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[pnwmystery]

No, they opposed the Communist party, they were the Socialists

AND they opposed the Socialist Democrat party. The Nazis were not Socialist, it's literally common knowledge. They called themselves that, but they were not Socialists.

http://shoqvalue.com/the-nazis-were-leftists-lie

"The basis of the conflation of nazism and socialism is the term "National Socialism," a self description of the Nazis. "National Socialism" includes the word "socialism", but it is just a word. Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936."

http://www.politicususa.com/2012/09/12/hitler-explains-gop-wrong-national-socialism.html

"On 16 November 1928, in his first speech at the Berlin Sportpalast, Hitler told a crowd of ten thousand plus that, “We have to strip the terms ‘Nationalism’ and ‘Socialism’ of their previous meaning. Only that man is a nationalist who stands by his people, and only that man is a socialist who stands up for the rights of his people both internally and externally.”"

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100261121/hitler-wasnt-a-socialist-stop-saying-he-was/

"My colleague Dan Hannan argues that Hitler was a socialist. It's a popular idea among libertarians, often used to shame the opposition – after all the Nazis did call themselves National Socialists. But, then again, Tony Blair once said he was a socialist, too. So labels can be misleading.

That Hitler wasn't a socialist became apparent within weeks of becoming Chancellor of Germany when he started arresting socialists and communists. He did this, claim some, because they were competing brands of socialism. But that doesn't explain why Hitler defined his politics so absolutely as a war on Bolshevism – a pledge that won him the support of the middle-classes, industrialists and many foreign conservatives."

 

[red w. blue]

It's my understanding that years ago there was one Communist party under Marx type rule. That party broke into two. One became the party of armed force, guns on their hips - Russia, China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and N. Vietnam. The other fanction became the communist party using policy as their motivating force and credo - democrats, labor unions and such.

Its more like a HYDRA with thousands of heads. Russia, China and Cuba ect do and have used armed force, others use force in different ways. Like ACLU that uses the law, their mission statement was to clog up the courts. The SPLCs is to create hate between blacks and whites. ACORNs early mission statement was to get everyone they could on welfare and keep them on it until the US was bankrupt or it became a socialist/communist country. They "acorn" used the COMMUNTY REINVESTMENT ACT [jimmy carter signed in 77] to sue banks forcing banks to make subprime loans. This was done off the record by settling and sealing the agreement.[ The first bank that settled was in 79 as best as I remember.] Clinton made it easer to sue in I think in 92 and 94 and chuck schumer more than did his part. [LOOK INTO THE CRA, fannie, fredd and indy Mac]
The US has been in the way of the communist movement when it comes to using armed force so the use of force in other ways.

The soviet unions motto is workers of the world unite. The flag is red with a hammer and sickle the hammer stands for industrial workers and the sickle stands for agricultural workers, other communist countries use the hammer and sickle on their RED FLAG.
SO COMMUNISTS AND UNIONS are mostly synonymous.
So a union forced a business to move and more jobs to leave the US, we can only see this as another WIN for the communists/unions.
Communist/socialist/progressive For me they are the same, just a path to remove our rights/freedoms and to gain POWER. Progressive is the same as socialist the name change is so not to wave a RED FLAG, so to speak.
As for the members of any union I do not characterize them in any way, the same as anyone in a communist country.

 

[red w. blue]

This is one of the most wildly inaccurate and stupid statements I've ever read -- oh wait it's coming from red w. blue, makes sense why it doesn't.

LOL prove something to be inaccurate, the onus is on you.

Then again, reading might be hard for you.

It really is as I am moving, a very large task in deed, time for little else. But I do try to read here a bit.

 

[red w. blue]

AND they opposed the Socialist Democrat party. The Nazis were not Socialist, it's literally common knowledge. They called themselves that, but they were not Socialists.
"The basis of the conflation of nazism and socialism is the term "National Socialism," a self description of the Nazis. "National Socialism" includes the word "socialism", but it is just a word.

Its just a word how could it mean anything. Get over yourself. The word was there because they were SOCIALIST and sure they opposed the socialist democRATS do you think they wanted voting?

Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936."

Yes hitler outlawed other brands of socialism other than his OWN and he killed a few socialists.
By that line of thinking then STALIN sure wouldn't be a COMMUNIST, he killed hundreds times more communists than hitler killed socialists and if they are both put to gather they killed less then half as many communists as MAO. Does that make MAO not a COMMUNIST?

What we can draw from this is they KILL THEIR OWN, AND ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. Be you communist or socialist, and surly not if you are other and like freedom.

 

[pnwmystery]

Its just a word how could it mean anything. Get over yourself. The word was there because they were SOCIALIST and sure they opposed the socialist democRATS do you think they wanted voting?




Yes hitler outlawed other brands of socialism other than his OWN and he killed a few socialists.
By that line of thinking then STALIN sure wouldn't be a COMMUNIST, he killed hundreds times more communists than hitler killed socialists and if they are both put to gather they killed less then half as many communists as MAO. Does that make MAO not a COMMUNIST?

What we can draw from this is they KILL THEIR OWN, AND ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. Be you communist or socialist, and surly not if you are other and like freedom.

You really are thick. When you're saying "Socialist" like a "[Labor] union" or Bernie, you're talking about a political theory that is on the left spectrum of political thought. Hitler himself even said that this was not the socialism that National Socialism was. End of story. And yes, Mao was a Communist because he said he was a Communist and he was on the far left of the political spectrum. Hitler was on the far right, and was a fascist. Communism and socialism are classically, historically, factually, and theoretically against fascism. Good grief.

LOL prove something to be inaccurate, the onus is on you.



It really is as I am moving, a very large task in deed, time for little else. But I do try to read here a bit.

Yeah, I already proved your statement to be wrong. Good try though; the Nazi Party was not a trade or labor union nor socialist in any way shape or form. It was a political party that was fascist.

 

[Padawanbater2]

You really are thick. When you're saying "Socialist" like a "[Labor] union" or Bernie, you're talking about a political theory that is on the left spectrum of political thought. Hitler himself even said that this was not the socialism that National Socialism was. End of story. And yes, Mao was a Communist because he said he was a Communist and he was on the far left of the political spectrum. Hitler was on the far right, and was a fascist. Communism and socialism are classically, historically, factually, and theoretically against fascism. Good grief.



Yeah, I already proved your statement to be wrong. Good try though; the Nazi Party was not a trade or labor union nor socialist in any way shape or form. It was a political party that was fascist.

Then again, look who you're talking to.. A person who thinks labor unions are communists...

There are people on this forum you simply can't reach, and for whatever odd reason, they like to use colors in their names..

 

[red w. blue]

You really are thick. When you're saying "Socialist" like a "[Labor] union" or Bernie, you're talking about a political theory that is on the left spectrum of political thought. Hitler himself even said that this was not the socialism that National Socialism was. End of story. And yes, Mao was a Communist because he said he was a Communist and he was on the far left of the political spectrum. Hitler was on the far right, and was a fascist. Communism and socialism are classically, historically, factually, and theoretically against fascism. Good grief.
Yeah, I already proved your statement to be wrong. Good try though; the Nazi Party was not a trade or labor union nor socialist in any way shape or form. It was a political party that was fascist.

You have only proven that you have no PROOF. YOU SILLY LITTLE BOY.
Hitler came to power with the National Socialist Workers Party, NSDAP or the NATZI PARTY and he was a SOCIALIST.
Show proof that I am wrong or shut up.

 

[pnwmystery]

You have only proven that you have no PROOF. YOU SILLY LITTLE BOY.
Hitler came to power with the National Socialist Workers Party, NSDAP or the NATZI PARTY and he was a SOCIALIST.
Show proof that I am wrong or shut up.

You petulant child. If you read back to when I schooled Red you'd see the proof. Are you having a meltdown right now? Socialism is class based political ideology, Nazism is race based political ideology and has little to nothing to do with class struggle. Hitler imprisoned and murdered thousands of communists and socialists.

