Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says

[Red1966]

So if democrats are doing such a shit job and they win in November, what's that say about the party you support?

You're doing exactly what loud mouthed fighters do before the fight, they trash talk their opponent's skills, call them weak or amateur, then when they get their ass beat, they're Johnny on the spot with the excuses...

...just like you will be on Nov. 3rd

Keep that in mind

The winning fighters badmouth their opponent also. Your metaphor is lame.

 

[Red1966]

i was about done with the dumbfuck anyway. i can only deal with so much stupidity and i overindulged

i'm looking into those assc too. now that hillary is scared by the primary results i'm surprised her camp hasn't made them an issue if it is even true. on the other hand i really don't give a fuck if he did either. his plan makes sense and we can't afford more of what's become the norm in partisan politics

She got 394 delegates, Bernie got 42. Why should she worry? The fix is in.

 

[Red1966]

it's called a deficiency judgement and it's in all mortgage contracts.

a judgement is collectable against assets everywhere in the us

you don't just call a bank who loaned you the money in good faith and tell them "i didn't do my due diligence and bought a money pit and i'm not making the payments any more even though i have assets, money etc and am not behind on my payments so my bad buy is your problem" and think they'll just roll over

everyone would do it and the market would collapse over night

Everyone did do it. The market collapsed. Did you miss 2009?

 

[Red1966]

No offense, but I believe you don't know what a free market is. It is one where an unwanted third party doesn't intervene.
Thus, government interference and the unintended consequences which arise from it don't carry the same weight they do now.

In a truly free market, big pharma would lose its government protected price gouging ability, since other people could offer the same or similar product or service.

When supply is not artificially constrained, prices are more difficult to manipulate and usually drop until they hit an equilibrium point with demand.

You failed to consider the impact of a free market phenomenom, the impact of competition and the exit of unwanted and unneeded artificial constraints imposed by an external third party (government) which in the present protects and enables the monopolization of said market.

So....ummmm, yeah....you have no idea what you're talking about.

In a truly free market, big pharma would lose its incentive to spend millions to bring new life saving drugs to market.

 

[Red1966]

Are you seriously equating someone's value with their net worth? Anyone's, let alone someone running for political office?!

Frankly, the fact that Mr Sanders ISN'T loaded is a selling point for me. It says the man can't be corrupted by money.

By your metric, Mitt Romney should be President tomorrow!

Sanders has been on the government dole his entire life. He has been corrupted by money. Money taken from others.

 

[Red1966]

Trump said that? Are you fukin kidding me? Wow

No, he didn't say that. If he did, Dems would show the quote non-stop, wouldn't they? You so easily accept a lie because you want to believe it. We've raised a nation of fools.

 

[Flaming Pie]

That's not what I asked. I asked you to cite where the CBO states that the 29.3 trillion in debt is due solely to Obamacare "and other progressive boondoggles". Are you not able to cite that?

I did cite it. I posted the link to the file download. It is a document you have to pdf download.

 

[Red1966]

it's all about the money with you eh? wanna explain why northern europe's economies, which bernie bases his policies on, work better than the pseudo free enterprise system we have?

you're a smart guy but the $ has you all fucked up

Isn't getting someone elses money what you're all about? Bernie bases his policies on Soviet Russia And Communist Cuba. That is the society he will bring.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Gross federal debt consists of debt held by the public
and debt issued to government accounts (for example,
the Social Security trust funds). The latter type of debt
does not directly affect the economy and has no net
effect on the budget. In CBO’s projections, debt held
by the public increases by $9.8 trillion between the
end of 2016 and the end of 2026, and debt held by
government accounts rises by $0.1 trillion. As a result,
gross federal debt is projected to rise by $10.0 trillion
over that period and to total $29.3 trillion at the end
of 2026. About one-fifth of that sum would be debt
held by government accounts.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/51118-2016-01-BudgetProjections3.xlsx

bottom of this post @see4
I shared the excerpt and cited it.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Isn't getting someone elses money what you're all about? Bernie bases his policies on Soviet Russia And Communist Cuba. That is the society he will bring.

He bases his policies on Norway and Sweeden, you know, two of the happiest places on Earth according to the polls their citizens take

Nice straw man though, if you can't beat em, make up shit I guess

 

[Red1966]

i'd have rather you just answer my fucking questions. i answered yours so i guess you can't point to any republican successes. next question then would be why do you support them?

greece and spain aren't northern europe and not even in the conversation

Sweden is. Talk about trying to cherry pick......

