Mass Shooting at Florida Gay Club

MuyLocoNC

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Bro you are far out of your depth. Get back to debating NRA policy with your dog and making ashtrays out of mud pies. Your "wife" of 25 years could probably use a break from the stench of your clown ass.

"my betters" bro does that mean you think i'm black, or gay or a woman? Your posts carry the crude ignorance of an oaf. By trying to sound intelligent you've revealed a frightened clown.
Your IQ couldn't carry my IQ's jockstrap. "Betters" referred to intellectual and life in general. I have no doubt you're a shining example of liberalism. A degree in liberal arts, the student loans to prove it and a job shelping burritos at the local Taco Bell. Yo Quiero'.
 

Kalonji

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Your IQ couldn't carry my IQ's jockstrap. "Betters" referred to intellectual and life in general. I have no doubt your a shining example of liberalism. A degree in liberal arts, the student loans to prove it and a job shelping burritos at the local Taco Bell. Yo Quiero'.
Bro with every post you drop cringe worthy examples of knuckle dragging idiocy. Give it a rest. The idiot babbling that you consider your signature wit is a sickening reveal of your intellectual poverty.
 

MuyLocoNC

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Bro with every post you drop cringe worthy examples of knuckle dragging idiocy. Give it a rest. The idiot babbling that you consider your signature wit is a sickening reveal of your intellectual poverty.
Giant, relaxed yawn...
 

whitebb2727

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Bro I am quite familiar with a variety of firearms.

My point is that turning the discussion towards the minutiae of firearms categories is a idiot's idea of examining a intractable issue.

"they want all your guns" is the grovelling mantra of half wits.
I'm not worried about anyone taking my guns. That pic was just an example.

If that familiar, use the right terms then and correct people when they don't.

Though I'm not worried about someone taking my guns I'm not going to call someone stupid for being worried about it.

Some in this country would like to see firearms banned.

I take the constitution seriously. Those are our rights and I don't want to see a single one trampled on.
 

Kalonji

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I'm not worried about anyone taking my guns. That pic was just an example.

If that familiar, use the right terms then and correct people when they don't.

Though I'm not worried about someone taking my guns I'm not going to call someone stupid for being worried about it.

Some in this country would like to see firearms banned.

I take the constitution seriously. Those are our rights and I don't want to see a single one trampled on.
The terms being used are only peripherally related to the violence issues.

Acting as if semantics are pivotal to the discussion shows that substantive aspects are being avoided or devalued.

" you take the constitution seriously" you might but grasping the nuances of it's meaning, being facile enough to make interpretive sense of the document is different that "the second amendment" blah blah blah. Very often a clot of oafs repeat idiot, sanctimonious, self serving nonsense as if they have a legit point. They don't. they have the NRA $$$ and fear.
 

whitebb2727

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The terms being used are only peripherally related to the violence issues.

Acting as if semantics are pivotal to the discussion shows that substantive aspects are being avoided or devalued.

" you take the constitution seriously" you might but grasping the nuances of it's meaning, being facile enough to make interpretive sense of the document is different that "the second amendment" blah blah blah. Very often a clot of oafs repeat idiot, sanctimonious, self serving nonsense as if they have a legit point. They don't. they have the NRA $$$ and fear.
I'm not a member of the NRA.

There is nothing to interpret. It states clearly what our rights are and anything further or "interpretation" is a restriction on them.

I actually more than take it seriously. I took an oath to defend them.

Semantics are important.

Wise up. Those semantics are coming from politicians after a tragedy like this.
 

OddBall1st

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"clam it or ram it" did you pick up that bit of hick wit at Jesus summer camp?

Bro how are you qualified to analyze foreign policy decisions? You cant's construct a logical argument, you post childish "huge gun" pics, you sleep in a matchbox but imagine that you're a lord...you're a delusional clown but you know how we should interact globally? lol that's the definition of a joker.

I cant`s construct ??
 

bluntmassa1

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The terms being used are only peripherally related to the violence issues.

Acting as if semantics are pivotal to the discussion shows that substantive aspects are being avoided or devalued.

" you take the constitution seriously" you might but grasping the nuances of it's meaning, being facile enough to make interpretive sense of the document is different that "the second amendment" blah blah blah. Very often a clot of oafs repeat idiot, sanctimonious, self serving nonsense as if they have a legit point. They don't. they have the NRA $$$ and fear.
Fuck the NRA see if you can take my guns. Lol
 

Kalonji

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I'm not a member of the NRA.

There is nothing to interpret. It states clearly what our rights are and anything further or "interpretation" is a restriction on them.