Anyone, literally anyone, who's actually studied and/or read about Hitler's rise to power knows - for a fact - that he was not a socialist but a political opportunist.

"The government will not protect the economic interests of the German people by the circuitous method of an economic bureaucracy to be organised by the state, but by the utmost furtherance of private initiative and by the recognition of the rights of property." - Hitler to the Reichstag in 1933. Does this sound like socialism? Not-at-fucking-all.

“The great masses of workmen want nothing else than bread and amusement; they have no understanding of idealism; and we can never count on being able to gain any considerable support among them. What we want is a picked number from the new ruling class, who – unlike you – are not troubled with humanitarian feelings, but who are convinced that they have the right to rule as being a superior race, and who will secure and maintain their rule ruthlessly over the broad masses.” - Hitler

“Socialism is in itself a bad word. But it is certainly not to be taken as meaning that industry must be socialised.” - Hitler on National Socialism.

It was the 96-member Social Democratic Party of Germany that was Hitler's main opposition in the Reichstag. The Social Democratic Party of Germany was the only political party that attempted to halt the laws that established him as dictator and brought down the Weimar Republic. Hitler's political ideology was staunchly conservative, and far right which are both in opposition to the Social Democrat Party which was left, and liberal. Hitler outlawed the SDP. Hitler outlawed Communism in Germany, Hitler thought communism, marxism, socialism, was the number one enemy of the German state.

It's a well known FACT that Hitler's political thought was antisemitism, anti-communism, anti-parliamentarianism, anti-socialist.

"In the years 1913 and 1914 I expressed my opinion for the first time in various circles, some of which are now members of the National Socialist Movement, that the problem of how the future of the German nation can be secured is the problem of how Marxism can be exterminated." - Mein Kampf.

Here's more than ample proof. You could always do a little bit of reading on the subject and found out how utterly ignorant you sound as well. Cheers from someone who has actually studied political thought.

 

[red w. blue]

You petulant child. If you read back to when I schooled Red you'd see the proof. Are you having a meltdown right now? Socialism is class based political ideology, Nazism is race based political ideology and has little to nothing to do with class struggle. Hitler imprisoned and murdered thousands of communists and socialists.

Anyone, literally anyone, who's actually studied and/or read about Hitler's rise to power knows - for a fact - that he was not a socialist but a political opportunist.

Has history not shown us that communists and socialists are just POLITICAL OPPORTUNISTS?

 

[Uncle Ben]

There are people on this forum you simply can't reach, and for whatever odd reason, they like to use colors in their names..

...and in their posts.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Only in America do we cheer when the little guy loses to the rich guy. Weird country we got here.

The "little guy" are losers. They earn the title, has nothing to do with the "rich guy"..

What a weird forum we got of have-nots.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Yet Hilary Clinton and Wassermann-Schultz were totaly unable to explain the difference

Yep. They can't and don't handle the tough questions. Dodge ball is their game.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Its more like a HYDRA with thousands of heads. Russia, China and Cuba ect do and have used armed force, others use force in different ways. Like ACLU that uses the law, their mission statement was to clog up the courts. The SPLCs is to create hate between blacks and whites. ACORNs early mission statement was to get everyone they could on welfare and keep them on it until the US was bankrupt or it became a socialist/communist country. They "acorn" used the COMMUNTY REINVESTMENT ACT [jimmy carter signed in 77] to sue banks forcing banks to make subprime loans. This was done off the record by settling and sealing the agreement.[ The first bank that settled was in 79 as best as I remember.] Clinton made it easer to sue in I think in 92 and 94 and chuck schumer more than did his part. [LOOK INTO THE CRA, fannie, fredd and indy Mac]
The US has been in the way of the communist movement when it comes to using armed force so the use of force in other ways.

You got it! The IRS and other branches of the Obama administration use the threat of force, duress, fines, etc. to beat the shit out of the populace, Obamacare is a perfect example. Vie vill make ju comply!

 

[pnwmystery]

Has history not shown us that communists and socialists are just POLITICAL OPPORTUNISTS?

