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Red1966

Red1966

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GreenJoker said:
@srh88 you seem dedicated to finding me something.
I'm on that site now, the south is different from the north, but they can be talked to with a few extra notes.



I might not have to, hopefully I can get the wood grain & not the two tone plastic.
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I thought you meant the barrel was orange.
 
BarnBuster

BarnBuster

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Lock and load: a new handgun for the US Army​

21 March 2016 Dr Gareth Evans
ArmyTechnology.com

The US Army has decided to replace the 9mm Beretta M9, sparking a furious search for the next-generation firearm.

The service life of a military issue handgun is often defined by two things. For an individual weapon, the number of rounds it has fired will eventually take its toll; for an entire model of pistol, however, it is changing times - not just the simple passing of years - that typically forces its retirement.

For the venerable .45 caliber M1911, which had served US forces through every conflict from the First World War to Vietnam and beyond, that moment came in 1985. Now it seems the US Army has decided that the time is right to replace the pistol which succeeded it back then, the 9mm Beretta M9.

Today's requirements​

Experience, principally in Iraq and Afghanistan, has heavily influenced the list of requirements for the new gun. The army's original request for information released back in 2013 called for "potential improvements in handgun performance in the areas of accuracy and dispersion out to 50m, terminal performance, modularity, reliability, and durability in all environments."

In design terms, that comes down to overcoming many of the perceived shortcomings of the M9, such as its lack of an accessory rail to mount alternative aiming systems, large fixed grips and poor sighting in low light. Its open-slide design has come in for criticism too, the exposed barrel potentially risking allowing the ingress of sand and mud into the mechanism, and soldier feedback has also suggested that the gun does not hit hard enough - although this is, of course, a feature of the standard 9x19mm NATO caliber round that it fires, rather than the weapon itself.

Modular handgun system​

The upshot of all of this leaves the army looking for a reliable, hard-hitting pistol that is ergonomically designed with variable grips, can be comfortably fired by shooters of all sizes, and can be customized and accessorized as required.

The XM17 Modular Handgun System (MHS) competition to find it is set to get underway this year and will be worth an expected $580m to the eventual winner. The full list of participants will not be known until after their entries have been formally submitted, but some - including Beretta, Smith and Wesson, Sig Sauer, FN Herstal and Glock - have already declared their interest, and others are expected to follow.

"The XM17 Modular Handgun System (MHS) competition to find it is set to get underway this year and will be worth an expected $580m."

With a lucrative government contract up for grabs and a huge potential sales boost in the wider defense and civilian markets almost certain to follow in its wake, this is shaping up to be a hot contest between some of the world's premier gun-makers and best modern firearm designs.

Beretta APX​

A year ago, Beretta unveiled a range of improvements and upgrades including a modular wrap-around over a thinner base grip, an accessory rail, replaceable sights and a suppressor-threaded barrel to extend the M9's useful life more cheaply than total replacement. Rejected at the end of January 2015 on the basis of a cost-benefit analysis and a perceived inability to meet the new requirements adequately, Beretta is now expected to put a variant of its all-new APX up for consideration.

Designed specifically for military and law enforcement markets and three years in the development, the polymer-framed APX represents a step-change in design from the previous M9 and is the first full size pistol from the company to be striker-fired.


Smith and Wesson M&P​

Smith and Wesson, in partnership with General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems, will be offering a version of its M&P (military and police) polymer-framed, striker-fired model for evaluation. The reputation of the M&P recently gained a notable boost following its performance in Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms tests, which ultimately led to it being adopted, in .40 caliber, as part of an $80m contract.

With a host of safety features, an integrated accessory rail, a modular grip system and a self-cleaning, enclosed-slide design, the M&P is widely tipped as one of the frontrunners in the competition.

Sig Sauer P320​

Sig Sauer products sit in a number of US armed forces' holsters already; the US Coastguard and Department of Homeland Security Office of Immigration and Customs (ICE) use the P229, while the P226 is carried by many Navy SEALs. For the MHS competition, the company will be putting forward one of its P320 models.