I actually more than take it seriously. I took an oath to defend them.

Semantics are important.

Wise up. Those semantics are coming from politicians after a tragedy like this.
Youre living in an imaginary world. The constitution is interpreted on a daily basis. The world of cogent adults is nothing like the safe B&W existence that you are wishing for.
 

Fogdog

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I can't say that arming the populace for defense of crimes is crazy.

Not too far back in our history everyone was armed. I don't think it would be the issue you claim it to be.

I've often thought that every person needs to take responsibility for protecting themselves, if they don't then they can't ask for police assistance.

I'm sure there would be some mayhem if everyone started carrying.

It would work itself out though. We would be raised around them again and have a more intimate relationship with them. I think people would be more responsible after a period of time.

All of what I've just stated is probably from my up bringing. We lived out in the sticks so far the police and ambulance response times were in hours.

It is not as simple an argument about the gun. Yes, the gun allowed for many people to be killed.

As you say though, a car might have been far worse.

Peolle have been killing each other since we have been around. Technology has made killing easier and more efficient.

I can think of quite a few ways to kill 50 people without a gun. Don't take that out of context.
You and I have gone back and forth on this issue and I think with reasoned arguments from both. We pretty much agree that gun safety begins with following well known guidelines regarding storage and handling. I wish that 30% or 1/3 of all gun owners did not ignore logical guidelines and leave armed firearms within easy reach of children, but they do. When the gun kills a kid or a family member, nothing happens to change the odds the next time, even when laws are in place that would call that child endangerment.

I submit that you have nothing to substantiate this: "It would work itself out though. We would be raised around them again and have a more intimate relationship with them. I think people would be more responsible after a period of time."

About 30% of all homes own a gun. If we scale up the number of gun owners from 30% of all home to let's say 90%, I submit that 1/3 or all gun owners will still not follow safety guidelines. Because you can't fix stupid. This would double or triple the number of kids shot daily by accident. Also gun theft would flood the streets with even more guns. Also, peoples judgement aren't going to improve because, again, stupid, so more people will get shot by poor choices. I'm not making this up. I'm just extrapolating from existing statistics. So, no. Society would not be safer with universal gun ownership.

What you say about rural homes needing guns for protection is absolutely correct. However, I don't live in the sticks and I'll not hesitate to call the police if I am threatened in my home. That has nothing to do with my owning a gun. The fact, provable statistically, remains that the average owner is less safe and I'm not talking about suicide. Not saying people should not own guns but this is one reason I have for not owning a gun. Not saying this is true for everybody either. Just saying the average gun owner is less safe.

Regarding the "people fight and kill and have been since before Home sapiens were around" trope. The US stands out among western first world economies for two things: number of people killed or maimed by guns and lax gun ownership laws. One only need to look north or our border to Canada who has similar culture to ours. Canada's rates of gun violence and accidents are a fraction of ours and they have more stringent gun control laws. So, again, you are wrong in the inevitability of the number of gun deaths in this country because "human nature".

Just to change the subject for the sake of keeping the discussion lively, I'm not fearful of Muslims either.
 
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whitebb2727

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Youre living in an imaginary world. The constitution is interpreted on a daily basis. The world of cogent adults is nothing like the safe B&W existence that you are wishing for.
Whose sock are you by the way? Newbs don't stroll into the politics section.

Interpretation is a slippery slope.

Are you going to say now we don't need guns because we have stores to buy food?

I still hunt and feed my family that way.

Because society and technology advance doesn't mean that our rights are open for interpretation.

Those are garunteed rights not to be infringed.
 

NLXSK1

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You and I have gone back and forth on this issue and I think with reasoned arguments from both. We pretty much agree that gun safety begins with following well known guidelines regarding storage and handling. I wish that 30% or 1/3 of all gun owners did not ignore logical guidelines and leave armed firearms within easy reach of children, but they do. When the gun kills a kid or a family member, nothing happens to change the odds the next time, even when laws are in place that would call that child endangerment.

I submit that you have nothing to substantiate this: "It would work itself out though. We would be raised around them again and have a more intimate relationship with them. I think people would be more responsible after a period of time."

About 30% of all homes own a gun. If we scale up the number of gun owners from 30% of all home to let's say 90%, I submit that 1/3 or all gun owners will still not follow safety guidelines. Because you can't fix stupid. This would double or triple the number of kids shot daily by accident. Also gun theft would flood the streets with even more guns. Also, peoples judgement aren't going to improve because, again, stupid, so more people will get shot by poor choices. I'm not making this up. I'm just extrapolating from existing statistics. So, no. Society would not be safer with universal gun ownership.

