Rizlared
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you'll have to excuse my assumption please.
I may have judged you by the standards of others
Is Islamic terror a way of life now for peaceful Europeans? Brussels attack.....
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Rob Roy
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No problem. Things often get conflated here. I know who and what I am, that's most important.
Rizlared
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Right, in answer to your question...
The CIA is multifaceted and doesn't have a single purpose. Also, they're a bit secretive and they don't keep me in the loop. Unreasonable I think.
That said....
(to the best of my knowledge) the CIA started getting involved with regime change in 1953, in Iran. Operation Ajax.
They have been doing it ever since.
In 2006 the US decided it was Syria's turn for regime change. The CIA have been ARMING and funding anyone who opposed Assad.
when brainstorming the consequences of their actions (again..2006 five yrs before civil war broke out) they foresaw that a likely consequence of intervention would be the rise of an Islamic caliphate such as we see today with Isis.
It was decided that it was a price worth paying.
Consider that ^^^
Now, why?
Typically it is so rich people can get richer.
Have a look at the world banks and who owns them. Then when you discover who controls the fed reserve, bank of England etc...have a look at which central banks they don't own.
Interesting list.
Genie energy; Look at their major shareholders (including Rupert Murdoch who owns news channels that are unapologetically pro war...fox news etc) They wanted to drill for oil in the Golan Heights and were denied (by Syria complaining to the UN) as authority to do so had been granted by Isreal...who do not own that land.
Genie energy now have found oil there and Syria was too destabilised to stop them.
This is rushed I'm afraid, as I say, I'm working.
Your taxes have paid for the wars, have created terrorists and killed people...the profit is kept by the corporations.
Similarly Iraq and halliburton.
Hope this makes some sense, feel free to ask questions if it's unclear
The CIA is multifaceted and doesn't have a single purpose. Also, they're a bit secretive and they don't keep me in the loop. Unreasonable I think.
That said....
(to the best of my knowledge) the CIA started getting involved with regime change in 1953, in Iran. Operation Ajax.
They have been doing it ever since.
In 2006 the US decided it was Syria's turn for regime change. The CIA have been ARMING and funding anyone who opposed Assad.
when brainstorming the consequences of their actions (again..2006 five yrs before civil war broke out) they foresaw that a likely consequence of intervention would be the rise of an Islamic caliphate such as we see today with Isis.
It was decided that it was a price worth paying.
Consider that ^^^
Now, why?
Typically it is so rich people can get richer.
Have a look at the world banks and who owns them. Then when you discover who controls the fed reserve, bank of England etc...have a look at which central banks they don't own.
Interesting list.
Genie energy; Look at their major shareholders (including Rupert Murdoch who owns news channels that are unapologetically pro war...fox news etc) They wanted to drill for oil in the Golan Heights and were denied (by Syria complaining to the UN) as authority to do so had been granted by Isreal...who do not own that land.
Genie energy now have found oil there and Syria was too destabilised to stop them.
This is rushed I'm afraid, as I say, I'm working.
Your taxes have paid for the wars, have created terrorists and killed people...the profit is kept by the corporations.
Similarly Iraq and halliburton.
Hope this makes some sense, feel free to ask questions if it's unclear
Rob Roy
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Rizlared
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fair assumption, I've seen nothing to contradict this.
For anyone who may not be aware, don't assume that power are our elected representatives
bearkat42
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Don't mind old benny. He is an old man who just says random shit that he's picked up over the years at various klan rallies he's attended. No one takes him seriously anyway. He's harmless.
UncleBuck
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if that is a fact, then you should be able to find a well-respected, unbiased source which completely demonstrates everything you said to be true.
unfortunately though, what you said is not true. a country with 4 hours of electricity per day and a massive power vacuum is not restored or stabilized.
Padawanbater2
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Unclebaldrick
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It works for Israel. Oh, wait.
Uncle Ben
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Let's connect the dots, shall we?
You need to ask Congress who authorized the invasion (as they should) and then ask the Iraqi people why and how they convicted Hussein AND other key staff for wars against humanity and then hung them.
Fact is, because of Bush's restoration of Iraq's infrastructure and economy and his successful attempt to get the various tribes (Sunni's, Kurds, Shita) to work together - utilities, schools, markets, transportation, etc. were eventually rebuilt, restored and stabilized to a state of normalcy. Obama took over, said "fuck it", withdrew our troops and the whole world is now in a state of chaos.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07677.pdf
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Rob Roy
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Rizlared
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Inaccurate I'm affraid.
The invasion was illegal for a start.
Sadaam Hussein was trained at the school of America's (by the USA) how to take over Iraq by coup...which he did.
As far as the US were concerned he was 'their guy'
He started like a good little puppet should, had a war with Iran because, after their revloution where they kicked out the USAs puppet shah, Iran was on your shitlist.
But then he started misbehaving.
He wouldn't allow US companies unfetted access to all his oil. Bad puppet.
Now Bush senior didn't want rid of him, he wanted him to play ball so they didn't have him killed after the first gulf war. The bush's are all about oil, love the stuff.
Many years of sanctions followed and he was still a V naughty puppet.
Unfortunately for Iraq, as your CIA had trained him, he knew how the CIA would try to depose him. It works like this.
1) Discredit him.
This works in 'democratic' nations where the press are onside such as Britain or the USA.
Ineffectual with dictators.
so on to method
2) Bribe him.
Now this works well in areas like Indonesia and it's the same method Pablo Escobar used so successfully. Offer money or a bullet (it is this method that has bought you so many votes at the UN btw)
He was sitting on an ocean of black gold, no bribing him...bad puppet
3) Assassinate him;
Problem here was they'd trained him so those methods that served America so well in south American countries (Bribe security guard to place bomb on aircraft and then control the 'crash' scene) he was aware of...hence why he handpicked his own security guards and employed body doubles.
IF the CIA managed to bribe a bodyguard, the bodyguard couldn't be certain they were blowing up the correct 'Saddam'
Get that wrong and it's a world of pain for you and your entire family and the end of your bloodline.
You trained him too well. it left one option
War.
Now, research dick cheney & halliburton, have a look who got the first contract once you'd 'stabilised' the country.
You also failed to stabilise the country and needed Iran's help...yes, Iran's... they hold more sway there than you and the Sunny's hate the Shia's so well done for that.
That war was mega expensive...all those deaths and all that money...but your taxes and the lives of others paid for it, private corporations creamed the profit.
...but you carry on blaming Obama for everything if you wish.
p.s your petty internal political charade that is being played out, right vs left, I care not one jot about.
My only agenda is sharing the truth
peace
Grandpapy
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Corps didn't make shit compared to what we have lost.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/world/middleeast/china-reaps-biggest-benefits-of-iraq-oil-boom.html?_r=0
I'm sure China morns the loss of our Veterans while enjoying our tax dollars.
NLXSK1
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Isnt everyone trying to become richer to one degree or another?
Rizlared
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undoubtedly China played the USA at their own game and profited...but so did your private corporations.
138 BILLION in contracts within 8 days of the start of the conflict
Rizlared
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Only because the game is rigged that way.
No point playing by the rules of kerplunk when monopoly is the only game being played
Rizlared
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Debt is intentionally built into the system, the federal reserve is a privately owned institution, as is the bank of England.
They make the rules of the game
Rizlared
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And when 1% of the global population own more than 50% of the global wealth...how much is too much?