 

[Flaming Pie]

That's not what I asked. I asked you to cite where the CBO states that the 29.3 trillion in debt is due solely to Obamacare "and other progressive boondoggles". Are you not able to cite that?

I was just showing the debt. he is accurate saying that it will be 30 trillion debt and he is accurate that increasing our government size will lead to more spending which will cause the deficit to rise over the next several years too.

We really can't afford the government to expand. It needs to shrink so we can pay off our debt. The interest is gonna kill us. The debt will double in 10 years from interest and increased spending.

 

[Red1966]

Then why did 170 economists endorse his plan?

It's simply another issue he's miles ahead of everyone else in the running on

Because "economists" is a bull-shit "science" and Democrats lie?

 

[Red1966]

He bases his policies on Norway and Sweeden, you know, two of the happiest places on Earth according to the polls their citizens take

Nice straw man though, if you can't beat em, make up shit I guess

Straw man? That's you, thru and thru. Norway and Sweden? You hold up the two whitest places on Earth and call it Utopia.Fukin racist

 

[Padawanbater2]

Because "economists" is a bull-shit "science" and Democrats lie?

Economics*

"I don't like what the academics say so it's a lie!"

: pats head: You'll be OK little guy

Straw man? That's you, thru and thru. Norway and Sweden? You hold up the two whitest places on Earth and call it Utopia.Fukin racist

Explain to me how successful economic policy correlates to nationality, dim bulb

 

[Red1966]

The problem in the economy is based around demand, nobody disagrees with that. In order to stimulate demand, you have to raise wages. When people have more money, they spend it, that stimulates growth in the economy. Currently, there are not enough people throughout society with enough disposable wealth to generate that growth in the economy. Sanders plan shifts the ability for poor and middle class people to stimulate that growth by increasing wages and investing in training and education.

Every other candidate has no intention of reforming the financial institutions so they can't threaten the global economy again or increasing the political power of the poor and middle class or providing universal health care and education to every American.. Trump's policies are borderline fascism with huge increases to the federal government in spending, Cruz is a religious fundamentalist who want's to rollback abortion legislation and eliminate the department of education, Rubio is an establishment clone that can't think past a prepared statement, none of the other republicans are relevant in the contest. Clinton is the definition of an establishment politician, she get's a large percentage of her campaign contributions from big donors, follows whatever public polls say in order to form her positions and has a questionable voting record during her time in the Senate. Real reform comes with a candidate like Sanders, same old shit comes with any of the rest, some are notably worse than others, but all of them will continue the status quo and no real change will take place with any of them as president.

Giving money taken from Paul to Peter doesn't create demand, It just makes Peter better off than he was while making Paul worse off. Raising wages raises prices. "Investng" in education has resulted in a geometric increase in college costs and PhD's flipping burgers.

 

[Red1966]

wtf does dating his daughter mean to you? dinner and a fuckin movie?

it's not all $ with me. you have 30 some employees. i had just under 100 big fucking deal. all you post about is your money. again, big fucking deal. there's people on this forum with more. does that make them better than everyone else? more deserving of homes, food, health care than everyone else?

vast corporate wealth you mean? how much are they taxed while they hide profits off shore?

where are you going to get that vast wealth when the job creators, the consumers and their demand for goods and services that ran this economy have been destroyed economically

where's this vast wealth coming from when all the good jobs have moved offshore. who the fuck are gong to be buying all their goods?

top down economics don't work, haven't worked. time to change the paradigm before we're a fucking 3rd world country

Pretty sure you're unemployed and living in your mother's basement. You claimed expertise in real estate and we found you don't know diddly about it.
Dating is dinner and a movie, or a show, or a picnic, etc.
Sadly, you think "dating" is fucking. Also, the term "If she wasn't my daughter" is lost on you.

 

[Red1966]

Economics*

"I don't like what the academics say so it's a lie!"

: pats head: You'll be OK little guy

Explain to me how successful economic policy correlates to nationality, dim bulb

I was quoting you. Can't see the " "?
Any clown saying what I want to hear is a gospel slinging expert."
Who said it did? Don't demand I prove something I never said.

 

[Red1966]

Haven't seen you around in awhile, maybe I just assumed the avatar was Uncle Buck or something. Anyway, nice to see you!

I'd be interested in your personal opinion about Mr Sanders and his presidential prospects?

Clinton-394 delegates.....Sanders-42 delegates

 

[Padawanbater2]

I was quoting you. Can't see the " "?
Any clown saying what I want to hear is a gospel slinging expert."
Who said it did? Don't demand I prove something I never said.

You are too stupid to hold a conversation with.

Have a good night