This pistol is a variant of the company's P250, using a striker firing mechanism instead of a double-action external hammer. A truly modular design based around a stainless steel frame/fire control unit, the P320 comes with three glass-reinforced polymer grip options, an integral Picatinny mounting rail, interchangeable trigger shoes and a host of built-in safety options.

Glock​

In 1980, the performance of the then-revolutionary 'plastic' Glock in the Austrian Army's competition to replace its ageing Walther P38s surprised the gun industry. Subsequently in service with a range of military and police forces across the world, including the UK, and now in its fourth generation, the Glock 17 is a striker-fired weapon with a unique nylon-polymer frame.

"The then-revolutionary 'plastic' Glock in the Austrian Army's competition to replace its ageing Walther P38s surprised the gun industry".

The company designed the Glock 21 SF, a short framed model to enter the 2005 Joint Combat Pistol trial - an earlier, cancelled programmed to replace the M9 - which featured many of the elements required for the forthcoming MHS competition. Although there has been no official word from Glock about its intended submission, it is likely that the company's entry will draw on this previous experience.

FN Herstal​

The FN Herstal also developed its FNX pistol to meet the requirements of the cancelled Joint Combat Pistol competition, complete with its accessories rail to mount lights or laser sighting aids as required and interchangeable back-straps to customize its grip. Unlike most of the designs expected to contest the MHS trials, the FNX bucks the trend towards strikers retaining an external hammer, and can be fired in both single- and double-action modes.

For traditionalists on the panel its safety mechanism is particularly appealing; based on the M1911 design, it allows the weapon to be carried in condition one - "cocked and locked" with the hammer back and the safety engaged for a fast first shot.

The company has not made a formal announcement to date about its entry, but the FNX looks the most likely contender in the current FNH product range.

Big bullet debate​

The stopping power of its side-arms is a sensitive issue for the US Army. During the Philippine-American War, the limited success of the .38 Long Colt round against drug-hyped Moro tribesmen led to the temporary return of the old .45 Colt caliber M1873 single-action revolver, and ultimately resulted in the adoption of the much-loved M1911 semi- automatic itself.

Despite the standardization of the 9mm as the NATO pistol round, America's love of the 'big bullet' never really went away - as the US Marines' choice of the new Colt M45A1 close quarter battle pistol clearly shows. For the MHS competition, the army is deliberately throwing the net wide, leaving the choice of round up to the manufacturers and allowing them to submit entries in two different calibers if they wish.

With all of the likely candidates chambered for a range of cartridges - including 9mm, .40SW, .357SIG and .45ACP - and recent advice from Pentagon lawyers allowing expanding or fragmenting ammunition to be considered alongside conventional full metal jackets for the new weapon, choosing the M9's eventual successor really will come down to finding the best combination of gun and bullet.

http://www.army-technology.com/features/featurelock-and-load-a-new-handgun-for-the-us-army-4809459/?WT.mc_id=WN_Feat
 
BarnBuster

BarnBuster

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It Will Soon Get Tougher To Create A Firearms Trust​
March 30, 2016 • Rebecca Flewelling

More gun owners are expected to create legal trusts for certain firearms in anticipation of federal regulatory changes coming this summer that will make the registration process more onerous.

NFA gun trusts make it easier for gun owners to share their firearms legally with family members and others and transfer them to heirs without bureaucratic hurdles.

They also offer gun owners peace of mind that they will be able to own certain firearms and pass them down to family members even if gun laws change in the future.

But with heated debates about gun control and escalating sales of firearms, federal laws regulating gun trusts are about to get much tougher.

Current regulation only requires proof that a valid gun trust exists. The new rules, which take effect July 13, will require proof of a gun trust as well as background checks for each “responsible person” of the trust.

Given that all applications submitted before July 13 will be grandfathered to the existing rules, now is the time for gun owners to act quickly to create gun trusts before the rules change.

