51 Percent Of All American Workers Make Less Than 30,000 Dollars A Year

Padawanbater2

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Taxes are not unethical, it's how we pay for shit, don't put words in mouth.
I think INCOME tax is counter-productive and unethical the way we use them for social engineering, big difference, learn the difference and you'll be better off for it.

Again, we competed on a level playing field in regards to corporate taxes in the 50's. We no longer do and are feeling the effects of it. It's so simple it shouldn't have to be explained.
Do you have a source to verify this claim?

For future reference, if you make any claims, please, cite the source so I don't have to keep asking you to.
 

Padawanbater2

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"Conclusion

Corporate tax reform is a topic of discussion among policy analysts and policymakers. The proposed options range from broadening the tax base/lowering the rates to moving to a territorial system with low tax rates to outright elimination of the corporate income tax. Given that the corporate income tax serves several important functions, outright elimination of the tax is ill advised. The justification for lowering the corporate tax rate is that it will increase economic growth.

In 2012, corporate profits (before- and after-tax) as a share of national income were at a postwar high. Corporate profits were relatively high throughout the late 1940s and 1950s, and fell throughout the 1960s and 1970s to reach a low in 1982. Since then, corporate profits reversed course and have generally been rising to their current postwar high.

The top statutory corporate tax rate has been falling since the early 1950s. The top corporate tax rate was 52 percent throughout the Eisenhower administration—17 percentage points higher than the current top rate of 35 percent. U.S. GDP grew by almost 4 percent annually in the 1950s compared with a 1.8 percent growth rate in the 2000s. On the surface, it would appear that more robust economic growth is associated with higher corporate tax rates. Further analysis, however, finds no evidence that either the statutory top corporate tax rate or the effective marginal tax rate on capital income is correlated with real GDP growth.".



http://www.epi.org/publication/ib364-corporate-tax-rates-and-economic-growth/

Exactly like I said

No, actually that's not what I was doing. I was using the higher tax rates during the 1950's as evidence that having a higher corporate tax rate does not limit economic growth, like you believe it does. Economic prosperity and higher corporate taxes are not mutually exclusive and the 50's prove it.
 

Harrekin

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False

"During this time there was high worldwide economic growth; Western European and East Asian countries in particular experienced unusually high and sustained growth, together with full employment. Contrary to early predictions, this high growth also included many countries that had been devastated by the war, such as Greece (Greek economic miracle), West Germany (Wirtschaftswunder), France (Trente Glorieuses), Japan (Japanese post-war economic miracle), and Italy (Italian economic miracle)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post–World_War_II_economic_expansion


Do you have a source?

Sure he can, but he can't sell any Microsoft products in the US. An added benefit would be higher competition and less influence from monopolies on markets

Well, where are all those "good paying jobs" now?
What happens to the 95% of computers that currently run on Windows?
 

Darth Vapour

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The sad truth is the Government needs to raise taxes across the board to something like 50 percent tax on a 5 year plan first year 15 percent hike second year 25 percent hike and 4th year remainding 10 percent for total of 50 percent for everyone stop stimulating the economy and man up to debt its everyones responsibility to pay it back suck it up for 5 years with bad times to end up being ahead some in time only way to do it
declare bankruptcy and walk away from this and USA will be no longer USA it will spread like cancer in every corner of USA you will smell death..

Here is a better idea put all assets made in the marijuana industry and put it into the debt let the stoners pave the way to real debt freedom
 

Darth Vapour

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shit think about it 573 million made in pot sales take 1/2 of that and pay off debt in how long once your debt free holy fuck like will be good that dollar will in fact buy you something ,, houses will be with in owning etc
 

NLXSK1

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I don't understand why people can't just admit the current economic situation in America is a mess and very far from recovery

Supply side economics works when there is demand. Right now, that's the problem, very low demand because people can't afford to buy anything. We need to shift economic policy to focus on stimulating demand, otherwise we're in for a much longer recession that could very well turn into a depression.
This is what Barak Obama said before he dumped 2 trillion dollars into the economy with no effect. How many more trillions do you want to try before admitting it doesnt work? Oh right, it isnt your money so why do you care how much right?
 

