge.
New Age United
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Yes you have a point, what I refer to as chi could really just be emotional energy in my body, I can not be certain myself if it is what is traditionally called chi. I'm going to start a philosophy only thread just in case you are interested heisenberg, I'll post it in a few mins in ss&p.
justugh
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i have had this debate so many times
the idea of Chi and chakras ....is just modify and manipulation of energies our own body makes same idea of bio rhythm feedback (which is alot fun freak out doctors with a little practice )
the first thing u must know is the human body is just a complex bio engine nothing more then that ...at the current lvl most ppl use 4-6% of their minds the best is 8-10% (never heard of anyone breaking the 10% barrier not even einstine)
say what u will i seen some fucked up shit over the years i know the shit works .......i have seen a iron shirt show (bare skin bamboo spears broken on the skin did not pierce but cut fruit perfectly .....blades were sharp and real) .....i seen the 80 year old man kick ass with walking stick (a real old man sawl the upper body ) .
the idea of Chi and chakras ....is just modify and manipulation of energies our own body makes same idea of bio rhythm feedback (which is alot fun freak out doctors with a little practice )
the first thing u must know is the human body is just a complex bio engine nothing more then that ...at the current lvl most ppl use 4-6% of their minds the best is 8-10% (never heard of anyone breaking the 10% barrier not even einstine)
say what u will i seen some fucked up shit over the years i know the shit works .......i have seen a iron shirt show (bare skin bamboo spears broken on the skin did not pierce but cut fruit perfectly .....blades were sharp and real) .....i seen the 80 year old man kick ass with walking stick (a real old man sawl the upper body ) .
New Age United
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The human body is just a complex bioengine nothing more can you please explain t his complex bioengine in layman's terms. I'm pretty sure every part of the human brain is active at certain points to say we only use 10% is just not accurate, can you provide some peer reviewed data to support your assertions.
The old man that taught me my wisdom can fly behind you in an attack and when you turn around he can tap you on the forehead and render you unconscious.
justugh
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ok think about life
oxygen in Co2 out .......food in shit out
it just a bunch of simple bio reaction combined to make a whole great then the parts .....complex all parts working in there own area but together they are able to do more
the whole body is like this the blood flowing in the vein system .....the muscles moving because energy shoots down the nerve system
the brain power study is old data i will admit that i have not hear about anything more since the mid 90s
but no one breaks the 10% if they did they would be the smartest person of all times .....just google the words ( avg person brain power ....most brain capacity ever measured )
humans only use a small faction of there minds most of it lays dormant .....they just made a movie based on that idea Lucy
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2872732/