Gun trusts have become popular in recent years, especially with repeated attempts at legislation to prohibit the possession or sale of certain types of restricted firearms. Similar to a typical revocable trust, a gun trust gives the trustees the authority to use, possess and enjoy the property, and the trustees act as the fiduciaries for the beneficiaries.

Unlike a traditional revocable trust, however, a gun trust holds restricted firearms, and that means it has to comply with state and federal laws.
Gun trusts are used for weapons that are regulated by two federal laws that categorize machine guns, silencers, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, grenades and other firearms as NFA firearms.

NFA weapons have to be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and can be possessed and used only by the registered owner. To transfer a registered firearm, the owner has to get ATF approval and pay up to $200 in transfer taxes for each transfer. The transfer also requires a signed approval from a chief local law enforcement official, which can be tricky in states such as Massachusetts, where officers routinely refuse to sign off on applications.

Until recently, trusts have enjoyed a loophole that exempted trust members from having to submit fingerprints and photographs and obtain approval from a chief local law enforcement officer.

Instead, a gun trust can buy or transfer the firearms under the less restrictive exemptions.

For years, the federal government has been working to close that loophole. In July, federal law will require all “responsible persons” of a gun trust to complete a specific form and undergo a background check, including fingerprints and photographs, with an appropriate chief law enforcement officer.

A “responsible person” is someone who has the power and authority to direct the trust to receive, possess, ship, transport, deliver, transfer or otherwise dispose of a firearm for or on behalf of the trust.

The changes mean the trust’s grantor, the trustees and in some cases the beneficiaries will have to go through background checks and submit photographs and fingerprints when the trust applies to receive a restricted firearm.

The new regulations ensure that the identification and background check requirements apply uniformly to trusts and individuals. A big change, however, removes the requirement that a purchaser obtain a signature from a chief local law enforcement officer. There will be a notice requirement, but no required signature.

The new law also makes it clear that an executor of an estate may possess the firearm of the deceased person without it being considered a transfer.
Gun trusts offer several advantages to individual gun ownership aside from the paperwork. They allow more than one person to legally possess and use the same weapon, assuming those people are legally able to possess a firearm.

Gun trusts help ensure the weapons are passed along responsibly when an owner dies by naming beneficiaries who presumably can be chosen based on their ability to act responsibly, and they smooth the process of moving to another state where there are different gun laws.

Trusts allow for families to maintain and preserve gun collections over several generations without having to pay transfer taxes or risk delays in the transfer process. They also allow NFA firearms to avoid probate, with the ultimate transfer to a beneficiary of the trust being exempt from NFA transfer taxes.

A trust ensures compliance with strict federal and state laws, avoiding inadvertent felony violations, particularly when there is an estate executor who isn’t familiar with restricted gun ownership rules.

Gun trust creation more than doubled in recent years after a flurry of legislative proposals to restrict guns. The ATF approval process on sales of guns can take months.

The ATF estimates that the new requirements will add $29.4 million in annual costs for trusts to submit the information and for the ATF to process it and conduct background checks on the responsible persons. That alone may prompt a rush to create trusts before the deadline.

Rebecca Flewelling is an attorney with the Boston-based law firm of Bowditch & Dewey LLP. She concentrates her practice in estate and trust planning, estate and trust administration, taxation, long-term-care planning and elder law
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Before they took my guns due to this past hospitalization (suicide attempt while days awake on VA-prescribed amphetamine and was removed from my house in cuffs; I spent days awake avoiding nightmares, which has been par for the course since 2011) I had a Colt '91 series 1911, a Sig 556 (I don't give a damn what people say about it, that firing system was the smoothest and most accurate 5.56mm NATO system I have ever fired), and I've owned multiple WASR-10/63s, SKSes, 1 Rock Island Armory 1911 (my first pistol), and an LMT Defender 2000.
 
wascaptain

wascaptain

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The batf gave me a visit and found a problem with my paper work, I did not complete a proper change of address.
I was issued a cease and desist order.
No fine though .

I am a lousy salesman, and haven't sold a firearm since 1982. The batfags are tighten up on the loop holes.
 
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