If you're point is: Socialist and Communists can be political opportunists, and if Hitler was a political opportunist, that means Hitler was a socialist, thus all socialists are Nazis I will put this very clearly for you: You have less intelligence than a child.

If you're asking a legitimate question: Insert any political ideology and ask if they've been opportunists.

The fact of the matter is no way you cut it Hitler and Nazi ideology are firmly on the "right" side of the political spectrum and very conservative.

Moreover labor/trade unions and the communist party, or a socialist party are two different things. One being a trade/labor union and the other being a political party. Riddle me this: if they're one and the same, and labor unions are such a big part of the voting block here in the US why are there no Communists or true Socialists in any part of government?

 

[red w. blue]

If you're point is: Socialist

Has history not shown us that communists and socialists are just POLITICAL OPPORTUNISTS?
This is the post you just posted to. Name a country that was taken over by communists or socialists that wasn't taken over by POLITICAL OPPORTUNISTS?

If you wish to debate some other post of mine than post to it so your little brain doesn't get so confused.

 

[Red1966]

AND they opposed the Socialist Democrat party. The Nazis were not Socialist, it's literally common knowledge. They called themselves that, but they were not Socialists.

http://shoqvalue.com/the-nazis-were-leftists-lie

"The basis of the conflation of nazism and socialism is the term "National Socialism," a self description of the Nazis. "National Socialism" includes the word "socialism", but it is just a word. Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936."

http://www.politicususa.com/2012/09/12/hitler-explains-gop-wrong-national-socialism.html

"On 16 November 1928, in his first speech at the Berlin Sportpalast, Hitler told a crowd of ten thousand plus that, “We have to strip the terms ‘Nationalism’ and ‘Socialism’ of their previous meaning. Only that man is a nationalist who stands by his people, and only that man is a socialist who stands up for the rights of his people both internally and externally.”"

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100261121/hitler-wasnt-a-socialist-stop-saying-he-was/

"My colleague Dan Hannan argues that Hitler was a socialist. It's a popular idea among libertarians, often used to shame the opposition – after all the Nazis did call themselves National Socialists. But, then again, Tony Blair once said he was a socialist, too. So labels can be misleading.

That Hitler wasn't a socialist became apparent within weeks of becoming Chancellor of Germany when he started arresting socialists and communists. He did this, claim some, because they were competing brands of socialism. But that doesn't explain why Hitler defined his politics so absolutely as a war on Bolshevism – a pledge that won him the support of the middle-classes, industrialists and many foreign conservatives."

So they called themselves Socialists and did what Socialists always do, i.e. kill off the competition, but weren't Socialists?

 

[Red1966]

Yep. They can't and don't handle the tough questions. Dodge ball is their game.

They can't handle the easy questions, either.

 

[UncleBuck]

They can't handle the easy questions, either.

didn;t you put me on ignore because you got tired of me asking you about statements that you yourself once made and couldn't even defend?

 

[pnwmystery]

So they called themselves Socialists and did what Socialists always do, i.e. kill off the competition, but weren't Socialists?

They called themselves Socialists but said that they were not Socialists, but wanted to "reinvent" "redfine" the word Socialism in a more German, National Socialist way. By the way, that's the keyword. Do you know what a keyword is? National Socialism. National Socialism is different from Socialism, just like Democratic Socialism is different from Socialism. Seriously, my friend's 13 year old kid understands these differences and here you are a grown ass man who can't wrap his head around such a simple concept. It's laughable.

 

[Red1966]

They called themselves Socialists but said that they were not Socialists, but wanted to "reinvent" "redfine" the word Socialism in a more German, National Socialist way. By the way, that's the keyword. Do you know what a keyword is? National Socialism. National Socialism is different from Socialism, just like Democratic Socialism is different from Socialism. Seriously, my friend's 13 year old kid understands these differences and here you are a grown ass man who can't wrap his head around such a simple concept. It's laughable.

You're trying to split a hair and claim it's a different hair. That you look to a 13 year old as an authority is laughable.