What you say about rural homes needing guns for protection is absolutely correct. However, I don't live in the sticks and I'll not hesitate to call the police if I am threatened in my home. That has nothing to do with my owning a gun. The fact, provable statistically, remains that the average owner is less safe and I'm not talking about suicide. Not saying people should not own guns but this is one reason I have for not owning a gun. Not saying this is true for everybody either. Just saying the average gun owner is less safe.

Regarding the "people fight and kill and have been since before Home sapiens were around" trope. The US stands out among western first world economies for two things: number of people killed or maimed by guns and lax gun ownership laws. One only need to look north or our border to Canada who has similar culture to ours. Canada's rates if gun violence and accidents are a fraction of ours and they have more stringent gun control laws. So, again, you are wrong in the inevitability of the number of gun deaths in this country because "human nature".

Just to change the subject for the sake of keeping the discussion lively, I'm not fearful of Muslims either.
Why would 90% of people own guns anyway? This is a specious argument. Gun owners own guns. There would be no further rush to buy guns if the laws were changed except when politiicans threaten to ban things. THANKS OBAMA!!!

Nobody is forcing you to have a weapon, dont force us to give ours up.
 

Fogdog

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Why would 90% of people own guns anyway? This is a specious argument. Gun owners own guns. There would be no further rush to buy guns if the laws were changed except when politiicans threaten to ban things. THANKS OBAMA!!!

Nobody is forcing you to have a weapon, dont force us to give ours up.
the village idiot speaks. As usual, he didn't understand. There is no need to reply.
 

Kalonji

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Whose sock are you by the way? Newbs don't stroll into the politics section.

Interpretation is a slippery slope.

Are you going to say now we don't need guns because we have stores to buy food?

I still hunt and feed my family that way.

Because society and technology advance doesn't mean that our rights are open for interpretation.

Those are garunteed rights not to be infringed.
Ya that's the voice of the paranoid, clueless, culturally and mentally impoverished. It's a voice that is fading, a voice that had merit once upon a time. that time has passed.
 

whitebb2727

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You and I have gone back and forth on this issue and I think with reasoned arguments from both. We pretty much agree that gun safety begins with following well known guidelines regarding storage and handling. I wish that 30% or 1/3 of all gun owners did not ignore logical guidelines and leave armed firearms within easy reach of children, but they do. When the gun kills a kid or a family member, nothing happens to change the odds the next time, even when laws are in place that would call that child endangerment.

I submit that you have nothing to substantiate this: "It would work itself out though. We would be raised around them again and have a more intimate relationship with them. I think people would be more responsible after a period of time."

About 30% of all homes own a gun. If we scale up the number of gun owners from 30% of all home to let's say 90%, I submit that 1/3 or all gun owners will still not follow safety guidelines. Because you can't fix stupid. This would double or triple the number of kids shot daily by accident. Also gun theft would flood the streets with even more guns. Also, peoples judgement aren't going to improve because, again, stupid, so more people will get shot by poor choices. I'm not making this up. I'm just extrapolating from existing statistics. So, no. Society would not be safer with universal gun ownership.

What you say about rural homes needing guns for protection is absolutely correct. However, I don't live in the sticks and I'll not hesitate to call the police if I am threatened in my home. That has nothing to do with my owning a gun. The fact, provable statistically, remains that the average owner is less safe and I'm not talking about suicide. Not saying people should not own guns but this is one reason I have for not owning a gun. Not saying this is true for everybody either. Just saying the average gun owner is less safe.

Regarding the "people fight and kill and have been since before Home sapiens were around" trope. The US stands out among western first world economies for two things: number of people killed or maimed by guns and lax gun ownership laws. One only need to look north or our border to Canada who has similar culture to ours. Canada's rates of gun violence and accidents are a fraction of ours and they have more stringent gun control laws. So, again, you are wrong in the inevitability of the number of gun deaths in this country because "human nature".

Just to change the subject for the sake of keeping the discussion lively, I'm not fearful of Muslims either.
I'm not fearful of muslims either.

Maybe it wouldn't work itself out.

I do agree, as you stated, about not being able to fix stupid. It is a problem and I wish more gun owners were serious about gun safety.
 

Fogdog

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In New York City thousands of people are arrested for committing "gun crimes" Most of these crimes are simply possession of a gun.
Maybe they should know and follow the law. New York's right to maintain a higher standard for gun ownership is well tested in courts. If one must own a gun, do it legally or do it elsewhere.
 
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