NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
But what if the person who owns the toaster is unable to recover it by themselves? What if Bob is lying bleeding on Stan's lawn.If there is clear evidence of a toaster theft, I think the owner of the toaster has the right to recover it. The toaster thief is liable for the level of harm he created to the person(s) he harmed. It comes to down to who initiated the harm...who broke the peaceful neutrality first.
How the toaster gets recovered could happen in a number of ways. This reminds me of a story many years ago. Some neighborhood kids and I built a kids fort in the woods and an adult came and took a piece of plywood from it to use for something or other around his house.
Being kids, most of the gang figured "the authority" , the adult, had spoken and our plywood roof was gone forever. The rest of the story includes me, knocking on the adults door, getting him to confess to the theft. and me recovering the property and then lumping the plywood back to our fort.
I was asking you what you would do in your toaster scenario, because I'm curious.
You did not even give me one way the toaster is returned in this scenario. Stan is not going to just give it back. He claims Bob stole it first. What are you going to do?
The problem is since nobody has any rights above and beyond their own property that nobody has any right to intervene in the issue between Bob & Stan. Nobody has a right to go on Stan's property because that is trespassing and committing further crimes does not resolve an original crime.
You have pointed out that a body of people cannot grant a right that a single person does not have. Therefore, Bob is going to bleed to death on Stan's lawn because nobody has the right to violate Stan's rights.
Once Bob is dead, Stan is going to claim his land as his own since there is no owner and he has no problem appropriating things.
Do you have a lock for your toaster?