Why Has No One Killed George Zimmerman?

[ThickStemz]

The whole thing is the government. The ENTIRE court system is the government. When you are a Juror, you are paid for your service by the government, i.e. you are, for that period of time, an employee of the government. The entire government, like it or not, is ALSO made up of your peers in the same way as a Jury is, only the selection process is different (This is why people who are already government employees are paid their normal salary during Jury duty as opposed to the $50/day + expenses that a previously non-government employee receives while they are working for the government as a Juror). I don't know why I have to explain all this to you guys, are you really too stupid to use google? All this information is, quite literally, at your fingertips, but you just can't be bothered to check. It's fucking pathetic, it almost takes effort to that ignorant.

The jury is randomly drawn from the citizenry, and brought in precisely because they are not part of the government.

To say that the jury is just another form of government is idiotic. It shows a total lack of understanding at the common law origins of Why we used jurys.

I'm not down on you because you don't know that. I'm down on you because you're speaking with authority on something and are totally wrong about it.

 

[Ace Yonder]

The jury is randomly drawn from the citizenry, and brought in precisely because they are not part of the government.

To say that the jury is just another form of government is idiotic. It shows a total lack of understanding at the common law origins of Why we used jurys.

I'm not down on you because you don't know that. I'm down on you because you're speaking with authority on something and are totally wrong about it.

You are totally wrong, the Jury is part of the Court, the Court is part of Government. The Jury is just a tool in the exercise of the law. The Jury is selected randomly in an attempt to grant a fair trial, but is not selected "because they are not part of the government" because government employees are also subject to jury duty and selected and jurors. The jury is a part of government composed of randomly selected (and then not so randomly selected/eliminated via juror selection) people, who after being selected are instructed on how to perform their duty, and then act as agents of the government, performing the duty that is required of them by their government, in which they are an active participant. Without government, there would be no jury because there would be no court. Your obligation to serve is part of your participation in government, whether or not you choose to acknowledge that.

 

[NLXSK1]

If government employees are jurors then non-government employees are jurors...

Without government there would be no internet so the internet is the government = failed logic.

 

[ThickStemz]

You are totally wrong, the Jury is part of the Court, the Court is part of Government. The Jury is just a tool in the exercise of the law. The Jury is selected randomly in an attempt to grant a fair trial, but is not selected "because they are not part of the government" because government employees are also subject to jury duty and selected and jurors. The jury is a part of government composed of randomly selected (and then not so randomly selected/eliminated via juror selection) people, who after being selected are instructed on how to perform their duty, and then act as agents of the government, performing the duty that is required of them by their government, in which they are an active participant. Without government, there would be no jury because there would be no court. Your obligation to serve is part of your participation in government, whether or not you choose to acknowledge that.

This is the dumbest argument I've ever had... And I've had some dumb ones.

Jury is part of government to the extent that we are supposed to have a government of by and for the people.

They are there to serve a roll in a governmental process. Much like when we vote in November we are taking part in a government process.

But also at the court, aside from the judge and prosecutor, clear government entities, are the defense attorney. Is the defense attorney part of the government?

Then there are witnesses. Some give evidence for the state. Some for the defense. Theyre not part of the government.

In a republic, participatory government, taking part in a governmental process isn't being in the government.

 

[Ace Yonder]

But also at the court, aside from the judge and prosecutor, clear government entities, are the defense attorney. Is the defense attorney part of the government?

Ever heard of a Public Defender? And yes, the ROLE of defense attorney, and the fact that you have right to one, is mandated by the government, even if the person acting in that roll is not an employee of the government.

 

[ThickStemz]

Ever heard of a Public Defender? And yes, the ROLL of defense attorney, and the fact that you have right to one, is mandated by the government, even if the person acting in that roll is not an employee of the government.

A jury consists of twelve ordinary citizens who determine the guilt or innocence of someone accused of an offence. The basis for a twelve person jury is that it is a representative cross section of the local community and therefore are more likely to judge in line with generally accepted values of the society. Jurors represent diverse backgrounds and therefore, individual prejudices are likely to be neutralised. Jury service is a very critical element of the justice system in our country and almost every democratic society. Trial by jury ensures that the people are accountable to each other rather than to a government who seeks to persecute people.

The jury is a bulwark against government. They are private citizens who are not connected to the government.

What is so fucked up about our justice system now is that the vast majority of people in prisons are there after a plea, meaning they never get to argue their case before a jury. The government subverts the jury process by having the prosecutor overcharge the case in almost all instances, especially when dealing with poor and indigent defendants. These defendants are presented with a choice of going to trial on charges that carry a very long time in jail, or pleading guilty to a lesser charge where they may only serve a fraction of the time.

IF EVERY DEFENDANT DEMANDED A JURY TRIAL the system would collapse. That is how much a part of government a jury is.

*Drops mic....

 

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[Moldy]

given the general disgust toward this person, I'm not seeing how he hasn't been killed. Either by some random person or a planned assassination.

I really figured he'd be dead by now. I have a cake bought and in the freezer, waiting for the day

He's not worth the bullet. I wouldn't waste one day in jail to off the worthless chicken shit.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Super sleezy of him to sell the gun.

Most people would just write a book.

Brainstorm time!

What should the title of his book be?

 

[NLXSK1]

Super sleezy of him to sell the gun.

Most people would just write a book.

Brainstorm time!

What should the title of his book be?

He doesnt seem smart enough to write a book. The gun was his to sell. He is never going to amount to anything in life. He was not a hero to begin with.

 

[Flaming Pie]

He doesnt seem smart enough to write a book. The gun was his to sell. He is never going to amount to anything in life. He was not a hero to begin with.

Where did he choose to sell it? How did people find out?

 

[NLXSK1]

Where did he choose to sell it? How did people find out?

On the internet on a gun auction site. Through word of mouth/internet.

 

[Flaming Pie]

On the internet on a gun auction site. Through word of mouth/internet.

I would like to see that ad. GOOGLE time!

 

[NLXSK1]

I would like to see that ad. GOOGLE time!

It reportedly sold for $120,000.

 

[UncleBuck]

Owning a slave would not be a positive moral act.

you said if it's legal it's moral.

guess you outwitted yourself there.

no wonder you are making sandwiches at subway.

 

[UncleBuck]

Have you ever looked up at how IQ is distributed across demographics?

awww, look at you dredging up the same white supremacist shit you did when you were here as bignbushy. that's cute.

 

[UncleBuck]

the case should never even have been brought to trial. the only reason is because the thug was black and they made it a big race issue.

thanks for letting me know you are racist. that was simple and easy.

 

[ThickStemz]

you said if it's legal it's moral.

guess you outwitted yourself there.

no wonder you are making sandwiches at subway.

Not exactly. I said if it was legal there could be a case made that it is moral.

And by moral, it can be meant just that it isnt amoral.

 

[UncleBuck]

Not exactly. I said if it was legal there could be a case made that it is moral.

And by moral, it can be meant just that it isnt amoral.

so then make the case that slavery is moral you witless pedo.

 

[NLXSK1]

Not exactly. I said if it was legal there could be a case made that it is moral.

And by moral, it can be meant just that it isnt amoral.

Planned parenthood is allowed to kill babies and sell them for parts. The selling of a used firearm pales in comparison to that...