Fogdog
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Jeez, you get my drift or you don't. So, the old guy punching the protester in Fayetteville. Self defense? Protecting property? Defending a loved one? Or just sucker punched the guy for no good reason?
Donald Trump’s Rally in Chicago Canceled After Violent Scuffles
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londonfog
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D for the win
Bugeye
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Just making sure you understand that things you say as absolutes, aren't necessarily so. I would not defend anyone throwing sucker punches or first blows. Fucking arrest them all if the resources or evidence allow, assault is still a crime.
But my incredibly simplistic point is don't be surprised if you get fucked up demonstrating amidst an angry political crowd. I no more defend mobs of the Trump or Ferguson or any other variety, but the psychology of the mob mentality is interesting.
Fogdog
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Protesting at a Trump rally requires bravery. We can agree on that. I cannot agree that the Trump mob mentality is inevitable. Nor can I agree that it's perfectly understandable that one of the crowd would sucker punch a protester. Trump's behavior and rhetoric intentionally brings it out.
In my opinion, a rally consisting mainly of African Americans or Muslims or Latinos would never be allowed to form under the same circumstances. Nor would a AA, Muslim or Latino leader be given the same leeway Trump has had. Imagine the reaction if Muslim leader told a crowd Muslim men that he'd pay legal fees if they punched out somebody that threw a tomato at him. Just saying
UncleBuck
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Uncle Ben
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Of course the nutjob is happy. The 1st Amendment only applies to these stupid intolerant bastards.
I think Trump should have gone on and let the wonderful Chicago police bust heads.
Uncle Ben
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What's this "we" shit? They were a bunch of classless cowards who hate freedom of expression, unless it's their own.
Note the pervasive liberal colleges in which these intolerant, juvenile shitheads interrupt a conservative speaker like witness Ann Coulter. Sorry, but everyone has a right to be heard.
Damn, this place is full of crazies!
Jimdamick
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How about Trump condoning assaults on news reporters and protesters at his rallies? What's up with that? Also, you shouldn't even be bringing MLK into this discussion, and I really can't figure out that association. Why not throw Gandi into the mix also (peaceful protest?). Now, if you brought Mussolini or some other fascist, racist cocksucker into the discussion, that I would understand
Uncle Ben
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News reporters? That's a lie.
Such an act is defensive. 2 minutes ago I saw coverage of the melee and he was shown in a speech saying, "if someone is getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them". So, what's up with that?
People are getting tired of the angry Move On and Black Lives matter bullshit. It was the Micheal Moore Move-On losers that initiated the mayhem. What's up with that?
If there had been a gay rally or pro-abortion rally and the usual speeches and it had been disrupted the way the Chicago losers behaved, you'd be all over it calling it "unfair".
Why is everything counter to your twisted view of the world considered "racist cocksucker"? Do you know how petty and juvenile your type sound when you repeat the same old worn out, irrelevant mantras?
Stupid is as stupid speaks......
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Uncle Ben
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As an aside, Chicago like other liberal cities - Baltimore, Detroit, Cinncinnati, St. Lewis is a collection of lawless scumbags, most of them black who are out on the streets shooting each other and good cops. What's the crime rate now in Chicago?
Thank God I live in the Texas Hill Country, fondly named "Gold's Country" by all Texans......earning the reputation for pro business, good schools, high tech, family values, fine wines and dining, and having the Music capital of the world - Austin.
Thank God I live in the Texas Hill Country, fondly named "Gold's Country" by all Texans......earning the reputation for pro business, good schools, high tech, family values, fine wines and dining, and having the Music capital of the world - Austin.
bearkat42
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You may want to actually take a peek at the first amendment. It may not read exactly like you think it does.
bearkat42
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You tell'em fella!
Uncle Ben
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Translation - "I am a libtard free to interpret the 1st Amendment to suit my agenda."
Bugeye
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I know a guy that once told his political supporters to take guns to knife fights and get up in peoples faces and argue with them and vowed to punish his enemies. In his case it did not hurt his political aspirations. 
As for free speech, remember there is a carve out for "fighting words".
As for free speech, remember there is a carve out for "fighting words".
bearkat42
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First amendment only applies to the government. Sorry fella. I can stop your idiot speech whenever I deem it necessary.
Uncle Ben
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Now that's rich..... and very grown up sounding too!
Look kid, hand the keyboard off to your big brother and go to bed.
bearkat42
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The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Supreme Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments.Now that's rich..... and very grown up sounding too!
Look kid, hand the keyboard off to your big brother and go to bed.
The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or constraint by the government. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment
NLXSK1
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Yet last night we saw protests and intolerance. What would MLK say about that? He really was for equality.
NLXSK1
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This is true. The constitution does not protect free speech, it prevents the government from restricting it.
So, those intolerant bastards on the left preventing someone from speaking is not a violation of free speech. Now, lets talk about free assembly. There is a constitutional violation there... So, yes, constitutional liberties were being infringed upon by the left as usual because they are intolerant bastards and too hypocritical to realize that they are.
bearkat42
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Oh look, it's Mr. Moral high ground again. This time he's even invoking the name of the this country's GREATEST American.