Not GOP

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This is what Barak Obama said before he dumped 2 trillion dollars into the economy with no effect. How many more trillions do you want to try before admitting it doesnt work? Oh right, it isnt your money so why do you care how much right?
I'd say about 6 trillion more. Once the national debt hits 25 trillion, we'll be in hot water
 

Padawanbater2

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This is what Barak Obama said before he dumped 2 trillion dollars into the economy with no effect. How many more trillions do you want to try before admitting it doesnt work? Oh right, it isnt your money so why do you care how much right?
Show me a source for this claim
 

Padawanbater2

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"In January 2001, CBO’s baseline projections showed a cumulative surplus of $5.6 trillion for
the 2002–2011 period. The actual results have differed from those projections because of
subsequent policy changes, economic developments that differed from CBO’s forecast, and
other factors. As a result, the federal government ran deficits from 2002 through 2011. The
cumulative deficit over the 10-year period amounted to $6.1 trillion—a swing of $11.7 trillion
from the January 2001 projections." -Congressional Budget Office

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/41463

"In June 2012, the Congressional Budget Office summarized the cause of change between its January 2001 estimate of a $5.6 trillion cumulative surplus between 2002 and 2011 and the actual $6.1 trillion cumulative deficit that occurred, an unfavorable "turnaround" or debt increase of $11.7 trillion. Tax cuts and slower-than-expected growth reduced revenues by $6.1 trillion and spending was $5.6 trillion higher. Of this total, the CBO attributes 72% to legislated tax cuts and spending increases and 27% to economic and technical factors. Of the latter, 56% occurred from 2009 to 2011.

The difference between the projected and actual debt in 2011, the budget office said, could be attributed largely to:

$3.5 trillion – Economic changes (including lower than expected tax revenues and higher safety net spending due to recession)
$1.6 trillion – Bush Tax Cuts (EGTRRA and JGTRRA), primarily tax cuts but also some smaller spending increases
$1.5 trillion – Increased non-defense discretionary spending
$1.4 trillion – Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
$1.4 trillion – Incremental interest due to higher debt balances
$0.9 trillion – Obama stimulus and tax cuts (ARRA and Tax Act of 2010)

The U.S. budget situation has deteriorated significantly since 2001, when the CBO forecast average annual surpluses of approximately $850 billion from 2009–2012. The average deficit forecast in each of those years as of June 2009 was approximately $1,215 billion. The New York Times analyzed this roughly $2 trillion "swing", separating the causes into four major categories along with their share:

Recessions or the business cycle (37%);
Policies enacted by President Bush (33%);
Policies enacted by President Bush and supported or extended by President Obama (20%); and
New policies from President Obama (10%)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt#2001_vs._2011


The stimulus was $600 billion, the spending gap was $2.9 trillion. You haven't done the math.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
 

Padawanbater2

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$600 billion surplus in 2000 to a $5.6 trillion deficit in 2008, but it's all Omaba's fault...

The fact he cut the deficit more than any other president in American history proves Keynesian economics works
 

Harrekin

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$600 billion surplus in 2000 to a $5.6 trillion deficit in 2008, but it's all Omaba's fault...

The fact he cut the deficit more than any other president in American history proves Keynesian economics works
With ever increasing interest payments on the debt...

Reducing a deficit doesn't mean your not in the shit, it just means you're sinking slower.
 

Padawanbater2

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With ever increasing interest payments on the debt...

Reducing a deficit doesn't mean your not in the shit, it just means you're sinking slower.
Sinking slower is better than sinking faster, right, retard?

Had we been riding that $600 billion dollar surplus that W. fucked up for everyone we wouldn't even be having this conversation
 

Harrekin

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Sinking slower is better than sinking faster, right, retard?

Had we been riding that $6 trillion dollar surplus that W. fucked up for everyone we wouldn't even be having this conversation
So was it Bush or the disaster in the sub-prime housing market?
 

NLXSK1

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The deficit you're referring to came about under president Bush's economic policy, genius

Not exactly something I support
Yeah, as a combined effort to give Barak Obama some control over the economy even before Bush left office. I guess you forgot the part where they split the spending in half. Bush should never have bailed out the banks. He admitted breaking capitalism to save capitalism which is one of the more stupid things he said. However, when the shit hits the fan, the politicians throw out the rules and do whatever suits their best interests the American people be damned...

And the deficits and debt I am referring to have happened long since you and I were born but you dont seem to take anything into account pre-Bush...

You are getting fucked by both sides and screaming how it feels so much better when the Democrats do it...

Maybe in 30 years you will figure it out, maybe not... You are going to be miserable until it happens though.
 
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